Stop making the "we need to use the same tactics as the left" argument.

posted 3 years ago by SparkMandrill83 3 years ago by SparkMandrill83 +25 / -20

We dont run the media.

We dont run the government.

We dont run social media.

We dont run the banks.

The gloablist left does.

When they use political violence, they get away with it because they run society. When we so much as smirk in the wrong direction, we get treated as terrorists and they get a new reason to expand their power. They have the hearts and minds and power. We dont resort to violence for any moral reason, but because IT WONT FUCKING WORK AND WILL LITERALLY ONLY MAKE THINGS WORSE.

What the right should be doing, is organizing. Prepping. Learning. Talking with normies and opening minds. Its the people vs the full force of the establishment and we dont win this without an organized, intelligent, moral and overwhelmingly large mass of people first.

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– AntonioOfVenice -3 points 3 years ago +3 / -6

Remember it wasn't entirely "unorganized": it was a Trump rally that Trump himself had organized and was encouraging people to attend.

Gathering somewhere for a rally is completely different from actually trying to accomplish something. They're orders of magnitude removed in terms of the level of organization required.

After telling them a bunch of stuff about how "if we let this fraud stand we don't have a country anymore". Rhetoric that was repeated by a bunch of people on the right.

Ironically, you are here agreeing with the Democrats that Trump was telling them to be violent.

it was dangerous to talk that way unless the people saying those things were willing to take the rhetoric to its logical conclusion.

I think it was a mistake, but not for the reason you say. Trump went from nearly having beaten the system again, despite overwhelming odds against him, which in itself was a great shock to them - to it all being about 'massive fraud' which could not be conclusively established and 'insurrection'. I am not sure how much stock we should put in what mainstream media says, but that is what I regret most.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 6 points 3 years ago +9 / -3

Ironically, you are here agreeing with the Democrats that Trump was telling them to be violent.

In a "won't someone rid me of this troublesome priest" way, yes. He effectively was declaring the election (and by extension, the government) illegitimate. Where I differ is I think that if election fraud did in fact occur the way Trump and others claimed, after the Supreme Court refused to hear any of the cases an actual insurrection would have been morally justified since all other legal means of redress had been exhausted.

I also think (and I believe I also said this shortly after 1/6) that I would have had no issue with Trump being executed for his role in what happened, to encourage the next guy to not flinch the way Trump did. Especially given his lack of aid toward any of his supporters currently rotting away in prison.

I am not sure how much stock we should put in what mainstream media says, but that is what I regret most.

I wasn't going by what MSM said; I was watching the speeches and rhetoric Trump (and others) were making.

Here's an example of electors being blocked from the Capitol in Michigan. Another one where the Texas GOP was talking about secession after the Supreme Court refused to hear one of their cases. What I said about those things in December:

Someone who states that the fraud and the manipulation of procedure to "launder" the fraud is an existential threat to the Republic...well there are certain expectations to the sorts of actions one ought to the willing to support to address an existential threat. "All cards on the table" as it were, even if playing a particular card may not be strategically wise.

The GOP is playing an extremely dangerous game playing up the "existential threat" rhetoric, and they better mean it because they're awakening a sleeping giant. For example the talk of secession in Texas and the State Police blocking electors in Michigan. If that's all just bluster meant to drive donations and get out the vote, it's extremely stupid to bluster in such a way that suggests political parties and voting aren't the solution to our problems.

If State Police truly are blocking State officials from doing their duty on the orders of another State official, the resolution to that standoff doesn't involve voting. If the Texas GOP is serious about "forming a more perfect union of states that uphold the Constitution", we've seen twice in our history that preserving such a union involves more than just voting.

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– AntonioOfVenice -5 points 3 years ago +2 / -7

He effectively was declaring the election (and by extension, the government) illegitimate.

So did the Dems after 2016.

Where I differ is I think that if election fraud did in fact occur the way Trump and others claimed, after the Supreme Court refused to hear any of the cases an actual insurrection would have been morally justified since all other legal means of redress had been exhausted.

Maybe it would be, maybe it wouldn't be. But who decides if election fraud (sufficient to change the outcome, I assume) occurred? Anyone can make that claim. And after any election, I'm sure any number of people will think that it occurred. This is a principle unlikely to lead to positive outcomes.

I also think (and I believe I also said this shortly after 1/6) that I would have had no issue with Trump being executed for his role in what happened, to encourage the next guy to not flinch the way Trump did.

Didn't know you were crazy.

Here's an example of electors being blocked from the Capitol in Michigan

Who appointed these electors? No lawful or legitimate authority.

Sounds to me that you just want mayhem.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 8 points 3 years ago +9 / -1

So did the Dems after 2016.

Yes, and when their people took to the streets over it the Dems backed them up.

Anyone can make that claim

Yes, and and the Reps did in 2020. Then threw their people to the wolves when they took to the streets over it.

Didn't know you were crazy.

Believe what you want, but if you shoot at the king you'd better not miss. His supporters in prison are currently learning that lesson; seems only fair Trump should learn it just as hard.

Who appointed these electors? No lawful or legitimate authority.

The GOP was using that as evidence that the election was being stolen. Take it up with them and the poor saps currently rotting in prison for believing them.

Sounds to me that you just want mayhem.

No we have that in abundance already. I simply want the right to not throw their base to the wolves when they rile them up. Or to stop riling them up if they aren't going to support them.

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– AntonioOfVenice -1 points 3 years ago +1 / -2

Yes, and when their people took to the streets over it the Dems backed them up.

Cause their faction controls the media, academia and the deep state. Things work out very differently when you don't, and then decide to back up lawlessness.

Believe what you want, but if you shoot at the king you'd better not miss. His supporters in prison are currently learning that lesson; seems only fair Trump should learn it just as hard.

Like I told you, thinking that an unorganized mob of boomers is anything like 'shooting at the king' is absurd.

No we have that in abundance already. I simply want the right to not throw their base to the wolves when they rile them up. Or to stop riling them up if they aren't going to support them.

But rather, accepting arguendo that your previous claims were correct, back an attempted revolution with less than 0 chance of success? How come the left did not engage in such idiocy when it was powerless?

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... continue reading thread?

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– SparkMandrill83 [S] -6 points 3 years ago +2 / -8

In a "won't someone rid me of this troublesome priest" way, yes.

Funny, thats how I feel about dense motherfuckers like you. Go start something, see where it gets you, moron.