Fair warning the next 3-4 books are the biggest slog, almost enough to kill your interest in the series.
It has one of the most, I'm not sure if intentional, accurate representations of women I've ever read in a book series.
Yes and no. One of my biggest complaints for the series is that every single woman is exactly the same, with perhaps a minor exception for Min and Bridget. It's like every other woman is just based on his nagging wife.
In that sense, it's probably pretty accurate just because he had such a detailed study. But none of the characters are anything at all like any of the women in my family, or some of my friends. My old boss? Absolutely spot on. 95% of all waitresses I've ever worked with? Also pretty accurate. However, they still had a lot more variability and differences than the women in WoT.
The closest to an actual strong (emotionally stable and capable) woman is probably Bridget. But the women spend most of the time trying to get her to act more like them, lol. Again, accurate for how those type of women are. But I'm pretty sure he was just writing Bridget as a man.
The few women I've known who behave pretty much exactly like his wife I mean the characters in the books, were rarely very capable at all. Usually so overloaded with gossip that there was no chance they could actually accomplish something, or playing queen of the universe with someone else's money. If you put a group of those women in charge of something it would fail within the year, not last a few thousand.
My vote for most accurate representation of women would probably go to the Dragon's of Pern series. Since the author was a woman, she portrays a lot of different women pretty accurately, and still managed to create strong capable men, in a meritocracy, who had to deal with conniving women and their schemes and fix their problems. Personality and character interaction isn't nearly as much focus as it is in WoT though. Even the books which focus on female protagonists, their primary adversarial issues always seem to be other conniving women. It's also pretty clear with it's representation of both "strong" (emotionally stable and capable) women, and morally upstanding men, being rare and uncommon.
It gets better again after that, and once you get to the Brandon Sanderson books, it's really the highlight of the series. But yeah, I ended up putting down book 10 for a long time as well.
I forget exactly which one, but one of the books in that stretch has virtually nothing at all happen until the last couple of pages. As boring as it was to get through that, looking back I marvel at Jordan's ability to write that many coherent pages without, even accidentally, moving the plot forwards one single bit.
The closest is Birgitte, but there's another, somewhat unpalatable dimension to that which is only really hinted at.
Some of the female villains, especially the female Forsaken, don't have that attitude towards men specifically, but that's only because they all have that attitude towards literally everyone else, women included.
Avhienda shows respect to Rand, and Elayne is an insufferable twit, but because she's sort of naive and silly rather than because she treats men poorly.
Even better. Once Brandon Sanderson takes over, the story gets much more streamlined and wraps up towards a conclusion instead of just meandering around endless characters and plotlines.
I'd argue that Jordan did Mat dirty first. Marrying him to the person he ended up married to was always going to reduce his independence and his importance in the story. There was no way he couldn't end up being second fiddle to her.
My gripe, iirc, is that Sanderson essentially turned him fully into a comic-relief type character. Like, "oh what adventures is this rascal getting up to now" when we've already had 10 books of him maturing beyond his early prankster ways
You have a point, but again, I don't know if this is due to Sanderson not liking/not understanding his character, or if it was more that Sanderson was trying to give him something to do after his marriage to the strong-independent-black-woman-who-don't-need-no-man-cuz-she-a-kang-n-shieet basically diminished the importance of his character. Jordan really wrote Sanderson into a corner there.
It's been years since I read the books but I don't think Mat's actions would have been too influenced by his marriage tbh. Unless I'm forgetting a major chapter or two where he's absolutely pussywhipped.
He's definitely the type to go gallivanting off for whatever struck his fancy, the only difference is he'd be coming home to the wife. He has little respect for authority so royal blood wouldn't mean much to him
Dumai's Wells will always be the peak of the series
"Asha'man, kill!" may be the only part of this cluster fuck I look up if they make it that far and I'm fully expecting it to be a damp squib at this point.
I finished the books spring of last year. Took me about a year. I enjoyed them. Once I heard the showrunner of the show I knew he wouldn’t respect the source material
The show at this point is almost a comedy of errors for me. I almost can't wait to see how badly they're going to ruin some of the characters. It's so distant from the books that it doesn't even make me angry: I can just view it as parody.
There is one particular villain who starts off as a man, dies, and the Dark One, known for his cruel sense of irony, reembodies the man's soul in a woman's body. Thing is, this character is already canonically established as indulging in deviant and immoral sexual appetites, so literally a man in a woman's body who is definitely a sexual predator. Just for shits and giggles, I really want to see how they approach that in the show, if they even touch it at all.
But I'm even more excited to see how they try to explain away Lanfear. It is beyond the cognitive and intellectual capacity of the modern hollywoke writer to portray a woman as having enough agency to be irredeemably evil, so I really want to know how they take the woman whose own self-indulgence and ambition motivated her to deliberately release the devil from his cage and kickstart the apocalypse, and try to show how her behavior is really some man's fault and she's just the victim.
Good point. I wonder about Lanfear and I heard about Moraine having a lesbian relationship. I know they mentioned the pillow friend thing but that didn’t seem like something that needed to be in the show. Plus she married a man
Regarding point 1: Remember every reincarnation done that way effectively kills the original soul/host of the body. The Dark One isn't making a new body for the Chosen he brings back, he literally just forces their soul into an existing vessel. So the creation of Osan'gar and Aran'gar [and the others] meant the deaths of a random man and woman in order for the return of those two Chosen. So Aran'gar, the "man in a woman's body who is definitely a sexual predator" as you describe him, only exists because a woman was murdered by the literal Devil of the story and replaced with a man who had already lived for centuries and then recently died.
Worth noting that this "Devil forces a soul into a different body" concept was recently done in an Immortal Hulk comic and when that experience was used by the character to try and empathise with a MTF in the comic the MTF went batshit at the suggestion their experiences were anything alike. Ofc this missed entirely the point that the character in the wrong body quite literally did have the worst of their two experiences what with the fact it was originally Doc Samson now stuck in the body of Sasquatch. But no, the pissy little MTF character had to have their soapbox moment and make everything about them despite Samson quite literally existing as he did then because The One Below All, the literal antithesis to God in Marvel: The One Above All, had forced Samson into someone else's body.
Back on point: channeling strength is linked entirely to the soul. This is why Aran'gar still channels Saidin and why those reborn don't lose any strength outside of special conditions. Those that do lose strength do so because of conditions inflicted upon them: Cyndane gets drained [too fast] by the Eelfinn [which in some ways is a blessing as she only goes from 1(+12) to 2(+12)] the other person that gets drained, albeit much more slowly, goes from 13(1) all the way down to 66(54) however gained the ringlet angral that effectively meant she could channel more power than her original base value, and Siuan is Healed by the wrong person [as it requires someone of the opposite sex to properly fix Severing]. There are likely other examples but those cover both the more significant characters and the methods involved.
Point 2:
try to show how her behavior is really some man's fault and she's just the victim
100%.
They will make every single concession possible to scapegoat her as she never had a third name in the Age of Legends which will be spun as "The Patriarchy" holding her back and it's not her fault that in order for her to be on equal footing as the men she needed to prove herself through dangerous means that meant she created The Bore and literally caused the Apocalypse. Watch them, as always happens, take all agency away from her and turn her into a victim where everyone else [especially Lews Therin who turned her down] is at fault. I'm not really expecting the series to get to the end in any reasonable form so if they do somehow get to the actual end of the books watch Twitter and other platforms go full sperg when Perrin snaps her neck with one hand in Tel'aran'rhoid just as she's about to murder Rand and the two women he's with who are literally fighting Satan at that moment.
But I'm even more excited to see how they try to explain away Lanfear.
Given how poorly the show has done things in general and that the following describes Lanfear,
She was quite tall, a little more than a hand shorter than Rand al'Thor, and had smooth, ivory-pale skin with long black hair and black eyes
We can assume that first of all her appearance will not match that in the slightest. And secondly as this is how her personality is described,
her defining feature was an insatiable lust for power.
As well as,
Many of those who she interacted with, including virtually all of the other Forsaken, have expressed the sentiment that she had a vastly overinflated opinion of herself.
In addition to
She was proud, arrogant, presumptuous, and self-absorbed, actively betraying both her allies and her master in order to gain more power for herself.
And summed up with
She appears to have had a particularly strong rivalry with Ishamael, the most powerful and most favored of the Forsaken, though the rivalry appeared to have been almost completely one-sided on her part. She was also extremely manipulative, and had absolutely no qualms about lying to, or using, virtually anyone to get what she wanted. Additionally, she appeared to have no loyalties except to herself.
We can expect a stronk and independent woman who don't need no man because she's totally awesome and not in fact a walking vortex of neuroticism that will use anyone and everyone because to her it's "all about me!".
Nuance is lost in live action adaptations and this show will just butcher every character of note for the woke agenda.
Much more than that, Lanfear is an obsessive with a classic case of Borderline Personality Disorder. She is incapable of regulating her own emotions and does everything by extremes. She is also incapable of feeling love or compassion for anyone other than herself, and effectively perceives the rest of the world and everyone in it as a reflection of her own desires.
She doesn't love Lews Therin Telamon: she loves the idea of him, and of the power that he wields. She envisions a future with him and her together, the most powerful male and female channellers using the most powerful sa'angreal ever created to magnify their power, destroying the Dark One and the Creator and ruling over the world as the new gods.
This is why she reacts so badly when Lews Therin rejects her, not once, but twice. She is obsessed with the idea of the power that she thinks he can provide her with, and she can't get it from anywhere else, and she can't get over his rejection of her because she can't imagine that anyone wouldn't want that kind of power.
Modern Hollywood could never portray that character faithfully, because she is too much like them. Lanfear is Hillary Clinton with superpowers, the kind of person who would burn down the whole world if she got to be queen of the ashes. None of the scriptwriters for this show possess enough self-awareness to be able to conceive of such a character, even though, being where they are, they're surrounded by exactly that personality type.
You're not missing much but if you're a fan of science fiction, I definitely recommend The Expanse. The first season can be difficult to get through but it really picks up towards the end and just gets better from that point on. The budget also increases so some of the tackiness in the first season goes away.
I'm all for detaching yourself from modern media and refusing to fund the enemy -- kudos to you for that -- but doing it simply because people in it are black or brown or female is an over-reaction. The Left weaponizes all sorts of things against the Right, but it's a bad move to let them shape your morality and values even if it's in the opposite direction. You're still giving them control in the end if you do this. We should be on the side of truth regardless of what our enemy does.
Also, maybe my memory is failing me but I can't think of a single gay character in The Expanse.
Supposedly many are based on parts of his wife so assuming that's the Jack Nicholson about removing reason and accountability then it may be more accurate than people realise.
Well no one knew the dark one would taint the male half of the power in response. They only found out after the fact. Everyone, including the males thought they had succeeded gloriously at first
The Death Gate Cycle is another incredible, older, fantasy series that I would strongly recommend.
Ages ago, sorcerers of unmatched power sundered a world into four realms--sky, stone, fire, and water--then vanished. Over time, magicians learned to work spells only in their own realms and forgot the others. Now only the few who have survived the Labyrinth and crossed the Death Gate know of the presence of all four realms--and even they have yet to unravel the mysteries of their severed world...
Just pointing out book 6 is the longest of the 14 followed by books 4, 14, and then 5. Books 7, 8, 9, and 10 are the shortest of the series with 8 being the shortest of the whole lot. That said 14 has a single chapter that's over 81'000 words long and is intentionally written to exhaust readers.
Same deal with any and all shitty adaptations that come out of The Witcher. Author will say whatever the fuck they want him to read as long as he gets paid.
So that's two shitty Witcher Adaptations now done and also two shitty Wheel of Time adaptations as there was a low budget "pilot" done of the book 1 prologue featuring Billy Zane as Ishamael years ago that only exists to maintain the rights to the works. IIRC it was shown at like 3 in the morning a handful of times just so it had enough exposure to count.
Conquer the world and remake reality in his image. Literally satan in the story. In that time, the good side was losing badly and they werent certain how long they could hang on. The females wanted to wait until their super weapon was completed iirc but the males and the chosen one felt there was no time to waste as they were losing strength with every passing day. The males eventually chose to go on a direct strike on the dark capital to seal the dark one away from their reality but they failed to do so properly (possibly cause they lacked female support) and the backlash from the dark one tainted the male half of the power, which very few of them saw coming, and they went insane and fucked up the world by creating new mountains, destroying cities etc so a very pyrrhic victory. Civilisation dropped from more advanced than our times down to dark ages cause of that
So much so The Dark One's name is 'Shai'tan' and it's not the only example of such naming in the books what with The Final Battle being called "Tar'mon gaidon" which is just 'Armageddon' by another name. Likewise Aiel warriors refer to themselves as "Algai'd'siswai" which equates to 'I will guide us this way'.
Yeah , both genders that still remained loyal to good wanted to fight but they just had very differing ideas on how to fight.
There's a lot of random accusations in the book that suggest if females had joined in the fight instead of insisting on waiting till they finished their super weapon, the dark one would have been perfectly sealed since the constant theme in the book is that the most powerful magic is created when males and female magicians work together in harmony
But then there are others who say both sides would have been tainted which would have probably destroyed the world as at least having a sane female magical force to stop the crazy male magicians running around was better than having both sides being crazy and very few people being able to stop them
This is all in book lore though, so its very decently rationalised
If you're going to be pissy about the extra books then everyone else also gets to be pissy about how petty Jordan was. Taim was going to be Demandred as Jordan later admitted but because the fans caught on to how obvious it was rather than subtle hints that would make sense at the reveal Jordan changed things midway through the series meaning all the clues alluding to Taim being Demandred were just highly unlikely happenstance in the end.
This included their appearance despite the fact Demandred would likely use a disguise so Rand wouldn't actually recognise him, be that Mask of Mirrors, a ter'angral of some kind, or something else as there are obvious flaws to different methods.
The fact Taim used the phrase "The lords of chaos" in the book of the same name which is something only ever spoken by the Forsaken and other Darkfriends.
That Taim somehow knew how to train male wilders when his only excuse was "I was a False Dragon for a while until I fell off my horse at the same time you [Rand] proclaimed yourself 'The Dragon Reborn' and lost my fight".
Come the end of the series suddenly Demandred pops up leading the Sharan because Jordan's own notes cut Demandred out his own plotline and something entirely new was needed to bring him back in despite his prominence amongst the Chosen and vendetta against Lews Therin.
None of the female characters are the least bit likeable, a tiny handful have a small sliver of minorly redeeming qualities but are still like all the rest; insufferably arrogant, full of themselves, totally assured of their own perfection, dismissive and condescending towards every man they come across, and repeatedly make the same bone headed mistakes and fall into the same traps over and over without ever learning a thing, growing as people, leaning even an ounce of humility or introspection, or becoming even slightly likeable.
If this has been your experience with women, I feel sorry for you. This hasn't been my experience at all.
Almost all of the women in my life are wonderful people. Even my worst encounters with women were nowhere near as bad as described by the OP. I've been rejected and hurt by women before but this is just an unfortunate part of life due to our broken human nature. I don't blame them personally, and I'm not so myopic as to assume all women are at fault for the flaws of a minority. Women are not a hivemind any more than all men are a hivemind.
OP's comments reek of immaturity, frustration and anger that's is manifesting as bias against women as a whole, which is utterly irrational.
The very fact that you try to see a socially driven animal like homo sapiens as a "pure individual" rather than a member trying to endear themselves to some 'group', shows you have more to mature.
I mean your premise boils down to "hate the rape, not the rapist".
I’d say the fact that something as simple as a romantic breakup can make you bitter and angry towards all women rather proves which perspective is the more mature and rational one.
Yes, I would say “hate the rape, not the rapist”, but this takes an incredible amount of maturity and understanding that most people simply don’t have, especially when you’re the victim and struggling with all of the negative emotions that come with that.
There’s also the mystery and power of forgiveness, which again, most won’t understand but which plays a huge role in all of this.
On an armchair level, you make sense. Where it fails is in the real world. Take more maturity to realize that the fantasy of "ideal" must be subservient to the "real".
Fair warning the next 3-4 books are the biggest slog, almost enough to kill your interest in the series.
Yes and no. One of my biggest complaints for the series is that every single woman is exactly the same, with perhaps a minor exception for Min and Bridget. It's like every other woman is just based on his nagging wife.
In that sense, it's probably pretty accurate just because he had such a detailed study. But none of the characters are anything at all like any of the women in my family, or some of my friends. My old boss? Absolutely spot on. 95% of all waitresses I've ever worked with? Also pretty accurate. However, they still had a lot more variability and differences than the women in WoT.
The closest to an actual strong (emotionally stable and capable) woman is probably Bridget. But the women spend most of the time trying to get her to act more like them, lol. Again, accurate for how those type of women are. But I'm pretty sure he was just writing Bridget as a man.
The few women I've known who behave pretty much exactly like
his wifeI mean the characters in the books, were rarely very capable at all. Usually so overloaded with gossip that there was no chance they could actually accomplish something, or playing queen of the universe with someone else's money. If you put a group of those women in charge of something it would fail within the year, not last a few thousand.My vote for most accurate representation of women would probably go to the Dragon's of Pern series. Since the author was a woman, she portrays a lot of different women pretty accurately, and still managed to create strong capable men, in a meritocracy, who had to deal with conniving women and their schemes and fix their problems. Personality and character interaction isn't nearly as much focus as it is in WoT though. Even the books which focus on female protagonists, their primary adversarial issues always seem to be other conniving women. It's also pretty clear with it's representation of both "strong" (emotionally stable and capable) women, and morally upstanding men, being rare and uncommon.
Well I've heard that's the best way to write a "strong capable woman".
Almost? I got 2 chapters into book 10 and realized that I could just no longer bring myself to give even half a damn anymore.
Too. Many. Fucking. Characters. I swear to Christ it felt like each book just doubled the amount of characters I was expected to keep track of.
EDIT: Replied to the wrong comment before. Sorry Jack.
It gets better again after that, and once you get to the Brandon Sanderson books, it's really the highlight of the series. But yeah, I ended up putting down book 10 for a long time as well.
I forget exactly which one, but one of the books in that stretch has virtually nothing at all happen until the last couple of pages. As boring as it was to get through that, looking back I marvel at Jordan's ability to write that many coherent pages without, even accidentally, moving the plot forwards one single bit.
Yes, Nynaeve. I won't spoil how or when
The closest is Birgitte, but there's another, somewhat unpalatable dimension to that which is only really hinted at.
Some of the female villains, especially the female Forsaken, don't have that attitude towards men specifically, but that's only because they all have that attitude towards literally everyone else, women included.
Avhienda shows respect to Rand, and Elayne is an insufferable twit, but because she's sort of naive and silly rather than because she treats men poorly.
Egwene is pure evil, though.
Accurate. Dumb enough to assume a vision showing her children alive and well automatically means she will be too.
and then it gets better? As good as 1-5, less so or even better?
Even better. Once Brandon Sanderson takes over, the story gets much more streamlined and wraps up towards a conclusion instead of just meandering around endless characters and plotlines.
Sanderson does Mat dirty. He clearly doesn't grok the character.
Other than that pretty good at finishing someone else's work
I'd argue that Jordan did Mat dirty first. Marrying him to the person he ended up married to was always going to reduce his independence and his importance in the story. There was no way he couldn't end up being second fiddle to her.
My gripe, iirc, is that Sanderson essentially turned him fully into a comic-relief type character. Like, "oh what adventures is this rascal getting up to now" when we've already had 10 books of him maturing beyond his early prankster ways
You have a point, but again, I don't know if this is due to Sanderson not liking/not understanding his character, or if it was more that Sanderson was trying to give him something to do after his marriage to the strong-independent-black-woman-who-don't-need-no-man-cuz-she-a-kang-n-shieet basically diminished the importance of his character. Jordan really wrote Sanderson into a corner there.
It's been years since I read the books but I don't think Mat's actions would have been too influenced by his marriage tbh. Unless I'm forgetting a major chapter or two where he's absolutely pussywhipped.
He's definitely the type to go gallivanting off for whatever struck his fancy, the only difference is he'd be coming home to the wife. He has little respect for authority so royal blood wouldn't mean much to him
I wouldn't say it gets as good or better than books 1-6.
Dumai's Wells will always be the peak of the series, and it never gets as good as that ever again.
But he most definitely recovers it from the chore it is by book 10. You can kind of speed read 7-10 and not miss much.
"Asha'man, kill!" may be the only part of this cluster fuck I look up if they make it that far and I'm fully expecting it to be a damp squib at this point.
There is no way that scene will translate into any semblance of awesome. Can you see the current wokefest making women seem impotent?
Probably some co-op nonsense or the other at best.
Besides I can't get into emo looking Rand, never mind the women with beards into yesterday, and fat cojones in every scene.
You haven't even gotten to the part where he gets into the ethics and the ills of societal indoctrination.
And braid tugging.
Always braid tugging.
Nynaeve is best girl. After being worst girl for like 6-8 books
Yes but Egwene stays annoying as fuck all the way through, and thenngets way too good a send-off in the end.
Egwene is evil, change my mind.
No? >.>
I finished the books spring of last year. Took me about a year. I enjoyed them. Once I heard the showrunner of the show I knew he wouldn’t respect the source material
The show at this point is almost a comedy of errors for me. I almost can't wait to see how badly they're going to ruin some of the characters. It's so distant from the books that it doesn't even make me angry: I can just view it as parody.
There is one particular villain who starts off as a man, dies, and the Dark One, known for his cruel sense of irony, reembodies the man's soul in a woman's body. Thing is, this character is already canonically established as indulging in deviant and immoral sexual appetites, so literally a man in a woman's body who is definitely a sexual predator. Just for shits and giggles, I really want to see how they approach that in the show, if they even touch it at all.
But I'm even more excited to see how they try to explain away Lanfear. It is beyond the cognitive and intellectual capacity of the modern hollywoke writer to portray a woman as having enough agency to be irredeemably evil, so I really want to know how they take the woman whose own self-indulgence and ambition motivated her to deliberately release the devil from his cage and kickstart the apocalypse, and try to show how her behavior is really some man's fault and she's just the victim.
Good point. I wonder about Lanfear and I heard about Moraine having a lesbian relationship. I know they mentioned the pillow friend thing but that didn’t seem like something that needed to be in the show. Plus she married a man
Regarding point 1: Remember every reincarnation done that way effectively kills the original soul/host of the body. The Dark One isn't making a new body for the Chosen he brings back, he literally just forces their soul into an existing vessel. So the creation of Osan'gar and Aran'gar [and the others] meant the deaths of a random man and woman in order for the return of those two Chosen. So Aran'gar, the "man in a woman's body who is definitely a sexual predator" as you describe him, only exists because a woman was murdered by the literal Devil of the story and replaced with a man who had already lived for centuries and then recently died.
Worth noting that this "Devil forces a soul into a different body" concept was recently done in an Immortal Hulk comic and when that experience was used by the character to try and empathise with a MTF in the comic the MTF went batshit at the suggestion their experiences were anything alike. Ofc this missed entirely the point that the character in the wrong body quite literally did have the worst of their two experiences what with the fact it was originally Doc Samson now stuck in the body of Sasquatch. But no, the pissy little MTF character had to have their soapbox moment and make everything about them despite Samson quite literally existing as he did then because The One Below All, the literal antithesis to God in Marvel: The One Above All, had forced Samson into someone else's body.
Back on point: channeling strength is linked entirely to the soul. This is why Aran'gar still channels Saidin and why those reborn don't lose any strength outside of special conditions. Those that do lose strength do so because of conditions inflicted upon them: Cyndane gets drained [too fast] by the Eelfinn [which in some ways is a blessing as she only goes from 1(+12) to 2(+12)] the other person that gets drained, albeit much more slowly, goes from 13(1) all the way down to 66(54) however gained the ringlet angral that effectively meant she could channel more power than her original base value, and Siuan is Healed by the wrong person [as it requires someone of the opposite sex to properly fix Severing]. There are likely other examples but those cover both the more significant characters and the methods involved.
Point 2:
100%.
They will make every single concession possible to scapegoat her as she never had a third name in the Age of Legends which will be spun as "The Patriarchy" holding her back and it's not her fault that in order for her to be on equal footing as the men she needed to prove herself through dangerous means that meant she created The Bore and literally caused the Apocalypse. Watch them, as always happens, take all agency away from her and turn her into a victim where everyone else [especially Lews Therin who turned her down] is at fault. I'm not really expecting the series to get to the end in any reasonable form so if they do somehow get to the actual end of the books watch Twitter and other platforms go full sperg when Perrin snaps her neck with one hand in Tel'aran'rhoid just as she's about to murder Rand and the two women he's with who are literally fighting Satan at that moment.
Given how poorly the show has done things in general and that the following describes Lanfear,
We can assume that first of all her appearance will not match that in the slightest. And secondly as this is how her personality is described,
As well as,
In addition to
And summed up with
We can expect a stronk and independent woman who don't need no man because she's totally awesome and not in fact a walking vortex of neuroticism that will use anyone and everyone because to her it's "all about me!".
Nuance is lost in live action adaptations and this show will just butcher every character of note for the woke agenda.
Much more than that, Lanfear is an obsessive with a classic case of Borderline Personality Disorder. She is incapable of regulating her own emotions and does everything by extremes. She is also incapable of feeling love or compassion for anyone other than herself, and effectively perceives the rest of the world and everyone in it as a reflection of her own desires.
She doesn't love Lews Therin Telamon: she loves the idea of him, and of the power that he wields. She envisions a future with him and her together, the most powerful male and female channellers using the most powerful sa'angreal ever created to magnify their power, destroying the Dark One and the Creator and ruling over the world as the new gods.
This is why she reacts so badly when Lews Therin rejects her, not once, but twice. She is obsessed with the idea of the power that she thinks he can provide her with, and she can't get it from anywhere else, and she can't get over his rejection of her because she can't imagine that anyone wouldn't want that kind of power.
Modern Hollywood could never portray that character faithfully, because she is too much like them. Lanfear is Hillary Clinton with superpowers, the kind of person who would burn down the whole world if she got to be queen of the ashes. None of the scriptwriters for this show possess enough self-awareness to be able to conceive of such a character, even though, being where they are, they're surrounded by exactly that personality type.
I have a rule of thumb to pretty much not watch or read anything after 2014. With rare exceptions
You're not missing much but if you're a fan of science fiction, I definitely recommend The Expanse. The first season can be difficult to get through but it really picks up towards the end and just gets better from that point on. The budget also increases so some of the tackiness in the first season goes away.
I'm brown and can't stand the Expanse. Even in the books, Holden is a grade A pompous jackass. Everyone else are fking caricatures of diversity.
The science in it is pretty spot on sci-fi. Too bad about the junk characters.
Well yeah he's a Paladin and every bit of Lawful Stupid that comes with it.
I'm all for detaching yourself from modern media and refusing to fund the enemy -- kudos to you for that -- but doing it simply because people in it are black or brown or female is an over-reaction. The Left weaponizes all sorts of things against the Right, but it's a bad move to let them shape your morality and values even if it's in the opposite direction. You're still giving them control in the end if you do this. We should be on the side of truth regardless of what our enemy does.
Also, maybe my memory is failing me but I can't think of a single gay character in The Expanse.
Supposedly many are based on parts of his wife so assuming that's the Jack Nicholson about removing reason and accountability then it may be more accurate than people realise.
Well no one knew the dark one would taint the male half of the power in response. They only found out after the fact. Everyone, including the males thought they had succeeded gloriously at first
pick one.
Maybe they put on subtitles.
The Death Gate Cycle is another incredible, older, fantasy series that I would strongly recommend.
Just pointing out book 6 is the longest of the 14 followed by books 4, 14, and then 5. Books 7, 8, 9, and 10 are the shortest of the series with 8 being the shortest of the whole lot. That said 14 has a single chapter that's over 81'000 words long and is intentionally written to exhaust readers.
His editor-wife who controls the rights, and is happy with the TV abortion, as long as she gets her money, is the ultimate meta of his story.
Same deal with any and all shitty adaptations that come out of The Witcher. Author will say whatever the fuck they want him to read as long as he gets paid.
So that's two shitty Witcher Adaptations now done and also two shitty Wheel of Time adaptations as there was a low budget "pilot" done of the book 1 prologue featuring Billy Zane as Ishamael years ago that only exists to maintain the rights to the works. IIRC it was shown at like 3 in the morning a handful of times just so it had enough exposure to count.
They weren't simping. If they were simping they'd just have listened to the women and not launched the final attack on the dark one
Conquer the world and remake reality in his image. Literally satan in the story. In that time, the good side was losing badly and they werent certain how long they could hang on. The females wanted to wait until their super weapon was completed iirc but the males and the chosen one felt there was no time to waste as they were losing strength with every passing day. The males eventually chose to go on a direct strike on the dark capital to seal the dark one away from their reality but they failed to do so properly (possibly cause they lacked female support) and the backlash from the dark one tainted the male half of the power, which very few of them saw coming, and they went insane and fucked up the world by creating new mountains, destroying cities etc so a very pyrrhic victory. Civilisation dropped from more advanced than our times down to dark ages cause of that
So much so The Dark One's name is 'Shai'tan' and it's not the only example of such naming in the books what with The Final Battle being called "Tar'mon gaidon" which is just 'Armageddon' by another name. Likewise Aiel warriors refer to themselves as "Algai'd'siswai" which equates to 'I will guide us this way'.
Yeah , both genders that still remained loyal to good wanted to fight but they just had very differing ideas on how to fight.
There's a lot of random accusations in the book that suggest if females had joined in the fight instead of insisting on waiting till they finished their super weapon, the dark one would have been perfectly sealed since the constant theme in the book is that the most powerful magic is created when males and female magicians work together in harmony
But then there are others who say both sides would have been tainted which would have probably destroyed the world as at least having a sane female magical force to stop the crazy male magicians running around was better than having both sides being crazy and very few people being able to stop them
This is all in book lore though, so its very decently rationalised
"I'm only about 70% through book 6, which isn't even halfway through the series yet"
There are only 11 books (+ NS).
There are 14 books. The first 11 were by the original author Robert Jordan. The last three (12-14) were completed by Brandon Sanderson.
There are only 11 books (+ NS). Trust me.
If you're going to be pissy about the extra books then everyone else also gets to be pissy about how petty Jordan was. Taim was going to be Demandred as Jordan later admitted but because the fans caught on to how obvious it was rather than subtle hints that would make sense at the reveal Jordan changed things midway through the series meaning all the clues alluding to Taim being Demandred were just highly unlikely happenstance in the end.
This included their appearance despite the fact Demandred would likely use a disguise so Rand wouldn't actually recognise him, be that Mask of Mirrors, a ter'angral of some kind, or something else as there are obvious flaws to different methods.
The fact Taim used the phrase "The lords of chaos" in the book of the same name which is something only ever spoken by the Forsaken and other Darkfriends.
That Taim somehow knew how to train male wilders when his only excuse was "I was a False Dragon for a while until I fell off my horse at the same time you [Rand] proclaimed yourself 'The Dragon Reborn' and lost my fight".
Come the end of the series suddenly Demandred pops up leading the Sharan because Jordan's own notes cut Demandred out his own plotline and something entirely new was needed to bring him back in despite his prominence amongst the Chosen and vendetta against Lews Therin.
New Spring would be my guess which is a prequel set 20 years before the main series.
If this has been your experience with women, I feel sorry for you. This hasn't been my experience at all.
What has your experience been?
Almost all of the women in my life are wonderful people. Even my worst encounters with women were nowhere near as bad as described by the OP. I've been rejected and hurt by women before but this is just an unfortunate part of life due to our broken human nature. I don't blame them personally, and I'm not so myopic as to assume all women are at fault for the flaws of a minority. Women are not a hivemind any more than all men are a hivemind.
OP's comments reek of immaturity, frustration and anger that's is manifesting as bias against women as a whole, which is utterly irrational.
If you don't blame them 'personally', when they hurt your person, you either don't respect yourself, are a sociopath, or larping.
Maybe I'm just a mature adult who understands why things don't always work out.
I also don't view people as representative of some group rather than as individuals.
Unfortunately many people here are guilty in both regards.
The very fact that you try to see a socially driven animal like homo sapiens as a "pure individual" rather than a member trying to endear themselves to some 'group', shows you have more to mature.
I mean your premise boils down to "hate the rape, not the rapist".
I’d say the fact that something as simple as a romantic breakup can make you bitter and angry towards all women rather proves which perspective is the more mature and rational one.
Yes, I would say “hate the rape, not the rapist”, but this takes an incredible amount of maturity and understanding that most people simply don’t have, especially when you’re the victim and struggling with all of the negative emotions that come with that.
There’s also the mystery and power of forgiveness, which again, most won’t understand but which plays a huge role in all of this.
On an armchair level, you make sense. Where it fails is in the real world. Take more maturity to realize that the fantasy of "ideal" must be subservient to the "real".