Reminder that /r/911truth was 1 of the subreddits to be quarantined when the site started to rollout draconian measures.
The Times, meanwhile, quoted Lee as saying that he still had “questions” about what caused the Twin Towers to collapse after they were hit by airplanes, alluding to an alleged government cover-up.
Anyone with eyes would have 'questions'.
Slate in its article critical of Lee focused on the interview space devoted to Richard Gage, the leader of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. At a 2012 event, Gage appeared to endorse the suggestion by another participant that Israel was behind the terrorist attack. He regularly appears on podcasts where conspiracies about Jews and the Holocaust are common.
Keep crying about antisemitism and maybe more people will find out about alleged Mossad involvement.
Yep, we should all ignore the Jews who died in there.
You're an absolute retard; this is about a government agency, it's not a post for you to soapbox about the Holocaust or whatever Jewish agenda you want to fellate today.
The conspiracy and narrative must be held at all costs!
There literally is no mainstream narrative about Mossad involvement with 9/11, my subpar intellectual friend. Either research and offer a rebuttal to 'conspiracies' or fuck off.
Do I need to quote you on this? Because you just brought the retarded conspiracy theories that have been debunked over and over for the 19 years and 11 months.
Did you forget what you just wrote? No wonder your IQ is below functional level.
this is about a government agency, it's not a post for you to soapbox about the Holocaust or whatever Jewish agenda you want to fellate today.
That depends. Almost every anti-Israeli conspiracy theory is literally just a bunch of crazy National Socialists screaming about Jews.
One of the leading arguments for why Israel attacked the US in 9/11 is because all the Jews were told to evacuate. This is a commonly held belief in the Arab world. It is also false. In this case, the Islamists and the National Socialists are on the same side.
It still makes no sense whatsoever that WTC7 was completely destroyed.
Conveniently enough, the Enron investigation was taking place in one of the towers as well.
Don't take the video as gospel, but consider the information available in it, as well as the information available elsewhere, and form your own views.
I think one of the more important aspects of 9/11 that never gets talked about is the "dancing Israelis."
Watch this video to get up to speed on them: https://youtu.be/xv5s_VEmZd0
People should learn their history. While Israel may be considered an "ally," they have a very questionable history with the US. In fact, much of their behavior is not the behavior one would expect from a country that we're allied with.
Here's a quick infographic that gives a pretty quick snapshot of some of the history between the US and Israel.
There's a lot that we're never even taught in schools, which is truly baffling. I suggest everyone look into things further if you enjoy history.
What's really messed up is that any time someone tries to bring attention to these things, they're immediately labeled as an "anti-semite."
Using that as a deflection is nothing more than trying to shut down what should be a very important conversation. There should be absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions about the Government of another country.
For the most part, I don't think anyone has any problems with Jewish people. It should be plainly obvious that the overwhelming majority of them are just going about their lives like everyone else. Hell, one of my best friends and former roommate is Jewish; however, the fact that anyone who questions certain things about people in very powerful positions -- regardless of the institution/industry -- is always stonewalled immediately as an 'anti-semite' if that person happens to be Jewish.
It's nothing more than weaponizing an identity to keep people from asking important questions.
People shouldn't be afraid to ask questions or to search for the truth, but apparently that's the world we live in now.
Footage of WTC7 falling was what made me investigate further into the entire incident.
Not everything has to be believed, but if anyone comes away from the entire thing with anything other than that there was clearly some fuckery involved, I don't know what to say.
“The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.”
was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.
That's common. Once some of the columns have failed, the rest now have to carry the weight of the entire building. Often that force is at odd angles they aren't designed for, too. So they fail too.
Pretty sure they have a much better grasp of what took place than most people do, considering their reputations are on the line by speaking out.
No one said you had to agree.
I'm not willing to base the entire belief that it was "severely damaged" on two individual pictures of the SW corner. That's fine if you are. No one is forcing you to think anything.
If you think it makes no sense that WTC 7 was destroyed then you didn't look into any of the details around the collapse of WTC 7.
Not only was there a major fire in WTC 7, the building was severely damaged from falling debris, and there is a massive visible scar that cut through at least 10 stories. The damage to the building, combined with the unique architecture of the building (because it contained a massive building sized generator) is what led to it's collapse.
Israel is behaving as an ally should: with it's own interests at heart as it's top priority. The US isn't used to having that since many of our "allies" act effectively as vassal states.
What's your point?
Using an argument from authority based off the opinions of one person, don't invalidate the views of another.
Especially when many of those opinions are strawmans or reductio ad absurdum.
I'm not telling you what to believe; form your own conclusions based off of your own beliefs.
I believe that page is just as speculative and and opinionated as those who believe otherwise.
In essence, much of it is offering different interpretations of events.
At no point am I saying they're responsible for what happened, but I would suggest that very likely at least had some foreknowledge of what would occur.
There's a memorandum not mentioned in your link sent to the 9/11 commission by a man named Gerald Shea that would suggest the same as well.
https://www.scribd.com/document/66321077/Gerald-Shea-Memo-to-the-9-11-Commission
Given Israel's history, (as briefly shown in that history graphic) it would be difficult to believe they'd be honest about involvement in such things. I'm of the belief that they did know beforehand.
A lot of the "debunk" relies on the alphabet agencies being forthcoming and truthful about what they tell people. Given what we've seen the last few years from these same groups, their credibility in my eyes is complete trash. They're in the business of lies and cover-ups.
Attributing their behavior to "immature conduct," as the official belief goes, is silly to me. I also don't buy the excuse of "now they know what we go through." People don't celebrate other people's misery because it validates their own.
Although I've seen the page you linked before, and it provides a nice aggregation of information, the interpretations by whomever is writing the opinions are just strawmans, arguments from authority, and reductio ad absurdum.I'll also admit that I don't like how it tries to paint them as victims at the end. To me that comes across as tryhard.
I'm skeptical by nature. For better or worse.
It's fine that we disagree, though. I certainly wouldn't say you're wrong for believing what you do, I just personally don't buy into it as well.
Sadly, the entire event has been tarnished forever by retards spouting absolutely insane crap very loudly. Silly crap like mini-nukes, direct energy weapons, thermite paint, and even holograms only served to discredit anyone seeking actual answers. Maybe that was intentional?
Anyone, best of luck to you out there, man. Stay safe and healthy.
At no point am I saying they're responsible for what happened, but I would suggest that very likely at least had some foreknowledge of what would occur.
A lot of the "debunk" relies on the alphabet agencies being forthcoming and truthful about what they tell people. Given what we've seen the last few years from these same groups, their credibility in my eyes is complete trash.
Why should I trust an antisemite that came up with this instead, when all the evidence, not even coming from intelligence agencies suggests foreknowledge is bunk?
I'm skeptical by nature. For better or worse.
A skeptic doesn't believe in conspiracy theories.
Anyone, best of luck to you out there, man. Stay safe and healthy.
That is a nice change of pace in comparison to the others who have a tendency to subscribe to this nonsense. So, thank you, the feeling is mutual, stay safe and healthy.
Why would he be an antisemite for creating a report as a District Attorney?
I don't like the idea that anyone who criticizes Israel is somehow automatically an antisemite. That's nothing more than a tactic to shut down conversation or to discredit anyone that people don't like. To me, It's the same exact thing activists do.
Your archive was pretty much covered in the previous link you already posted. It's still reliant on the FBI being forthcoming and honest, as already mentioned. It's certainly true that Israel, in cooperation with the US Government at times, has staged attacks in order to garner US support in helping them. It's also well known that they participate in aggressive (in comparison to other allied countries) spying activities on the US.
All skeptics are "conspiracy theorists." In fact, unless you follow the commonly believed narrative of any given topic, that's what you would be considered. To me, this is nothing more than you using an ad hominem. The use of denigrating labels is only used to discredit people -- nothing more.
I don't get it. I've been nothing but cordial and thought we were just having a conversation, but you seem to be getting increasingly salty -- like you're more concerned with "winning a fight" online than simply talking.
I don't believe it's crazy or out of the realm of possibility that Israel and the FBI/CIA would be fabricating a story -- especially when all of them have a history of being duplicitous and dishonest. It's most certainly not some indictment on the people of Israel or Jewish people as a whole either.
It's always my position that people should form their own views.
I personally believe there's a ton of crap surrounding the events of that day that we'll never know the truth about. I sure as hell don't trust the Government or Media to be the arbiters of truth. There's a massive amount of information out there, some of it ranging from absurd and ridiculous, and some of it pretty reliable.
Anyway, I'm not sure if I misinterpreted your intention or not, but it doesn't matter; it doesn't bother that much. Just a bit confused.
Thank you for the well wishes. Hope you're having a good evening, man. Stay positive.
Because most criticism of Israel is a veiled attack on Jews themselves. They simply use Israel as an excuse or a as a red herring for the real criticism.
I'm sorry, but all evidence points out no foreknowledge. Which suggests Israel had nothing to do with the attacks, and it was, in fact, caused by Bin Laden. Let me put it this way, if this was caused by Israel, there was bound to have been leaks of information and people coming out throughout the years. Nothing of this magnitude would survive the test of time, and not leak. If America had Snowden, and that other guy leaking information, a very controlled place and hired people, something like this, of this size, would have seen the day.
Nobody, nothing, zilch, nil, have come out, and all one has is conspiracy theories and misinterpreted news articles to support Israel's involvement. That's it.
Worse still, what has Israel benefited from all of this? Intifada, multiple terror attacks, more instability in the region.
For a skeptic, you need to ask these questions when analyzing conspiracy theories. The bigger the event, the more people it involves, the more possibilities of leaks and people coming out will be.
It's certainly true that Israel, in cooperation with the US Government at times, has staged attacks in order to garner US support in helping them.
Such as?
Anyway, I'm not sure if I misinterpreted your intention or not, but it doesn't matter; it doesn't bother that much. Just a bit confused.
Yes, you did, I attacked conspiracy theorists. Because despite all the evidence, some still prefer to believe in crazy stuff. That wasn't an attack towards you specifically.
Hope you're having a good evening, man. Stay positive.
"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" was the "horse dewormer" of its day, a pithy dismissal thats bleeted by those who won't even try to understand the overall point.
Spike Lee is a dumbass grifter just like the rest of his ilk, his talent seriously overblown. If he thought he was untouchable he was sadly mistaken, only a meager, low talent pawn.
Reminder that /r/911truth was 1 of the subreddits to be quarantined when the site started to rollout draconian measures.
Anyone with eyes would have 'questions'.
Keep crying about antisemitism and maybe more people will find out about alleged Mossad involvement.
Not really. It's actually all very straight forward.
Uh huh.
Yep, we should all ignore the Jews who died in there. The conspiracy and narrative must be held at all costs!
You're an absolute retard; this is about a government agency, it's not a post for you to soapbox about the Holocaust or whatever Jewish agenda you want to fellate today.
There literally is no mainstream narrative about Mossad involvement with 9/11, my subpar intellectual friend. Either research and offer a rebuttal to 'conspiracies' or fuck off.
Do I need to quote you on this? Because you just brought the retarded conspiracy theories that have been debunked over and over for the 19 years and 11 months.
Did you forget what you just wrote? No wonder your IQ is below functional level.
That depends. Almost every anti-Israeli conspiracy theory is literally just a bunch of crazy National Socialists screaming about Jews.
One of the leading arguments for why Israel attacked the US in 9/11 is because all the Jews were told to evacuate. This is a commonly held belief in the Arab world. It is also false. In this case, the Islamists and the National Socialists are on the same side.
It still makes no sense whatsoever that WTC7 was completely destroyed.
Conveniently enough, the Enron investigation was taking place in one of the towers as well.
For those who want to get up to speed, check out this video:
https://youtu.be/n_fp5kaVYhk
Don't take the video as gospel, but consider the information available in it, as well as the information available elsewhere, and form your own views.
I think one of the more important aspects of 9/11 that never gets talked about is the "dancing Israelis."
Watch this video to get up to speed on them:
https://youtu.be/xv5s_VEmZd0
People should learn their history. While Israel may be considered an "ally," they have a very questionable history with the US. In fact, much of their behavior is not the behavior one would expect from a country that we're allied with.
Here's a quick infographic that gives a pretty quick snapshot of some of the history between the US and Israel.
https://postimg.cc/MMQCMPD6
There's a lot that we're never even taught in schools, which is truly baffling. I suggest everyone look into things further if you enjoy history.
What's really messed up is that any time someone tries to bring attention to these things, they're immediately labeled as an "anti-semite."
Using that as a deflection is nothing more than trying to shut down what should be a very important conversation. There should be absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions about the Government of another country.
For the most part, I don't think anyone has any problems with Jewish people. It should be plainly obvious that the overwhelming majority of them are just going about their lives like everyone else. Hell, one of my best friends and former roommate is Jewish; however, the fact that anyone who questions certain things about people in very powerful positions -- regardless of the institution/industry -- is always stonewalled immediately as an 'anti-semite' if that person happens to be Jewish.
It's nothing more than weaponizing an identity to keep people from asking important questions.
People shouldn't be afraid to ask questions or to search for the truth, but apparently that's the world we live in now.
Footage of WTC7 falling was what made me investigate further into the entire incident.
Not everything has to be believed, but if anyone comes away from the entire thing with anything other than that there was clearly some fuckery involved, I don't know what to say.
Definitely. WTC7 still makes no sense to this day. Here's a really good read about WTC7 by a team of engineers:
https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
Here's a quick video clip for those unfamiliar:
https://streamable.com/nmitqg
That's common. Once some of the columns have failed, the rest now have to carry the weight of the entire building. Often that force is at odd angles they aren't designed for, too. So they fail too.
Read their report.
These are some of the brightest engineers in the world from two different schools collaborating. You're sorely mistaken.
I decide to skim through the report.
It's pretty bad that they mention almost no damage to the structure of the building at all, despite major structural damage to the building.
I suspect that that wrong assumption probably has an effect on their conclusions.
Pretty sure they have a much better grasp of what took place than most people do, considering their reputations are on the line by speaking out.
No one said you had to agree.
I'm not willing to base the entire belief that it was "severely damaged" on two individual pictures of the SW corner. That's fine if you are. No one is forcing you to think anything.
"top minds"
Not an argument. Discredit the merit of what's they're discussing, not make pointless ad hominems because you feel it somehow validates your opinion.
It's a trick, they always use it. But it only works on White people.
If you think it makes no sense that WTC 7 was destroyed then you didn't look into any of the details around the collapse of WTC 7.
Not only was there a major fire in WTC 7, the building was severely damaged from falling debris, and there is a massive visible scar that cut through at least 10 stories. The damage to the building, combined with the unique architecture of the building (because it contained a massive building sized generator) is what led to it's collapse.
Israel is behaving as an ally should: with it's own interests at heart as it's top priority. The US isn't used to having that since many of our "allies" act effectively as vassal states.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Dancing_Israelis
What's your point?
Using an argument from authority based off the opinions of one person, don't invalidate the views of another.
Especially when many of those opinions are strawmans or reductio ad absurdum.
I'm not telling you what to believe; form your own conclusions based off of your own beliefs.
Errm... Those are facts from multiple people, and multiple sources.
Take it as you want. I consider the claim "Dacing Israeli" and the conspiracy theory that revolves around it debunked.
I believe that page is just as speculative and and opinionated as those who believe otherwise.
In essence, much of it is offering different interpretations of events.
At no point am I saying they're responsible for what happened, but I would suggest that very likely at least had some foreknowledge of what would occur.
There's a memorandum not mentioned in your link sent to the 9/11 commission by a man named Gerald Shea that would suggest the same as well. https://www.scribd.com/document/66321077/Gerald-Shea-Memo-to-the-9-11-Commission
Given Israel's history, (as briefly shown in that history graphic) it would be difficult to believe they'd be honest about involvement in such things. I'm of the belief that they did know beforehand.
A lot of the "debunk" relies on the alphabet agencies being forthcoming and truthful about what they tell people. Given what we've seen the last few years from these same groups, their credibility in my eyes is complete trash. They're in the business of lies and cover-ups.
Attributing their behavior to "immature conduct," as the official belief goes, is silly to me. I also don't buy the excuse of "now they know what we go through." People don't celebrate other people's misery because it validates their own.
Although I've seen the page you linked before, and it provides a nice aggregation of information, the interpretations by whomever is writing the opinions are just strawmans, arguments from authority, and reductio ad absurdum.I'll also admit that I don't like how it tries to paint them as victims at the end. To me that comes across as tryhard.
I'm skeptical by nature. For better or worse.
It's fine that we disagree, though. I certainly wouldn't say you're wrong for believing what you do, I just personally don't buy into it as well.
Sadly, the entire event has been tarnished forever by retards spouting absolutely insane crap very loudly. Silly crap like mini-nukes, direct energy weapons, thermite paint, and even holograms only served to discredit anyone seeking actual answers. Maybe that was intentional?
Anyone, best of luck to you out there, man. Stay safe and healthy.
No foreknowledge
https://web.archive.org/web/20021003225412/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html
Why should I trust an antisemite that came up with this instead, when all the evidence, not even coming from intelligence agencies suggests foreknowledge is bunk?
A skeptic doesn't believe in conspiracy theories.
That is a nice change of pace in comparison to the others who have a tendency to subscribe to this nonsense. So, thank you, the feeling is mutual, stay safe and healthy.
Why would he be an antisemite for creating a report as a District Attorney?
I don't like the idea that anyone who criticizes Israel is somehow automatically an antisemite. That's nothing more than a tactic to shut down conversation or to discredit anyone that people don't like. To me, It's the same exact thing activists do.
If you don't want to believe him, you can believe Jewish people themselves, right? Two of the five Israelis showed up on a database of foreign intelligence operatives.
https://forward.com/news/325698/spy-rumors-fly-on-gusts-of-truth/
Your archive was pretty much covered in the previous link you already posted. It's still reliant on the FBI being forthcoming and honest, as already mentioned. It's certainly true that Israel, in cooperation with the US Government at times, has staged attacks in order to garner US support in helping them. It's also well known that they participate in aggressive (in comparison to other allied countries) spying activities on the US.
All skeptics are "conspiracy theorists." In fact, unless you follow the commonly believed narrative of any given topic, that's what you would be considered. To me, this is nothing more than you using an ad hominem. The use of denigrating labels is only used to discredit people -- nothing more.
I don't get it. I've been nothing but cordial and thought we were just having a conversation, but you seem to be getting increasingly salty -- like you're more concerned with "winning a fight" online than simply talking.
I don't believe it's crazy or out of the realm of possibility that Israel and the FBI/CIA would be fabricating a story -- especially when all of them have a history of being duplicitous and dishonest. It's most certainly not some indictment on the people of Israel or Jewish people as a whole either.
It's always my position that people should form their own views.
I personally believe there's a ton of crap surrounding the events of that day that we'll never know the truth about. I sure as hell don't trust the Government or Media to be the arbiters of truth. There's a massive amount of information out there, some of it ranging from absurd and ridiculous, and some of it pretty reliable.
Anyway, I'm not sure if I misinterpreted your intention or not, but it doesn't matter; it doesn't bother that much. Just a bit confused.
Thank you for the well wishes. Hope you're having a good evening, man. Stay positive.
Because most criticism of Israel is a veiled attack on Jews themselves. They simply use Israel as an excuse or a as a red herring for the real criticism.
I'm sorry, but all evidence points out no foreknowledge. Which suggests Israel had nothing to do with the attacks, and it was, in fact, caused by Bin Laden. Let me put it this way, if this was caused by Israel, there was bound to have been leaks of information and people coming out throughout the years. Nothing of this magnitude would survive the test of time, and not leak. If America had Snowden, and that other guy leaking information, a very controlled place and hired people, something like this, of this size, would have seen the day.
Nobody, nothing, zilch, nil, have come out, and all one has is conspiracy theories and misinterpreted news articles to support Israel's involvement. That's it.
Worse still, what has Israel benefited from all of this? Intifada, multiple terror attacks, more instability in the region.
For a skeptic, you need to ask these questions when analyzing conspiracy theories. The bigger the event, the more people it involves, the more possibilities of leaks and people coming out will be.
Such as?
Yes, you did, I attacked conspiracy theorists. Because despite all the evidence, some still prefer to believe in crazy stuff. That wasn't an attack towards you specifically.
You as well. Take care!
"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" was the "horse dewormer" of its day, a pithy dismissal thats bleeted by those who won't even try to understand the overall point.
Stopped caring after I saw Spike Lee.
True to form. Was he not whining about 'Islamophobia' a while back?
Spike Lee is a dumbass grifter just like the rest of his ilk, his talent seriously overblown. If he thought he was untouchable he was sadly mistaken, only a meager, low talent pawn.
Needs to play race card harder.