Because most criticism of Israel is a veiled attack on Jews themselves. They simply use Israel as an excuse or a as a red herring for the real criticism.
I'm sorry, but all evidence points out no foreknowledge. Which suggests Israel had nothing to do with the attacks, and it was, in fact, caused by Bin Laden. Let me put it this way, if this was caused by Israel, there was bound to have been leaks of information and people coming out throughout the years. Nothing of this magnitude would survive the test of time, and not leak. If America had Snowden, and that other guy leaking information, a very controlled place and hired people, something like this, of this size, would have seen the day.
Nobody, nothing, zilch, nil, have come out, and all one has is conspiracy theories and misinterpreted news articles to support Israel's involvement. That's it.
Worse still, what has Israel benefited from all of this? Intifada, multiple terror attacks, more instability in the region.
For a skeptic, you need to ask these questions when analyzing conspiracy theories. The bigger the event, the more people it involves, the more possibilities of leaks and people coming out will be.
It's certainly true that Israel, in cooperation with the US Government at times, has staged attacks in order to garner US support in helping them.
Such as?
Anyway, I'm not sure if I misinterpreted your intention or not, but it doesn't matter; it doesn't bother that much. Just a bit confused.
Yes, you did, I attacked conspiracy theorists. Because despite all the evidence, some still prefer to believe in crazy stuff. That wasn't an attack towards you specifically.
Hope you're having a good evening, man. Stay positive.
I'll reiterate, once again, that I'm not saying they had a role in facilitating the event. My position, and my only position, is that they knew beforehand, and it was undeniably in their own best interest not to warn about it. Israel is a country surrounded on all sides by enemies. Any opportunity they can take to reinforce support from their largest ally, the US, is one they would most certainly take. I don't know if I'm communicating that succinctly enough, but it seems there may be miscommunication where you believe I'm saying they had a hand in perpetrating it -- which I'm not. Israel benefited tremendously from those attacks, simply by having a massive US presence in the region. They also benefited by having a common enemy with the US, as well as the support of the American people to combat terrorist attacks.
I'm more concerned about history than whatever group identity feels offended. I feel like tribalism and group identities are a cancer that are destroying open dialogue and which are frequently used to shut down any sort conversation seeking to find out the truth in a world of corrupt media and cover-ups. Hell, there are entire organizations set up to deflect any criticism these days, which is nothing short of weaponizing identity for censorship. I'm not a fan, personally.
This website has an excellent timeline -- which goes into great depth and is very detailed -- on the events that took place and the people involved.
If you're interested in the history of it:
&nsbp;
It's a long read, but provides some excellent insight into things.
In regards to you query of "Such as," you can refer to that brief history I posted as a starting point. Each one has large amounts of information attached to them to sift through.
Sorry that I misinterpreted what you were going for. I'm a bit under the weather at the moment, so my brain feels a bit foggy. There definitely are a lot of nutty conspiracies surrounding what took place that day. It's pretty damn annoying. So many people are hyper-focused on the what and completely ignore the who -- which I feel is far more important. Their stupidity and asinine shenanigans make people ignore what should be pretty important questions. But like I said, maybe that's intended?
Hope your day is going well. Best regards, friend.
So far, none of the evidence supports it. And for them to know about it, then they must be connected to it. And nothing even comes close to suggest that.
Israel benefited tremendously from those attacks, simply by having a massive US presence in the region.
The region is even more unstable. If they benefited from it, I don't see how. After all, remember the first gulf war? Iraq launched rockets into Israel.
Interesting, but I have no time or eyeballs to read all that. As I hate reading long texts on a screen. It tire my eyes. Sorry.
But a cursory glance I can see multiple islamic and arabic names. Which is WHO did it. Blaming Jews, Israel, or similar, is just wrong, and it denigrates the victims of the attack. This was orchestrated by Bin Laden, and done by his followers. To prove a point, the entire event that led to them doing this can be traced, from training on flight schools to the moment they hit the planes on the towers. If this was done by Israelis, or even if only those dancing Israelis were connected or knew beforehand, information would be out there, and traced. And even the most well hidden operations leaks happen. For instance, the guy who shot Ashli Babbitt. Took 8 months or so for the guy to come out and take the "glory" for doing it. An operation of this size, and involving "Jews" or "Israelis" of any sort, there would have been many, and it would be bound for ONE to come out and support all the conspiracy theories that even mentions Jews or Israel.
Hope you feel better.
Maybe come back only when you get better. It helps if the brain is foggy not to focus on intensive tasks.
If you ever get time to give it a read, I hope you will. I keep stating that knowledge of something doesn't mean participation, and I firmly believe that. There are far more connections than you would think. They're not speculative connections either, but actual connections.
You can still hold your beliefs, but knowing everything that led up to the event, as well as the connections that all involved had, are critically important to getting a better grasp on the entirety of the events that took place that day. There's a myriad of information that's available out there; much of it is covered in long reads like what I linked. I enjoy knowing as much as I can about things. There are also quite a few people who have come forth with such information, it just doesn't necessarily get covered as it should. What's really messed up is what we talked about earlier, where the people who take it to absurd levels with holograms and space lasers and other such nonsense, that people dismiss information that's based solely on the facts that surrounded the events.
Thanks for the well wishes. As far as I can tell it's just a simple cold. Nothing too serious. I'm making sure to get plenty of rest — typing from bed is easy lol.
I'll probably make some soup later then find a good book to read. Enjoy your evening, man.
I understand. But unfortunately, something of this proportion that affected millions or billions of people worldwide. Containing it is nigh on impossible. I'm not American, wasn't in America when it happened and I still remember what I did and what happened that day. So you will have leaks, and people talking about their role, or even growing a conscience and doing data dumps. But nothing of the sort happened that even linked these Jews or Israel or Israelis to the terror attack.
And all countries spy on each other, even allies. Trust me, England spies on America, and America spies on England. But they still fight and benefit each other. Here's one simple example of benefits. America made the F-15, right? It was Israel that tested it in combat(also gave the best example of lifting body yet, as one F-15 landed with one main wing missing) and modified their F-15s that gave rise to the F-15E Strike Eagle. Here, this is the first operation the F-15 was used as an actual strike aircraft, and not an air-to-air superiority fighter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wooden_Leg
There are many other things Israel collaborates with America and gives research freely to America. The Iron dome is a good example. America bought one example which was used in Israel, and Israel got the other two(I think it was a total of 3 when it was first released). Now America has the knowhow.
Thank goodness it is just a cold, not the flu or the chinese cooties. I suggest a good night sleep, get something light for the brain, and plenty of rest.
Enjoy your soup!
I would say enjoy your evening, but I think, being sick enjoying is the last thing you will do! heh! So... get well soon!
Because most criticism of Israel is a veiled attack on Jews themselves. They simply use Israel as an excuse or a as a red herring for the real criticism.
I'm sorry, but all evidence points out no foreknowledge. Which suggests Israel had nothing to do with the attacks, and it was, in fact, caused by Bin Laden. Let me put it this way, if this was caused by Israel, there was bound to have been leaks of information and people coming out throughout the years. Nothing of this magnitude would survive the test of time, and not leak. If America had Snowden, and that other guy leaking information, a very controlled place and hired people, something like this, of this size, would have seen the day.
Nobody, nothing, zilch, nil, have come out, and all one has is conspiracy theories and misinterpreted news articles to support Israel's involvement. That's it.
Worse still, what has Israel benefited from all of this? Intifada, multiple terror attacks, more instability in the region.
For a skeptic, you need to ask these questions when analyzing conspiracy theories. The bigger the event, the more people it involves, the more possibilities of leaks and people coming out will be.
Such as?
Yes, you did, I attacked conspiracy theorists. Because despite all the evidence, some still prefer to believe in crazy stuff. That wasn't an attack towards you specifically.
You as well. Take care!
I'll reiterate, once again, that I'm not saying they had a role in facilitating the event. My position, and my only position, is that they knew beforehand, and it was undeniably in their own best interest not to warn about it. Israel is a country surrounded on all sides by enemies. Any opportunity they can take to reinforce support from their largest ally, the US, is one they would most certainly take. I don't know if I'm communicating that succinctly enough, but it seems there may be miscommunication where you believe I'm saying they had a hand in perpetrating it -- which I'm not. Israel benefited tremendously from those attacks, simply by having a massive US presence in the region. They also benefited by having a common enemy with the US, as well as the support of the American people to combat terrorist attacks.
I'm more concerned about history than whatever group identity feels offended. I feel like tribalism and group identities are a cancer that are destroying open dialogue and which are frequently used to shut down any sort conversation seeking to find out the truth in a world of corrupt media and cover-ups. Hell, there are entire organizations set up to deflect any criticism these days, which is nothing short of weaponizing identity for censorship. I'm not a fan, personally.
This website has an excellent timeline -- which goes into great depth and is very detailed -- on the events that took place and the people involved.
If you're interested in the history of it:
&nsbp;
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=911timeline
It's a long read, but provides some excellent insight into things.
In regards to you query of "Such as," you can refer to that brief history I posted as a starting point. Each one has large amounts of information attached to them to sift through.
Sorry that I misinterpreted what you were going for. I'm a bit under the weather at the moment, so my brain feels a bit foggy. There definitely are a lot of nutty conspiracies surrounding what took place that day. It's pretty damn annoying. So many people are hyper-focused on the what and completely ignore the who -- which I feel is far more important. Their stupidity and asinine shenanigans make people ignore what should be pretty important questions. But like I said, maybe that's intended?
Hope your day is going well. Best regards, friend.
So far, none of the evidence supports it. And for them to know about it, then they must be connected to it. And nothing even comes close to suggest that.
The region is even more unstable. If they benefited from it, I don't see how. After all, remember the first gulf war? Iraq launched rockets into Israel.
Interesting, but I have no time or eyeballs to read all that. As I hate reading long texts on a screen. It tire my eyes. Sorry.
But a cursory glance I can see multiple islamic and arabic names. Which is WHO did it. Blaming Jews, Israel, or similar, is just wrong, and it denigrates the victims of the attack. This was orchestrated by Bin Laden, and done by his followers. To prove a point, the entire event that led to them doing this can be traced, from training on flight schools to the moment they hit the planes on the towers. If this was done by Israelis, or even if only those dancing Israelis were connected or knew beforehand, information would be out there, and traced. And even the most well hidden operations leaks happen. For instance, the guy who shot Ashli Babbitt. Took 8 months or so for the guy to come out and take the "glory" for doing it. An operation of this size, and involving "Jews" or "Israelis" of any sort, there would have been many, and it would be bound for ONE to come out and support all the conspiracy theories that even mentions Jews or Israel.
Hope you feel better. Maybe come back only when you get better. It helps if the brain is foggy not to focus on intensive tasks.
If you ever get time to give it a read, I hope you will. I keep stating that knowledge of something doesn't mean participation, and I firmly believe that. There are far more connections than you would think. They're not speculative connections either, but actual connections.
You can still hold your beliefs, but knowing everything that led up to the event, as well as the connections that all involved had, are critically important to getting a better grasp on the entirety of the events that took place that day. There's a myriad of information that's available out there; much of it is covered in long reads like what I linked. I enjoy knowing as much as I can about things. There are also quite a few people who have come forth with such information, it just doesn't necessarily get covered as it should. What's really messed up is what we talked about earlier, where the people who take it to absurd levels with holograms and space lasers and other such nonsense, that people dismiss information that's based solely on the facts that surrounded the events.
Thanks for the well wishes. As far as I can tell it's just a simple cold. Nothing too serious. I'm making sure to get plenty of rest — typing from bed is easy lol.
I'll probably make some soup later then find a good book to read. Enjoy your evening, man.
I understand. But unfortunately, something of this proportion that affected millions or billions of people worldwide. Containing it is nigh on impossible. I'm not American, wasn't in America when it happened and I still remember what I did and what happened that day. So you will have leaks, and people talking about their role, or even growing a conscience and doing data dumps. But nothing of the sort happened that even linked these Jews or Israel or Israelis to the terror attack.
And all countries spy on each other, even allies. Trust me, England spies on America, and America spies on England. But they still fight and benefit each other. Here's one simple example of benefits. America made the F-15, right? It was Israel that tested it in combat(also gave the best example of lifting body yet, as one F-15 landed with one main wing missing) and modified their F-15s that gave rise to the F-15E Strike Eagle. Here, this is the first operation the F-15 was used as an actual strike aircraft, and not an air-to-air superiority fighter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wooden_Leg
There are many other things Israel collaborates with America and gives research freely to America. The Iron dome is a good example. America bought one example which was used in Israel, and Israel got the other two(I think it was a total of 3 when it was first released). Now America has the knowhow.
Thank goodness it is just a cold, not the flu or the chinese cooties. I suggest a good night sleep, get something light for the brain, and plenty of rest.
Enjoy your soup!
I would say enjoy your evening, but I think, being sick enjoying is the last thing you will do! heh! So... get well soon!