Letting the left meme is like giving a toddler a gun...
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I always marvel at the generational wealth bit, like do mother fuckers think all white people have money? The vast majority of our poor, are indeed white...
True I'm white and have been poor as shit my whole life I'm waiting for the white privilege to kick in so I can finally be rich
I remember reading something about how it’s very common for someone to gain wealth in life and then it’s gone two or three generations later. Some ppl just don’t manage money wisely.
Look at lottery winners. Most end. Up just as poor their pre lottery winning before they even die
Good point. I forgot about that.
Just look at all of the trust fund socialists. I bet you that they’ll all die poorer than they were born as because they won’t build any wealth of their own but instead will spend what they were given.
Because the majority of them just give their children their money. Those kids were never imparted the wisdom and experience to make more or properly use that money. Sometimes it can last their lifetime out of sheer inertia and some basic skills, but it'll diminish without some form of replenishment.
They are fucking retarded. In the same breath they will say how whites own all the wealth while blaming them for being the majority of social services recipients. It is a classic damned if you do or do not situation.
I think when they say rich, they basically just mean 'stability.' Living a conservative lifestyle that values hard work will lead to a more financially stable life than a liberal lifestyle that revolves about doing whatever you want. Who would've thought?
except leftist memes become culture and then law
look at what they got away with just last year
The North was indisputably more affluent and developed, yes. A war with the North was the last thing the South wanted. They just wanted to stop being tyrannized by the federal government.
The North outnumbered them 2-1 and with all of their military infrastructure still came away from the war with far more casualties. Lincoln literally had to gulag journalists reporting on the war to prevent public support from sinking into the abyss in order to keep the war going. Had he not brutally suppressed free speech the Northern war effort would have come to a screeching halt due to the public realizing how catastrophically poorly the war was going. The North sold their soul to defeat the Confederacy.
The South lost. But they absolutely fought like hell.
Way to miss the point entirely.
I got the point. I was just addressing the original "meme".
I understand Democrats were the dominant party in the South until the turn of the 21st century. Thinking that has anything to do with the contemporary form of the Democratic party is simply misunderstanding history.
I acknowledge that the Republican party has become the premier party for advocates of small government. That doesn't change the fact that they're by and large all weak cucks.
Yes, but they aren't the ones own-goaling here.
It's the democrats that are so concerned about the appearance of historical guilt, yet they show their open hypocrisy by retaining the party name.
It illustrates that their entire claim to morality is bullshit. The progs know that if they were to proclaim the democrat label itself to be malign, and try to rebrand, they would effectively just be ceding control of the DNC back to the 90's New Democrats that they've been fighting for party control since Newt took the house from them.
The Democratic party is strange in this way. They wield prog retards like a weapon. I think it's because that type of person is extravagantly weak and suckers on to whatever power center they can despite ideological differences. People like AOC absolutely wield no actual power, they're just there to keep the fucktards nodding along.
We're talking about the people that uphold Marx whenever Marx was a virulent racist, when race based politics define their rhetoric.
It goes a long way back.
Carter's failure demolished the mid century liberals. In the post-mort the Democrats realized that Reagan had managed to take old labor from them by appealing to cheap nationalism even while running the economy even further into the ground with the farm crisis and the savings and loan crisis.
Now, Reagan failed to actually reinvent the GOP because the wrong faction won in his wake. GHW Bush and the rino crowd successfully marginalized the proto-Trumps like Pat Buchanan. The proto-populists had their revenge with Ross Perot, but in a sense it was a pyrrhic victory to kick out GHW.
Meanwhile, the Democrats realized that they COULD NOT run a progressive and win. But they also couldn't win without the progressives. So the compromise they arrived at was Clinton, with an ultra progressive VP (Gore). Clinton-Gore was essentially a bait and switch the DNC played on the far left, or at least that how it came to be perceived when Gore failed in 2000. Obama inflamed that divide even further by being in many ways a continuation of Bush's policies.
Wait, are we really doing the corny “Democrats were the real racists” thing and not pointing out that the confederates quite literally outfought the North and only really got sieged out?
Of course the democrats are racists. Why else would they think people need help to compete?
Confederates were inherently conservatives and reactionaries, which has always occupied the "right wing" of the left-right political spectrum as used in modern history. They resisted the progressive (at the time) end of human enslavement/forced labour on just the basis of skin colour.
Of course the US federal government failed to properly dispossess Southern slavers of their property to redistribute to the formerly enslaved population, instead opting to do nothing and allow the North & South to continue white supremacy through unequal enforcement of laws, Jim Crow, lynching blacks, prison slave labour (hence the unequal application of state violence, policing, and unequal sentencing of blacks which is an ongoing problem).
The more time passes since the so-called "end of slavery", the easier it is to deny reparations despite the enormous disparity in generational wealth condensation enabled by 200 years of slavery and 150+ years of institutional and societal racism and kicking the can down the road.
Au contraire, they were revolutionaries. Unless you accept that they were merely preserving the American Revolution, which is what they themselves argued.
It wasn't based on skin color, Mr. British or whatever freakazoid you are, as there were many free blacks around.
Just imagine erasing the countless whites (Republicans, for that matter) who were lynched for things like attempting to vote.
Hahahaha. Yes, it's "unequal sentencing" and not grossly disproportionate rates of offending that's the issue.
Imagine being such a white POS that you claim that blacks were still slaves after abolition.
Thomas Sowell has already conclusively demonstrated that slavery was, if anything, a net burden on the places in question.
It's not fog, Johnny. That too, is condensation.
Why are you using reality to counter this poor mans creation mythology? All slavery was bad, everything was racist, the federal government was the good guys, and we needed the civil rights act to end racial discrimination, but it still occurs everywhere.
Why waste your time with this idiot. He sees blacks as helpless victims who aren’t capable of taking any responsibility in their lives. Slavery had an effect no doubt but to use that as an excuse today is a bit ridiculous while ignoring other pressing issues.
I was actually hoping he'd take me up on the "were the Confederates Revolutionaries or Conservatives?" Because that is quite an interesting question. However, it's doubtful whether one could have an interesting debate with someone who can only repeat pre-baked shibboleths.
Slavery just socialized some of the labor cost and put more wealth in the hands of slave owners at the expense of everyone else. The only circumstance when slavery will increase the output of a society is when the labor supply just doesn't exist, true during very early colonial period but not during the revolution and certainly not during antebellum period.
Here's a crazy thought. Maybe Blacks will stop having these issues if they stop supporting the party that's been doing it to them since getting off the boat?
The point of the Meme is Democrats being so dumb they use Democrat's history and racist cities as justification to vote Democrat over and over.
That wasn't the reason for the war according to Lincoln, the corporate railroad attorney turned President. He is the only president to call for an amendment to make slavery express and irrevocable:
He also explicitly stated that he would only invade the south if they didn't pay their taxes:
The civil war started because the Northern robber-barons wanted to tax the South to subsidize their corporate railroads.
Spez: As a native American whose ancestors fought for the Confederacy against the Federal government that displaced them, I'll be happy to accept the $2 million, adjusted for inflation, owed to me as compensation for the slaves and land stolen by whitey.
Which is why it makes so little sense to blame him for the Civil War. He bent over backwards to appease the South. Although this would merely make explicit what was already believed - that the Constitution protected slavery.
Which they of course didn't. That was just face-saving on his part, to pretend that he was going to continue to enforce the laws, when he sure as hell was not going to.
That makes little sense. This was not even cited as a grievance. And secession happened way before the new President even took office.
Personal liberty laws and the absence of protection for slavery in the territories were. Though the actual causes are quite complex. Once the first state forced a crisis, your choice is no longer whether or not you find secession desirable, but whether you're going to join SC in defying the Feds, or hanging SC out to dry.
You're killing the poor guy. There's no way he's going to solve that equation without his brain breaking even more than it was already.
Boiling the civil war down to a single issue will always be a bit spurious, but the tariff debate(Tariff of Abominations, Black Tariff, Walker Tariff, etc) was the most signifcant clevage point as it had almost pushed South Carolina over the edge in 1833.
Hardly really. The South was in control of the federal government for nearly all the time before the 1860s. And let us assume that the real issue, or the most important issue as you say, was tariffs. It is really strange that it was barely or not brought up in the extended negotiations about trying to mend the rift. It was always about concessions regarding slavery, and particularly slavery in the territories.
Slavery in the new territory is less about slavery itself and more about balance of power. Like all conflicts, it's ultimately a case of competing elites vying for control, and the side that only wanted to protect their own interests lost to the side that wanted to expand their control over the other, as is the most common resolution to such conflicts.
Well, precisely, and the significance of that Sean Wilentz describes in No Property In Men. However, considering the fact that the federal government, this was de facto protection for slavery, and the 3/5 Compromise, far from "WE WUZ CONSIDERED 3/5 OF A HUMAN", was a great boon to the slaveholders, who could now gain increased representation.
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Why don’t you give away money to descendants of slavery? So all black ppl are helpless victims? Honestly shouldn’t that be why you shouldn’t trust govt? Or wait around for some check to solve your problems?
That would defeat the purpose. He wants to commandeer the resources of other people and give that to the descendants of slaves, in order to gain the political loyalty of those people at no cost to himself.
Honestly modern day leftists have taught me that as a kid I should’ve told my parents that slavery was the reason for my bad behavior.
Seriously though the encouragement of antisocial behavior and treating black people like they can’t help but commit crime has shown to be detrimental. My cousins get mad at me when I say I think high crime rates is a bigger issue in 2021 than rehashing slavery.