We dont run the media.
We dont run the government.
We dont run social media.
We dont run the banks.
The gloablist left does.
When they use political violence, they get away with it because they run society. When we so much as smirk in the wrong direction, we get treated as terrorists and they get a new reason to expand their power. They have the hearts and minds and power. We dont resort to violence for any moral reason, but because IT WONT FUCKING WORK AND WILL LITERALLY ONLY MAKE THINGS WORSE.
What the right should be doing, is organizing. Prepping. Learning. Talking with normies and opening minds. Its the people vs the full force of the establishment and we dont win this without an organized, intelligent, moral and overwhelmingly large mass of people first.
We don't. Because people like you kept bleating "no, don't fight back! how dare you!"
What part of my post said "dont fight back?".
Do you understand how a fight works? We hit them, guess what, they can hit us back, and what happens when a much bigger, stronger, more popular guy punches a smaller, weaker, socially hated guy? Hmmmmmmmm
For starters, the title.
They're already hitting you. They have been for six decades. And not only do you refuse to clench a fist, you scream at anyone else who does.
You are worse than useless. Unfuck yourself before it's too late.
Goddamn you're an idiot. Learn nuance.
The left uses violence and gets away with it because they have institutional power. If we use violence, we'll get fucked in every hole with every ideological phallus the establishment has to offer. Im not saying dont fight back, im saying realize we're at a huge disadvantage and we'll fucking lose if we fight on the same level. Get it? We dont win this through violence because they have violence too and their violence is much stronger.
I think this is an apt comparison.
How about address the times we're living in instead of resorting to cheap analogies? Explain to me how using violence right now will solve anything.
Ok, did the Kenosha riots continue after Kyle Rittenhouse shot his attackers? I didn't hear anything further about those after that happened.
In the general case, once it is clear that Burning, Looting, and Murdering carries significant personal risk, people will stop.
Kyle was there to help people out, not kill rioters. Ironic, you're so desperate to prove this point, you end up agreeing with the lefts narrative about him. You dopes really are the establishments best allies.
He's a retarded glowie who has repeatedly incited violence in an attempt to try to get this place taken down.
You're a retarded glowie.
Where's my image of the founder fathers sitting around calling each other fedposters for suggesting rebelling against the crown?
And you think there's a comparison between a power that has to transport 80,000 troops from overseas to one that has a standing army of over a million, you total fool?
Your Founding Fathers had money, political power and local militias. You don't have that. You do have autism.
I'm screenshotting this. This is all anyone ever needs, to see exactly what you are.
My expectations were low, but damn, you managed to be even dumber than I expected.
Who is going to take kia2.win down? This isn't reddit where the admins openly apply the rules only against those who are ideologically opposed to them. Are there even any sitewide rules that aren't "Don't break US law?"
There's win admins. There's hosters. There's domain registrars.
The Daily Stormer was taken down for much less than inciting violence, merely saying that he doesn't care about that woman in Charlottesville dying.
So we should self censor and reject discussion of practical problems simply because someone will decide to censor us in the future? They're going to do that anyway if something drastic doesn't change.
Being careful and not getting taken down is better than being taken down - just to allow completely pointless nonsense that isn't going to lead anywhere.
That depends on what the tradeoff is. Especially since that's (probably) going to happen eventually anyway whether or not we're permitted "engage in speech that promotes, advocates, glorifies, or endorses violence." Fuck, that even covers cases where that violence is permitted/endorsed by the government.
Could you provide some examples of what constitutes this? I can't really tell what he's posted that's been removed.
So if someone here were to nut up and assassinate a politician or big tech CEO or something it'd be ok to advocate violence then?
Don't be lazy and use someone else's site.
Don't be cheap and use someone else's server.
Okay DNS is kinda foundational but strictly speaking it isn't an absolute necessity.
If you put me to the task of building a system that's beyond the reach of SJWs to take down, it would probably be built on a combination of torrent and blockchain technology.
You could build a blockchain based BBS, as long as you could acclimate people to the problem of eventual consistency.
You would essentially be going back to the old days of usenet news, except based on torrent instead of UUCP.
We should definitely give up domains so worthless spergs can incite violence.
And it will also be visited by exactly no one.
I think you're grossly underestimating the appeal of what would essentially be a headless version of discord.
Make up your mind, front hole. Just a few hours ago you were declaring me simultaneously a Nazi and Klansman.
Distinction without a difference.
I wouldnt be surprised, but a lot of tools here cant think beyond their emotions and feel this way genuinely.
That's because you're starting at step 3 in a 4 step plan when you should be starting at step 1 if you want it to work(look up Yuri Bezmenov's stages of ideological subversion). If you want to use leftist tactics against them, you have to start from the beginning: Infiltrate > subvert > takeover > purge. This occurred over the course of decades.
Exactly. Though for us it should be
Organize > Plan > Overthrow > Rebuild
You failed at step one. What are you gonna organize? A sit-in at the local police station with handcuff on? You might as well. Organizing is merely creating the list so the left doesn't have to. Anything that requires a group, anything that requires communication will fail.
Oh look, an actual pussy telling us all to quit and do nothing. This will get upvoted though, proving a lot of people here are just shills trying to get us to kill ourselves in pointless fights.
Quit and do nothing? WTF are you on about? You are projecting again. One million lone wolves will accomplish more than any number of infiltrated militias.
You are the absolute retard that wants to do nothing. Every solution is glowing oh no keep crying.
You’re an actual idiot.
As someone with an actual shitton to lose, I feel this fight is worth it. You’re looking at a set of tools that have been shown to be incredibly powerful at meeting the exact goal you have set out for yourself, and you are too weak, cowardly, or foolish to bind them to yourself and use them to build the society we need. I hope when we finally begin to make changes in the culture you’re well and truly in the back lines. I don’t want you killing the momentum by saying “bbbbbbbbut we didn’t like it when they did it to us!”
remember that time a people didn't rise up and cast off tyranny, and it just went away.... No its through the blood and treasure of patriots, nothing else waters the tree of freedom. you people wont wake up till its too fucking late
An organized effort to overthrow the tyranny is different from the lefts tactics of random political violence. Even then, we're still not at that level yet. We need more orginzation, both logistically and morally.
It's wise to study the Roman, French and Russian Revolutions to see what works and what doesn't. I have to say that I thought that the BLM riots last year would lead to the right doing the same thing.
What I underestimated was the level of corruption of the media, and its ability to flip between "riots are good" to "protests are bad" on a dime. And then be believed.
Institutional power is theirs. This is why when they burn down cities, their agenda is pushed through, while when you throw in a few windows, it just leads to severe repression. That is why people who think that this means "don't fight back" are retarded, and quite frankly, probably glowies as well.
I think that swtich started to get flipped on the right shortly after the election. But then the people in charge of the right (including Trump) just threw the 1/6 protesters to the wolves.
People will fight for a cause, but not when their own generals are shooting at them from behind.
The "you will pay" was cringe, but I'm pretty sure that if he had not repudiated him, they would have convicted him and barred him from office for the rest of his life. They were afraid that this would become a Reichstag Fire moment for the Democrats.
It was an unorganized mob of boomers without a plan, that wasn't going to succeed at anything anywhere, let alone in the most highly militarized superpower in the world.
This is not how you prevail, no more than burning the Reichstag would be. In fact, it's a boon to the other side.
Remember it wasn't entirely "unorganized": it was a Trump rally that Trump himself had organized and was encouraging people to attend. After telling them a bunch of stuff about how "if we let this fraud stand we don't have a country anymore". Rhetoric that was repeated by a bunch of people on the right.
People now blame the FBI for inciting what happened, but had Trump et al. not said what they had the FBI's job would have been a lot harder.
At the time it was all going down I said here multiple times that a lot of the rhetoric from the politicians on the right was pretty revolutionary in nature, and it was dangerous to talk that way unless the people saying those things were willing to take the rhetoric to its logical conclusion. And if it was all a ploy to drive donations or get people to vote in some election it was a really stupid and dangerous way to do it.
Sadly that's ultimately what it ended up being.
Gathering somewhere for a rally is completely different from actually trying to accomplish something. They're orders of magnitude removed in terms of the level of organization required.
Ironically, you are here agreeing with the Democrats that Trump was telling them to be violent.
I think it was a mistake, but not for the reason you say. Trump went from nearly having beaten the system again, despite overwhelming odds against him, which in itself was a great shock to them - to it all being about 'massive fraud' which could not be conclusively established and 'insurrection'. I am not sure how much stock we should put in what mainstream media says, but that is what I regret most.
In a "won't someone rid me of this troublesome priest" way, yes. He effectively was declaring the election (and by extension, the government) illegitimate. Where I differ is I think that if election fraud did in fact occur the way Trump and others claimed, after the Supreme Court refused to hear any of the cases an actual insurrection would have been morally justified since all other legal means of redress had been exhausted.
I also think (and I believe I also said this shortly after 1/6) that I would have had no issue with Trump being executed for his role in what happened, to encourage the next guy to not flinch the way Trump did. Especially given his lack of aid toward any of his supporters currently rotting away in prison.
I wasn't going by what MSM said; I was watching the speeches and rhetoric Trump (and others) were making.
Here's an example of electors being blocked from the Capitol in Michigan. Another one where the Texas GOP was talking about secession after the Supreme Court refused to hear one of their cases. What I said about those things in December:
So did the Dems after 2016.
Maybe it would be, maybe it wouldn't be. But who decides if election fraud (sufficient to change the outcome, I assume) occurred? Anyone can make that claim. And after any election, I'm sure any number of people will think that it occurred. This is a principle unlikely to lead to positive outcomes.
Didn't know you were crazy.
Who appointed these electors? No lawful or legitimate authority.
Sounds to me that you just want mayhem.
Yes, and when their people took to the streets over it the Dems backed them up.
Yes, and and the Reps did in 2020. Then threw their people to the wolves when they took to the streets over it.
Believe what you want, but if you shoot at the king you'd better not miss. His supporters in prison are currently learning that lesson; seems only fair Trump should learn it just as hard.
The GOP was using that as evidence that the election was being stolen. Take it up with them and the poor saps currently rotting in prison for believing them.
No we have that in abundance already. I simply want the right to not throw their base to the wolves when they rile them up. Or to stop riling them up if they aren't going to support them.
Funny, thats how I feel about dense motherfuckers like you. Go start something, see where it gets you, moron.
What are you talking about?
Shits hopeless, people are to brainwashed and I feel like the only thing all us normal people can do is just wait it out until it blows over but I doubt it will ever happen cause everybody is getting more retarded by the second
Its not hopeless. People are fighting back more and more with every new attempt at control, like the covid mandates or CRT being taught in schools. There's gonna be a saturation point where everyone is aware of whats happening, and then the fight can finally start.
The global average temperature is barely above freezing but it's still t-shirt weather in Texas. Likewise, they may control the overall greater proportion of those institutions on the global scale, but the heatmap of their influence has plenty of cool-spots. There are places where their influence is in fact weaker than their opponents, that makes certain tactics possible on a local level.
You at least don't fall into the "leftist tactics" semantic trap, because most of the things people are complaining about are not tactics invented by the left, they're near as old as humanity itself that just get out on hiatus occasionally. Mob rousing, public intimidation and non-lethal political beatings were the bread and butter of various points of Roman politics for example. Some people just naïvely thought human nature had somehow evolved out of that because society kind of agreed to chill out for a bit, and haven't quite readjusted to the reality that no we haven't now that one side has taken off the kid gloves. People say "we need to use the same tactics as the left" because they have clearly demonstrated a shift to a no-holds-barred political war footing and the only reason barring certain tactics was tenable was by mutual agreement, once it's no longer mutual coexistence but a war of elimination it's no longer smart to limit yourself.
One of the first things you need for organizing and gathering together is security, and it's been seen time and again that people organizing against the globalist propaganda have been physically attacked because they did not take a pragmatic approach to security. To take it back to Rome again, they thought they could make their political speeches without surrounding themselves with enough support so their opponents can't just start a brawl and kick them out of the forum. And for security the gold standard is deterrence, no conflict is 100% safe so it's better not to have conflict at all. In the cases where there is motivation to start a conflict then the best way to achieve deterrence is to demonstrate consistently that conflict will be much more dangerous for the other side. The globalist left have demonstrated that in their strongholds with their masked
brownblackshirts and politically corrupted justice system and can continue to organize in safety, but their opposition has not made the same examples in theirs and their organizing is subject to constant disruptive violence. The globalist left strongholds will stay secure, whilst their opponent's will bear the cost of repeated incursion and conflict, and be eroded and subverted until there is no hope of organizing ever again.Organization and effective force go hand in hand, both must grow at the same time.
It also doesn't work because of their lack or morality, narcissism, and in the case of immigrants, low IQs. They cannot be manipulated in the same way Conservatives can because they don't have the morals to be used against them. Control of the media, state and institutions too of course...