So as we all have seen that the Amazon LOTR based show will go down the usual representation route which wasn't a surprise. I have to admit I foolishly thought they would respect Tolkein's legacy when I first heard of this project but that was foolish. Also when they fired the lore expert that was a major red flag.
I am getting sick and tired of entertainment saying the whole "reflect the modern world" or "reflect modern society" BS. LOTR has always been for anyone who wanted to read it, and it has been translated into many languages. I remember someone once got mad at me for saying that if you need to see yourself represented in everything, then you have a problem because you can go online and look up anything or read a book on a famous female, black, Asian, latino, etc. scientist, doctor, or whatever if that is so important to you. Why shows have to cater to these morons is beyond me.
Of course Wheel of Time suffers from the same problem. In the books they meet people of different races once they go out into the larger world and women in power are all over the books but that isn't enough.
As for lgbt stuff, I have said for years... get your own channel and write your own stories if you insist that lgbt content needs to be in everything. I remember Nerdrotic responded to someone who said that not everything has to have straight people, and he said that is true but not everything needs to have gay people and in a larger point not everything has to have everything in it.
Honestly I wish they would just stop crapping on source material of much better writers than they could ever be. They should start adapting the garbage that wins the Hugo and Nebula awards.
Sorry for the rant, just so tired of it, but thankfully I have mountains of books. They can't take those away.
It has become obvious over the last few years that there are entities whose motivation is to destroy these works of fiction, even to destroy western history. This motivation transcends even profitability.
That’s the implicit function of postmodernism and deconstruction, whether or not people supporting it realize it. Find anything of value and then invert everything that made it of value to mock it.
I’d say imagine if we took great works of other cultures and made everyone white and how would people react to that, but non western/white cultures have almost no great works of that kind across all of them combined. I don’t mean that as a ‘your works suck’ comment, but that they never came to exist. There is no comparable framework to the great books of the western canon, or even the great movies of the west. Outside the west and you’d be hard pressed to call what most cultures consisted of as civilization for most of human history.
It seems demeaning to give black people a fake history. Just make new stories. Most of those new stories probably wouldn’t involve anything about the ‘blackness’ of the characters because that’s the part that has the least value. Or at least the blackness Jews gave them with degenerate media involving them humping each other and shooting at the police and dealing drugs like that’s something to look up to. Denzel has plenty of good movies that really having nothing to do with him being black in that sense. So does Idris Elba. And nobody is trying to remake those with a white lead because there’s no value to that.
There is folklore from every continent but they are too lazy to do anything but take European folklore and race swap. But the thing is, is that if I watch European folklore it’s because I want to see European folklore, not some moronic showrunners woke vision. Same with other cultures. Denzel is one of my all time favorite actors
Well the anti-white hatred has been clear as day for a while. The laziness as well of people who can’t create their own stories. If I want to read the great western thinkers I’ll read them or their stories. Not some bastardized modern day version
yeah, im gonna personally fund an add so we can get representation for the founder of reddit in these soy 'stupid hwite guy' ads
They have folklore but what I’m talking about’s a lot greater than that. Great works of literature. Not just stories, but things like Paradise Lost, Lord of the Rings, the Odyssey and Iliad, Don Quijote, Shakespeare, 1984, Animal Farm, the Lovecraft works, Brave New World, Wizard of Oz, Lord of the Flies, Wrinkle in Time, there’s no end to them. Most of the world has absolutely nothing like that or approaching it. They’re all great works of western literature. You’re supposed to read them and get to know the culture of the characters and the time they were from and connect it with now and how it can all still wonderfully resonate and be of immense value. With film it’s the same thing, from Citizen Kane to Psycho all the way to Disney and all else.
What they’re doing is like writing another Bible but now you have Nigga Jezus and for what? For fucking what? Why not make a white Martin Luther King Jr? Why not remake Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon but it’s all gingers?
They’re taking great works that were about the people that brought them into being and the lives they lived and the concerns they grappled with and recasting them and rewriting them to be about absolute nonsense. If I were growing up now and watching these films I’d fucking avoid any movie with black or female actors because any time you see a film parading them around it’s a shitty desecration of a great work. At least the original LotR films understood just how valued and cherished the books were and did their best to honor at least a fraction of that in their own Hollywood way.
I’ve done some writing and even though I’ve never done any comedy or satire I’m going to attempt a story like the producers where a guy makes a movie about Shaka Zulu and casts a white woman for the role. Since that have that stupid Anne boyelin and Vikings race swaps of historic figures.
But like you said if there is a modern show a major red flag is if the hype the fact that it has a female or black lead. Because you know it’s going to be all about race or sex. Usually if it’s a Hispanic lead then we get the open borders immigration arguments
Haha, hope that turns out!
There’s a show called Euphoria I’m avoiding because it’s trying to sell itself on drugged up children having sex, lead is black, costar appears to be trans…I mean what the fuck could that even be about? And who the fuck is trying to watch people pretending to be underaged children have sex?
I don’t care about someone being gay but we should have pretended to care deeply about that and claimed never to accept it to hold the line on that.
Pedophiles. More than anything they want pedophilia to become mainstream so that they can groom children without fear of punishment.
Since this is a prequel full of POC and the Jackson movies are full of whites, there must have been an ethic cleansing in the meantime. Thanks Amazon for retroactively creating a positive portrayal of the descendants of genociders.
When you realize that all the major media producers have been taken over by scorpions, and it is the scorpion's nature to inject its poison into everything it touches, even if results in the scorpion's demise, you'll stop wasting brain cycles thinking about why they had to mess up yet another existing property. You'll feel a lot less frustration.
Good analogy. I’ll always have the books.
"lol" said the scorpion "lmao"
I have a general rule not to watch or read anything made after 2014. The exception is if someone I trust recommends something. Now when I hear about a new movie or show that seems interesting adapted from a book that I haven’t read I just buy the book/series. What happened with Wheel of Time. I heard Amazon was adapting it and I didn’t trust Amazon so I bought the books and read them.
Seems like you following the same path I am. People ask me if I've seen the latest matrix, spider man, star wars/mandalorian crap etc. and I always say no. LOL
Yea there are so many older books, comic books, and shows to explore
I made an exception with Snyder Cut because I was following up on the Man of Steel saga but otherwise I rarely watch anything hollywood makes these days.
Many good films in the 40s-90s to enjoy. One I rather enjoyed recently was Fantastic Voyage with Raquel Welch.
I enjoyed Snyder Cut as well. I’m also learning about old British shows. BBC is very woke now hit classic shows are good. I need to see Fantastic Voyage
check out ghostbusters 2016. there is this loud black woman that rips off every minority stereotype. its a really good kind of movie to make you hate SNL and how it unleashed these mildly funny commediennes into a ghostbusters film.
also check out Snached. it stars the feminine phenom, amy sChUmERr.
You cant go wrong with either one, unless youre trying to have a good time and or keep your sanity going.
Yes, I don’t know how they think those women are funny
is woke propaganda plain and simple.
Yea. I know I shouldn’t get so annoyed but I’m tired of seeing great stories get butchered by these idiots. But it is the way of things
I expected them to do this and I have to say, it’s still disappointing to see. I look forward to the crash and burn.
We do still have the books, and Jackson made a great set of films too.
I sometimes go back and forth between evil and incompetence… I genuinely think this is a case of incompetence rather than purposeful maliciousness.
I notice it is heavily pushed by women, who seem to be out of their depth in really understanding these issues and how to fix them.
According to the video I saw of one of their “lore scholars”, they picked a diversity obsessed woman who is not familiar with the story at all.
I always said about the Witcher, that if they wanted to include blacks, they could have just used the Zerrikanians, who were described as living in a hot desert area.
Sorry, but it’s never going to make sense to have blacks in a snowy environment unless your story is metropolitan, or they are foreigners.
The same thing is true of LOTR. If you are intelligent and really had a desire to be inclusive, you could have done it without butchering what already exists.
These people think they are doing some kind of service to humanity by randomly allocating black and brown people to the scenes, whether it makes sense or not.
You want me to believe that in a village in this frozen, ancient place where there are no planes or cars, people of completely different races have existed together? For how long? Wouldn’t they eventually be brown from mixing together? How did they get to be there in the first place? Is there no explanation for why they look different?
We’re just supposed to pretend that it’s normal to have a “diverse” group? It would be like a city where elves, dwarves, and humans were all mixed together, and you just never say why. Is it a trading hub between their respective civilizations?
The funny thing is I guarantee you they will have distinct human cities, dwarven cities, and elven cities without skipping a beat. But why would that be the case? Shouldn’t they all have mixed cities? They wouldn’t even see the contradiction. Their rebellion is against logic. Too bad they are dragging down the rest of us with them…
"A McDonald's in every city is culturally homogenizing. Every city having the exact same mix of exotic/foreign restaurants is not, somehow."
Affirmative Blacktion
Completely agree. But we can’t even make these points without being called racist. But you are right.
evil cannot create, only destroy.
I read the books over the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021. Loved them. I figured Amazon would ruin them. Plus the first thing the showrunner talked about was Lgbt representation so I knew where his priorities were
I started reading WoT about 20 years ago and the moment I heard they were adapting it I knew it would be shit, regardless of all the warning signs that then followed.
Haven't watched it won't watch it, won't even afford it the bandwidth via torrent or YouTube clips.
Which incidentally is my position on The Rise of Skywalker and quite a few things.
I’m mostly black. Sorry you feel that way. You’re free to believe as you want of course.
Cheers. Like I said it’s your life. I tend to hang out with people who are Christian and more traditional minded for friendships.
I tend to hang out with Christians/more traditional minded people but I try to get to know people but I definitely respect someone’s wishes if they choose to associate with their own race.
there's based blacks. their culture was consooomed by hollywood and govt. bringing back to morals, they will be more traditional and reasoned without those influences.
Do not listen to that guy he seems like an actual racist. Unfortunately all the BLM, affirmative action and forced diversity has created a lot of those. There is a reason why white-supremacists wanted Biden to win.
One thing I like about this group is that I get honest opinions. He was being honest with me, and while I am someone who will make friends with anyone (though my close friends tend to be more traditionally minded Christians like me regardless of race) I would never want to force him to be around those he doesn't want to be.
You are right that all those things you mentioned has made things much worse. I remember growing up in the 80s and 90s and we didn't constantly talk about race like they do now. One thing that annoys me the most is how young black people who never experienced any of the things they constantly talk about (slavery, Jim Crow, etc.) never get any pushback. People just accept their word for things. Forced diversity and the idea that something isn't good unless it is diverse (of course never diversity of thought) is ruining entertainment for sure and poisoning society.
Choosing your friends based on shared values makes stronger bonds than choosing your friends based on shared skin color.
I think so
Not really true.
LotR was created explicitly as a sort of White Christian European folklore. The focus and theme is on carrying older philosophical and religious themes to modern readers.
It's not aimed at "anyone."
LotR is aimed at White Christian Europeans.
This is one of the many reasons why it feels so soulless when they inject all the woke garbage and cast random blacks as elves. They are quite literally ripping the soul out of the work.
I’m mostly black and I’ve always enjoyed it. I get that it’s aimed at White European Christians but there are themes that are eternal. I just meant that nothing is stoping anyone from reading the books. Now maybe I’m connecting with my European ancestry when I read it lol. But seriously that is what I mean. I enjoy learning about folklore of other cultures. And I hate how they bastardize it. But the books are always there. I’ve been a Christian since childhood so that aspect has always resonated with me
Is not aimed at white european christians, is a story that is suppose to reflect european culture and Christianity, that is true, it was suppose to be some English origin mythology. However this does not mean that it was made just for white christians from europe, that is just stupid. Is not even an European thing, it does not reflect anything related to Italy, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece or Turkey (the 5% that is in Europe). So should those not enjoy it? What if you are a white atheist from Saudi Arabia?
I like Persian stories and I'm not from Iran, sure the stories were made by and about the people of the area but they are meant to be shared with everyone.
Not sure if I did explain things correctly but just because a story reflects a certain culture does not mean it is meant for that culture, in my opinion is the exact opposite, it's to be shared with everyone. In fact is a sign of respect to share it in the most authentic way possible.
Is Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon meant to be just for the chinese?
This in turn brings about that if you plan to share it in a non-authetic way then you are showing lack of respect to the culture that inspired the author.
I completely agree. I know Tolkien wanted to reflect his culture, but I was saying that anyone could read it. Like you I enjoy reading stories from other cultures and absolutely love Crouching Tiger. I do hate how modern entertainment feels the need to "fix" or "update" great works like we are seeing now.
Yes, so Mediterraneans (if you will) and pagans had their folklore, and it was widely distributed in the Western world. He was trying to create a comparable Christian, West-western (specifically English, really) canon. That doesn't mean that he intended audience is restricted to Englishmen. He was trying to spread it as widely in the English-speaking world as Greek and Roman myths were spread.
The WoT books didn't have enough dindu protagonists. They fucked up the first book so bad I've checked out and won't be watching future seasons.
Most of the modern world isnt people living in a mixed setting. Most of the world is homogenous in their respective regions. As in outside of los angeles or new york... its usually 95% one color or race. Even capital/urban cities outside the west is 90%+.
Diversity is not a strength like their mantra goes, diversity is divisive.
LoTR is probably my favorite work of fiction. I love low fantasy, and I particularly have a fondness tor folktales and mythologies (Mainly Celtic/Nordic). I have been arguing with retards on reddit about the puerto rican elf and the black, beardless dwarf. In the last few days I have been called a bigot, racist, nazi and incel.
I have also heard the same talking points over and over again:
"Its fantasy, it doesnt have to make sense" "Its not historical, it doesnt have to make sense" "Tolkien didnt describe the skin colour/hair length of his characters"
People have also tried to tell me
Fair doesnt mean light skinned Swarthy means sub-Saharan African black
I have also been told since Tolkien was alive in the beginning of the 20th Century, his bias is what kept his books full of white-skinned characters.
They actively ignore his clear passion for the Anglo-Saxon/Nordic/Celtic peoples and his desire to create a myth for the Britain. He was a linguist, he translated real-world stories. He was exacting in his choice of words and he knew a lot about language.
They want to destroy one of the pillars of western fiction. Its too positively male. Too Christian. Too English. Too enduring. Too Hopeful. It is true art and they know they will never be able to match it.
Amazon is on track to (hopefully) kill the franchise once and for all, at least in mainstream media. The books will always exist, what more do we need?
Agreed. This is why I encourage people to just read the source material for a lot of stuff.
Yea more and more it annoys me how they do this. Like I said they need to adapt these wind Sci-fi and fantasy stories that win awards now. Leave the classics alone.
It's all faggot commie subversion. I've stopped paying any attention to the people playing that game.
Oh nooo, the product I wanted to consoom has black people. What will I consoom now?
I am mainly annoyed that the obsession with representation has killed a lot of modern entertainment. I generally watch older stuff and read a lot
Looking at comic books isn't reading.
I read a lot of books too.
Harry Potter
I’ve read those books. I’m currently reading an anthology of Richard Matheson short stories.
You
Hogwarts houses?
Some blacks dont like it either. we will consoom nongayd media.