"Bipolar" itself is a dodge. It used to be called "Manic-Depressive," and it was shit even then.
The pathologization of human emotion is fucking ridiculous, and I am so fucking tired of it. Happiness and sadness are now illnesses, and nobody has any agency over the things they do. There are no crimes, only "mental illness" and seriously screw all of this stupid shit.
"Having dealt with" a person who has a "condition" that didn't exist before something like 1990, doesn't give you special insight into the particulars of whatever it is that ails that person.
There isn't any such thing as "bipolar." Look at the word. "Bipolar." Two ends. Two ends of what, exactly? It literally means vascillating between two endpoints, and as I already said, those points used to be described as "manic" (positive) and "depressive" (negative). It literally means you got a case of the sometimes-happy-sometime-sads.
This doesn't mean that the person who gets this diagnosis is just fine and should suck it up. It means that this particular way of describing human activity, human dealing with emotion, isn't correct. It's a catch-trap that ends up more conforming-to-standard than it does actually helping people deal with their shit.
Then say that, instead of adhering to a stupid term that means "case of the happy-sads," which is what "bipolar" means.
Except that this doesn't happen, because it means acknowledging that the problem isn't an illness that just blows in from the fucking Western winds, but an irregularity in a person's capacity for emotional regulation, which starts to touch the third rail of psychology, which is that people have the ability to affect their own emotional state and resultant reactions.
And we can't have that. Because why? Because fuck-all.
I have a parallel issue with people who say they "have" something. They "have" depression (more often than not, neuroses). They "have" anxiety. No, "you are [depressed]". It's not an alien inside of you. It's you. Sounds petty, and maybe it is irrelevant, but language is important and that type of language helps take a certain responsibility off of them.
Yes, this, very much this. We've been caught in a disturbing, escalating trend, of trying to capture more and more rather bog-standard human diversity of behavior, as pathology. All of this gender-confusion garbage is a wing of this trend. You've got 16-year-olds talking about their "PTSD" like they did 2 tours in Vietnam. As must happen, the creation of all these "problems" has given rise to the increasingly omnipresent administrative medical State.
the third rail of psychology, which is that people have the ability to affect their own emotional state and resultant reactions.
100%. Psychological diagnosis isn't inherently useless, it just needs to encourage people deal with their shit instead of enabling it by suggesting they're victims without agency.
Society needs to focus on mental health, not mental illness.
I agree with this, except that the term "mental health" has been hopelessly compromised. I don't think it's possible to do what needs to be done--which is to encourage and teach self-directed control over behavior, if not (but hopefully yes) state of mind. "Mental health" is indelibly now something we treat with quacks, social workers, and pills.
It's a real condition, with its own pathology. "Manic-Depressive" was a descriptive name.
Depression goes beyond just sadness.
Mania goes beyond just happiness.
It's not just the 'happy-sads,' as you put it in another post. It's the brain literally burning itself out feeling emotions too intensely-- which is an honest-to-god pathology. You don't treat it and dampen your emotions, and the mood swings get worse and more intense over time, leaving you a gibbering lunatic or a lump of useless melancholy.
It's a mercy you aren't familiar enough with the disorder to know what the hell you're talking about.
The classic mania phase definitely goes beyond happiness.
It borders on psychotic.
Decreased need for sleep for long stretches, endless energy, delusions of grandeur, lots of impulsivity and uncharacteristic risk-taking with promiscuity, drugs, danger, etc.
Nothing you said is rooted in reality. Even your language is gibberish. What is a "real condition?" A condition is a state of being, not something that is capable of being "real" or not. "With its own pathology?" What is that even supposed to mean? ""Manic-Depressive" was a descriptive name." Yeah, those are called words bro. Words describe things. Stunning insight.
"Depression goes beyond just sadness." Okay--to what?Super-sadness? Ultra-sadness? Double-deluxe-extra-hold-the-cheese sadness? This doesn't mean anything. You're still just describing sadness. Same with "Mania goes beyond just happiness." To what? You're still "just" describing some degree of happiness--with activity that we associate with happiness.
You're swirling your arms over a cauldron pretending your mystic incantations are creating insight out of bullshit.
If you like being caught in this escalation, whose slope can't lead anywhere than a tyrannical Pharma-medical bureaucratic regime, then by all means continue. Never learned emotional regulation because the minute you got real sad, your therapist put you on pills? Easy, take another pill. If the oblong one doesn't do the job, maybe a couple triangles will keep you from blowing your brains out for another day.
"Depression goes beyond just sadness." Okay--to what? Super-sadness? Ultra-sadness?
Crippling self-loathing and ennui, resulting in a person preferring sleep/not feeling to being.
For mania, it's grandiosity, lack of inhibition, and risk taking behavior with life-altering consequences.
Not the 'happy-sads.' You glib fuck.
You're swirling your arms over a cauldron pretending your mystic incantations are creating insight out of bullshit.
My man. You're the one peddling bullshit and trying to incant away my mother's diagnosis, and my lived experience and trauma dealing with it. Good fucking luck.
If you like being caught in this escalation...
LIke or dislike doesn't change reality. And yeah. Psychiatry alone can't fix what's really wrong here. The pills don't do shit when the person taking them threatens to go off them to 'punish' the people around her, and it becomes an easter-egg hunt of finding pill stashes. Therapy can work-- if the person is willing to change. If not... welp.
But tell me you don't know shit about mental illness, without telling me you don't know shit about mental illness, why don't you?
Anything used to describe them will become an "problematic" and an insult. It's the people that are disgusting and they simply want some PR nonsense that allows them to get ahead of their reputation.
The blanket nature of the term makes it all the more ripe for abuse since one can claim neurodivergence without specifying how they qualify for the claim.
Sounds like someone is salty that anyone can claim to be a snowflake these days, thus making him not special anymore.
I got into a discussion about this with some moron a few days ago, who took offense at my referring to ADHD, autism and aspergers as mental disorders and told me to stop referring to these things as a form of sickness.
'Neurodivergent' is pure fucking vanity.
It's trying to put a shiny, fashionable paint job over someone's brain having what ultimately amounts to a disability that seriously inhibits or totally destroy their academic, social, and professional life.
The top comment in that thread makes it sound reasonable, yes, there are certain types of disorders that will in fact thrive in specific environments - great, that should be considered when trying to help these people. ...But why does this require labelling them 'neurodivergent'?
We do not label the colourblind as senso-divergent, even though the military has made use of them in spotting camouflaged targets.
The reason why I put this thread up, actually, was because I am actually going to get evaluated for ADHD. Apparently I was able to overcome that shit as a kid because I was smart, but it's actually now starting to fuck with my life. I had a conversation with a good friend of mine about some shit I've been dealing with and he said maybe I should get tested for this stuff because then I can figure out how to work around it.
I looked this term up because the person I'm working with keeps fucking using ""neurodivergent/neurotypical" in her daily vernacular. The problem is we don't have many ADHD experts where I live and it looks like she is the most competent and knowledgeable about the issue.
Like fuck man, I'm a grown ass man. It's perfectly ok to say a "normal" brain vs. an "ADHD brain". It is simple fucking fact that if you have these mental disorders, it's because SHIT IN YOUR BRAIN ISN'T WORKING PROPERLY. It's this same soft ass bullshit leftist academics use to "destigmatize" something when the original term was already descriptive enough.
I'm tempted to ask her to stop using that shit when she talks with me because I take zero offense to being called "not normal". My brain is potentially not normal, it is fact, you don't have to sugar coat that shit to me.
I am actually going to get evaluated for ADHD. Apparently I was able to overcome that shit as a kid because I was smart, but it's actually now starting to fuck with my life.
I'm in a similar situation myself. The only reason I haven't consulted doctors about it is because I distrust them, their theories, and I distrust the treatments often issued for these sorts of things.
I'm tempted to ask her to stop using that shit when she talks with me because I take zero offense to being called "not normal". My brain is potentially not normal, it is fact, you don't have to sugar coat that shit to me.
My hobbies alone stand out as 'not normal'. Tabletop wargaming and scale models, as popular and big business as they may be, are really not normal in their appeal. You know they're not normal the instant you set foot into the specialty stores that cater to them; The people inside are... 'different'. Some more obviously than others, but it's impossible not to notice the great overrepresentation of people who have some one or two patterns of behavior that are strikingly unusual.
We do seem to have a mental health crisis, just not in whatever these guys are smoking but with a constant need for attention and validation.
Social media is definitely a factor in this but I'd argue the constant telling kids their special and unique is what's led to this desire fir you own label.
"Bipolar" itself is a dodge. It used to be called "Manic-Depressive," and it was shit even then.
The pathologization of human emotion is fucking ridiculous, and I am so fucking tired of it. Happiness and sadness are now illnesses, and nobody has any agency over the things they do. There are no crimes, only "mental illness" and seriously screw all of this stupid shit.
"Having dealt with" a person who has a "condition" that didn't exist before something like 1990, doesn't give you special insight into the particulars of whatever it is that ails that person.
There isn't any such thing as "bipolar." Look at the word. "Bipolar." Two ends. Two ends of what, exactly? It literally means vascillating between two endpoints, and as I already said, those points used to be described as "manic" (positive) and "depressive" (negative). It literally means you got a case of the sometimes-happy-sometime-sads.
This doesn't mean that the person who gets this diagnosis is just fine and should suck it up. It means that this particular way of describing human activity, human dealing with emotion, isn't correct. It's a catch-trap that ends up more conforming-to-standard than it does actually helping people deal with their shit.
Then say that, instead of adhering to a stupid term that means "case of the happy-sads," which is what "bipolar" means.
Except that this doesn't happen, because it means acknowledging that the problem isn't an illness that just blows in from the fucking Western winds, but an irregularity in a person's capacity for emotional regulation, which starts to touch the third rail of psychology, which is that people have the ability to affect their own emotional state and resultant reactions.
And we can't have that. Because why? Because fuck-all.
I have a parallel issue with people who say they "have" something. They "have" depression (more often than not, neuroses). They "have" anxiety. No, "you are [depressed]". It's not an alien inside of you. It's you. Sounds petty, and maybe it is irrelevant, but language is important and that type of language helps take a certain responsibility off of them.
Yes, this, very much this. We've been caught in a disturbing, escalating trend, of trying to capture more and more rather bog-standard human diversity of behavior, as pathology. All of this gender-confusion garbage is a wing of this trend. You've got 16-year-olds talking about their "PTSD" like they did 2 tours in Vietnam. As must happen, the creation of all these "problems" has given rise to the increasingly omnipresent administrative medical State.
Some people have a genuine condition and it can be treated with medication. But that's what it is, a condition.
debatable, this is like the depression and SSRI argument.
Bipolar meds generally work, unlike SSRIs. But inevitably the medication lapses and they fly off the handle, so these people are always a risk.
Yeah, and that goes great--often up to the point where they kill themselves.
100%. Psychological diagnosis isn't inherently useless, it just needs to encourage people deal with their shit instead of enabling it by suggesting they're victims without agency.
Society needs to focus on mental health, not mental illness.
I agree with this, except that the term "mental health" has been hopelessly compromised. I don't think it's possible to do what needs to be done--which is to encourage and teach self-directed control over behavior, if not (but hopefully yes) state of mind. "Mental health" is indelibly now something we treat with quacks, social workers, and pills.
And I'm not speaking to you specifically, but to the trend, the zeitgeist of how these issues are packaged.
It's a real condition, with its own pathology. "Manic-Depressive" was a descriptive name.
Depression goes beyond just sadness.
Mania goes beyond just happiness.
It's not just the 'happy-sads,' as you put it in another post. It's the brain literally burning itself out feeling emotions too intensely-- which is an honest-to-god pathology. You don't treat it and dampen your emotions, and the mood swings get worse and more intense over time, leaving you a gibbering lunatic or a lump of useless melancholy.
It's a mercy you aren't familiar enough with the disorder to know what the hell you're talking about.
The classic mania phase definitely goes beyond happiness.
It borders on psychotic.
Decreased need for sleep for long stretches, endless energy, delusions of grandeur, lots of impulsivity and uncharacteristic risk-taking with promiscuity, drugs, danger, etc.
U mad?
Eh. Not really?
Just responding to ignorance.
Yeah ... u mad.
Eh. 2/10.
He replied again. Gonna cop to being mad now.
Nothing you said is rooted in reality. Even your language is gibberish. What is a "real condition?" A condition is a state of being, not something that is capable of being "real" or not. "With its own pathology?" What is that even supposed to mean? ""Manic-Depressive" was a descriptive name." Yeah, those are called words bro. Words describe things. Stunning insight.
"Depression goes beyond just sadness." Okay--to what? Super-sadness? Ultra-sadness? Double-deluxe-extra-hold-the-cheese sadness? This doesn't mean anything. You're still just describing sadness. Same with "Mania goes beyond just happiness." To what? You're still "just" describing some degree of happiness--with activity that we associate with happiness.
You're swirling your arms over a cauldron pretending your mystic incantations are creating insight out of bullshit.
If you like being caught in this escalation, whose slope can't lead anywhere than a tyrannical Pharma-medical bureaucratic regime, then by all means continue. Never learned emotional regulation because the minute you got real sad, your therapist put you on pills? Easy, take another pill. If the oblong one doesn't do the job, maybe a couple triangles will keep you from blowing your brains out for another day.
Cool story bro.Crippling self-loathing and ennui, resulting in a person preferring sleep/not feeling to being.
For mania, it's grandiosity, lack of inhibition, and risk taking behavior with life-altering consequences.
Not the 'happy-sads.' You glib fuck.
My man. You're the one peddling bullshit and trying to incant away my mother's diagnosis, and my lived experience and trauma dealing with it. Good fucking luck.
LIke or dislike doesn't change reality. And yeah. Psychiatry alone can't fix what's really wrong here. The pills don't do shit when the person taking them threatens to go off them to 'punish' the people around her, and it becomes an easter-egg hunt of finding pill stashes. Therapy can work-- if the person is willing to change. If not... welp.
But tell me you don't know shit about mental illness, without telling me you don't know shit about mental illness, why don't you?
Anything used to describe them will become an "problematic" and an insult. It's the people that are disgusting and they simply want some PR nonsense that allows them to get ahead of their reputation.
Shut up and take your soma.
I have seen people online calling themselves "neurospicy". Because you need fucking cutesy nicknames for being crazy.
No worries, the neuro-spicy are all going to get monkeypox in their neuro-group of the new neuro-syphilis, .
Sounds like someone is salty that anyone can claim to be a snowflake these days, thus making him not special anymore.
Same with the new queer/gender spectrum horseshit
I got into a discussion about this with some moron a few days ago, who took offense at my referring to ADHD, autism and aspergers as mental disorders and told me to stop referring to these things as a form of sickness.
'Neurodivergent' is pure fucking vanity.
It's trying to put a shiny, fashionable paint job over someone's brain having what ultimately amounts to a disability that seriously inhibits or totally destroy their academic, social, and professional life.
The top comment in that thread makes it sound reasonable, yes, there are certain types of disorders that will in fact thrive in specific environments - great, that should be considered when trying to help these people. ...But why does this require labelling them 'neurodivergent'?
We do not label the colourblind as senso-divergent, even though the military has made use of them in spotting camouflaged targets.
The reason why I put this thread up, actually, was because I am actually going to get evaluated for ADHD. Apparently I was able to overcome that shit as a kid because I was smart, but it's actually now starting to fuck with my life. I had a conversation with a good friend of mine about some shit I've been dealing with and he said maybe I should get tested for this stuff because then I can figure out how to work around it.
I looked this term up because the person I'm working with keeps fucking using ""neurodivergent/neurotypical" in her daily vernacular. The problem is we don't have many ADHD experts where I live and it looks like she is the most competent and knowledgeable about the issue.
Like fuck man, I'm a grown ass man. It's perfectly ok to say a "normal" brain vs. an "ADHD brain". It is simple fucking fact that if you have these mental disorders, it's because SHIT IN YOUR BRAIN ISN'T WORKING PROPERLY. It's this same soft ass bullshit leftist academics use to "destigmatize" something when the original term was already descriptive enough.
I'm tempted to ask her to stop using that shit when she talks with me because I take zero offense to being called "not normal". My brain is potentially not normal, it is fact, you don't have to sugar coat that shit to me.
I'm in a similar situation myself. The only reason I haven't consulted doctors about it is because I distrust them, their theories, and I distrust the treatments often issued for these sorts of things.
My hobbies alone stand out as 'not normal'. Tabletop wargaming and scale models, as popular and big business as they may be, are really not normal in their appeal. You know they're not normal the instant you set foot into the specialty stores that cater to them; The people inside are... 'different'. Some more obviously than others, but it's impossible not to notice the great overrepresentation of people who have some one or two patterns of behavior that are strikingly unusual.
Yeah, take a look at the speedrunning community. None of those fucks are normal and there's a shitload of mentally ill troons in there.
We do seem to have a mental health crisis, just not in whatever these guys are smoking but with a constant need for attention and validation.
Social media is definitely a factor in this but I'd argue the constant telling kids their special and unique is what's led to this desire fir you own label.
tortured language