20 years ago these same schools were villifying Bush and the Iraq war and that dissent is patriotic.
Not 10 years ago these institutions and intellectuals were teaching that jingoism was bad.
Now they're all practicing it.
You study communist movements and it always starts with the colleges and schools (China, Venezuela, Russia). Worse, it's a world-wide phenomenon infecting all of the western world by some faceless leadership behind the scenes and to what end? A mass culling?
People acting on an ideology, consciously or unconsciously, will make it appear as if there was somebody in charge, but that isn't necessary for the impression. It's much more likely that the world is a chaos of conflicting interests at many different scales and that nobody's in charge. Thinking otherwise sounds way too childishly comforting to me, since then you could solve the problem of evil by chopping the right heads off. Reality is much more dire than that.
I think this is naive and that you could end most of the strife (in Western nations, at least) with the discorporation of...let's say 1,000 heads, tops.
When I said "conflicting interests", I meant many groups of people, some coordinating amongst themselves, making alliances with others, and so on. However, the rope can be pulled in many directions. "Coordination" makes it sound like there's a single general agenda. That is not true, unless you're referring to the devil whose agenda is to render asunder.
Implying NATO expansionism legitimizes the Russian invasion
It's not a question of legitimacy, it's a question of provocation. These people often try to conflate the two, especially with the concept of "victim blaming."
If you provoke someone and they punch you as a result, that doesn't mean that them punching you was necessarily "legitimate," but at the end of the day you still ended up getting punched as a result of your actions.
They go with "so and so should know better" as if that fucking means anything.
Their entire stance on self responsibility and accountability is "None".
You could say that a driver should be watching for pedestrians and other hazards at all times, but you're still fucking DEAD if you decide to walk out in front of a car with that as your guarantee that they won't hit you.
This is also why they wanna rant and rave about "teach men not to rape" as if that isn't an inherent moral in the human psyche. Murder, rape, things like that don't just happen. It's not a cultural faux pas that you "just didn't know about".
It's not that they think men can be taught to not rape, they're just so adamant that they deserve to go to a strangers party and get shit faced wasted and blackout in an alley and not be bothered.
Like, yes, technically you don't deserve anything bad, but bad people don't give a fuck you idiot.
It's not a cultural faux pas that you "just didn't know about".
Whoopsie doopsie, I had a sexual emergency, is that not done here in Austria? Didn't know honest!
This is also why they wanna rant and rave about "teach men not to rape" as if that isn't an inherent moral in the human psyche. Murder, rape, things like that don't just happen. It's not a cultural faux pas that you "just didn't know about".
That's the line they're going with though. And getting off with sentences of just 4 years for it.
But it's also a question of legitimacy - Ukraine isn't Finland or Sweden, who might join NATO out of a grass roots desire to join your mutual defense pact. If Ukraine joins NATO, it will be because American-backed Kievans exercised their rioter's veto to overrule the president's democratic mandate.
Whoever takes some blame, must take all blame. So if the provoker has some share of it by setting up the situation, then they must take all of the blame for it. Which means the attacker is the victim, and the victim is the bad guy.
Calling everything you don't like fascist is just as dumb as when the progressives do it, and it is far less effective because it is simply one of their word for designating enemies. Fascism is peculiar to mid-century Italy and cannot exist outside of that context.
How has accusing the left of being the real fascists/racists/etc been working out for the last 80 years? Has it given you the social prestige from shitlibs that you so desire?
Allowing defunct 20th century ideologies, that were peculiar to a specific time, place and peoples, to haunt the current discourse will forever doom us. Orwell said the word fascism was meaningless by the mid 1930s:
It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else... Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.
Paul Gottfried's Fascism Career Of A Concept is the definitive work on the topic if you actually care to understand it:
Fascists were on the Right by virtue of having opposed the Left in theory and practice, but that was not the same as standing for a past that was already in decline. Fascists were not linked to any one social class and moved back and forth, as in Italy, when they tried to satisfy followers from varied social backgrounds. Finally, fascism was a situational rather than a theoretical movement. Unlike the Marxists, fascists did not claim to be teaching a scientific form of socialism held together by historical and economic laws.
Or you can continue working within the leftist frame by declaring yourself the real antifa and get steam rolled anyways. The shitlibs will never accept you.
Because you are appealing to shitlib sensibilities by framing yourself as the real antifascist, which has been the official regime ideology since the 30s.
So you want to spread the liberal revolution around the world by force? That's the basic premise of neoconservatism, which can be traced back through Trotsky and Napoleon. What does anti-totalitarianism even mean? When has any sphere of society existed outside of politics?
Before the commies throw a temper tantrum here, do not forget that Russia is worse. No dissent and no alternative media. Trudeau is simply inspiring his dictatorial ass on other dictators.
I guess what makes this worse is that we expect expansionism, censorship, authoritarianism from Russia, not from Canada.
Breitbart, millennial post, new york post, daily mail, daily wire, washington examiner and more are still allowed to exist. You will not find any media like those in Russia.
20 years ago these same schools were villifying Bush and the Iraq war and that dissent is patriotic.
Not 10 years ago these institutions and intellectuals were teaching that jingoism was bad.
Now they're all practicing it.
You study communist movements and it always starts with the colleges and schools (China, Venezuela, Russia). Worse, it's a world-wide phenomenon infecting all of the western world by some faceless leadership behind the scenes and to what end? A mass culling?
People acting on an ideology, consciously or unconsciously, will make it appear as if there was somebody in charge, but that isn't necessary for the impression. It's much more likely that the world is a chaos of conflicting interests at many different scales and that nobody's in charge. Thinking otherwise sounds way too childishly comforting to me, since then you could solve the problem of evil by chopping the right heads off. Reality is much more dire than that.
I think this is naive and that you could end most of the strife (in Western nations, at least) with the discorporation of...let's say 1,000 heads, tops.
Wishful thinking.
But you have to admit there's coordination going on.
When I said "conflicting interests", I meant many groups of people, some coordinating amongst themselves, making alliances with others, and so on. However, the rope can be pulled in many directions. "Coordination" makes it sound like there's a single general agenda. That is not true, unless you're referring to the devil whose agenda is to render asunder.
Stand Alone Complex
It's not a question of legitimacy, it's a question of provocation. These people often try to conflate the two, especially with the concept of "victim blaming."
If you provoke someone and they punch you as a result, that doesn't mean that them punching you was necessarily "legitimate," but at the end of the day you still ended up getting punched as a result of your actions.
They go with "so and so should know better" as if that fucking means anything.
Their entire stance on self responsibility and accountability is "None".
You could say that a driver should be watching for pedestrians and other hazards at all times, but you're still fucking DEAD if you decide to walk out in front of a car with that as your guarantee that they won't hit you.
This is also why they wanna rant and rave about "teach men not to rape" as if that isn't an inherent moral in the human psyche. Murder, rape, things like that don't just happen. It's not a cultural faux pas that you "just didn't know about".
It's not that they think men can be taught to not rape, they're just so adamant that they deserve to go to a strangers party and get shit faced wasted and blackout in an alley and not be bothered. Like, yes, technically you don't deserve anything bad, but bad people don't give a fuck you idiot.
Whoopsie doopsie, I had a sexual emergency, is that not done here in Austria? Didn't know honest!
That's the line they're going with though. And getting off with sentences of just 4 years for it.
But it's also a question of legitimacy - Ukraine isn't Finland or Sweden, who might join NATO out of a grass roots desire to join your mutual defense pact. If Ukraine joins NATO, it will be because American-backed Kievans exercised their rioter's veto to overrule the president's democratic mandate.
They exist in a pure black/white world.
Whoever takes some blame, must take all blame. So if the provoker has some share of it by setting up the situation, then they must take all of the blame for it. Which means the attacker is the victim, and the victim is the bad guy.
You are also a Russian shill if you "promote a general mistrust in institutions and elites".
Dammit should have read all the replies being making the same joke.
See the Media calling The Terminal List show with Chris Pratt "alt-right revenge fantasy"...
...For showing that the government and it's associated military industrial complex is evil, corrupt, untrustworthy.
The "we're anti fascist/authoritarian/big government" mask is just shredded at this point.
Terminal List was fucking amazing.
Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks.
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At this point, I wouldn't stop at Ukraine.
Calling everything you don't like fascist is just as dumb as when the progressives do it, and it is far less effective because it is simply one of their word for designating enemies. Fascism is peculiar to mid-century Italy and cannot exist outside of that context.
It is Mussolini's word.
Everything Within the State, Nothing Against the State, Nothing Outside the State.
How has accusing the left of being the real fascists/racists/etc been working out for the last 80 years? Has it given you the social prestige from shitlibs that you so desire?
Allowing defunct 20th century ideologies, that were peculiar to a specific time, place and peoples, to haunt the current discourse will forever doom us. Orwell said the word fascism was meaningless by the mid 1930s:
Paul Gottfried's Fascism Career Of A Concept is the definitive work on the topic if you actually care to understand it:
Or you can continue working within the leftist frame by declaring yourself the real antifa and get steam rolled anyways. The shitlibs will never accept you.
Huh?
Why on earth you would you think I would want 'social prestige' from people I'm calling fascists?
I simply want them hammered into the ground. With air strikes, if possible.
Because you are appealing to shitlib sensibilities by framing yourself as the real antifascist, which has been the official regime ideology since the 30s.
I'm actually just anti-totalitarian. I would glass china tomorrow if it were in my power to do so.
So you want to spread the liberal revolution around the world by force? That's the basic premise of neoconservatism, which can be traced back through Trotsky and Napoleon. What does anti-totalitarianism even mean? When has any sphere of society existed outside of politics?
The liberal government isn't just illegitimate, it's THE ENEMY.
There aren't words that can appropriately convey the evil of the western regime.
It's a race to the bottom in the Anglosphere.
What if it's a general distrust?
Fuck Ukraine
1- NATO should have expanded by pushing Russia away from china and pressuring them to democratize.
2- That IS what NATO is doing right now.
3- Globalist corruption has become a serious issue in the west.
4- The Ukrainian government is using the war as an excuse to conduct a self coup, plus ever heard of the azov battalion.
5- Trudeau and the LPC are globalist conspirators who are driving the nation to tyranny and civil war.
Pro-Russia it is, then.
Is Ukraine actually "fascist" in terms of economic policy or are they just national socialist?
Before the commies throw a temper tantrum here, do not forget that Russia is worse. No dissent and no alternative media. Trudeau is simply inspiring his dictatorial ass on other dictators.
I guess what makes this worse is that we expect expansionism, censorship, authoritarianism from Russia, not from Canada.
Does it look to you like dissent and alternative media is allowed in the West?
Breitbart, millennial post, new york post, daily mail, daily wire, washington examiner and more are still allowed to exist. You will not find any media like those in Russia.