I believe that page is just as speculative and and opinionated as those who believe otherwise.
In essence, much of it is offering different interpretations of events.
At no point am I saying they're responsible for what happened, but I would suggest that very likely at least had some foreknowledge of what would occur.
There's a memorandum not mentioned in your link sent to the 9/11 commission by a man named Gerald Shea that would suggest the same as well.
https://www.scribd.com/document/66321077/Gerald-Shea-Memo-to-the-9-11-Commission
Given Israel's history, (as briefly shown in that history graphic) it would be difficult to believe they'd be honest about involvement in such things. I'm of the belief that they did know beforehand.
A lot of the "debunk" relies on the alphabet agencies being forthcoming and truthful about what they tell people. Given what we've seen the last few years from these same groups, their credibility in my eyes is complete trash. They're in the business of lies and cover-ups.
Attributing their behavior to "immature conduct," as the official belief goes, is silly to me. I also don't buy the excuse of "now they know what we go through." People don't celebrate other people's misery because it validates their own.
Although I've seen the page you linked before, and it provides a nice aggregation of information, the interpretations by whomever is writing the opinions are just strawmans, arguments from authority, and reductio ad absurdum.I'll also admit that I don't like how it tries to paint them as victims at the end. To me that comes across as tryhard.
I'm skeptical by nature. For better or worse.
It's fine that we disagree, though. I certainly wouldn't say you're wrong for believing what you do, I just personally don't buy into it as well.
Sadly, the entire event has been tarnished forever by retards spouting absolutely insane crap very loudly. Silly crap like mini-nukes, direct energy weapons, thermite paint, and even holograms only served to discredit anyone seeking actual answers. Maybe that was intentional?
Anyone, best of luck to you out there, man. Stay safe and healthy.
At no point am I saying they're responsible for what happened, but I would suggest that very likely at least had some foreknowledge of what would occur.
A lot of the "debunk" relies on the alphabet agencies being forthcoming and truthful about what they tell people. Given what we've seen the last few years from these same groups, their credibility in my eyes is complete trash.
Why should I trust an antisemite that came up with this instead, when all the evidence, not even coming from intelligence agencies suggests foreknowledge is bunk?
I'm skeptical by nature. For better or worse.
A skeptic doesn't believe in conspiracy theories.
Anyone, best of luck to you out there, man. Stay safe and healthy.
That is a nice change of pace in comparison to the others who have a tendency to subscribe to this nonsense. So, thank you, the feeling is mutual, stay safe and healthy.
Why would he be an antisemite for creating a report as a District Attorney?
I don't like the idea that anyone who criticizes Israel is somehow automatically an antisemite. That's nothing more than a tactic to shut down conversation or to discredit anyone that people don't like. To me, It's the same exact thing activists do.
Your archive was pretty much covered in the previous link you already posted. It's still reliant on the FBI being forthcoming and honest, as already mentioned. It's certainly true that Israel, in cooperation with the US Government at times, has staged attacks in order to garner US support in helping them. It's also well known that they participate in aggressive (in comparison to other allied countries) spying activities on the US.
All skeptics are "conspiracy theorists." In fact, unless you follow the commonly believed narrative of any given topic, that's what you would be considered. To me, this is nothing more than you using an ad hominem. The use of denigrating labels is only used to discredit people -- nothing more.
I don't get it. I've been nothing but cordial and thought we were just having a conversation, but you seem to be getting increasingly salty -- like you're more concerned with "winning a fight" online than simply talking.
I don't believe it's crazy or out of the realm of possibility that Israel and the FBI/CIA would be fabricating a story -- especially when all of them have a history of being duplicitous and dishonest. It's most certainly not some indictment on the people of Israel or Jewish people as a whole either.
It's always my position that people should form their own views.
I personally believe there's a ton of crap surrounding the events of that day that we'll never know the truth about. I sure as hell don't trust the Government or Media to be the arbiters of truth. There's a massive amount of information out there, some of it ranging from absurd and ridiculous, and some of it pretty reliable.
Anyway, I'm not sure if I misinterpreted your intention or not, but it doesn't matter; it doesn't bother that much. Just a bit confused.
Thank you for the well wishes. Hope you're having a good evening, man. Stay positive.
Because most criticism of Israel is a veiled attack on Jews themselves. They simply use Israel as an excuse or a as a red herring for the real criticism.
I'm sorry, but all evidence points out no foreknowledge. Which suggests Israel had nothing to do with the attacks, and it was, in fact, caused by Bin Laden. Let me put it this way, if this was caused by Israel, there was bound to have been leaks of information and people coming out throughout the years. Nothing of this magnitude would survive the test of time, and not leak. If America had Snowden, and that other guy leaking information, a very controlled place and hired people, something like this, of this size, would have seen the day.
Nobody, nothing, zilch, nil, have come out, and all one has is conspiracy theories and misinterpreted news articles to support Israel's involvement. That's it.
Worse still, what has Israel benefited from all of this? Intifada, multiple terror attacks, more instability in the region.
For a skeptic, you need to ask these questions when analyzing conspiracy theories. The bigger the event, the more people it involves, the more possibilities of leaks and people coming out will be.
It's certainly true that Israel, in cooperation with the US Government at times, has staged attacks in order to garner US support in helping them.
Such as?
Anyway, I'm not sure if I misinterpreted your intention or not, but it doesn't matter; it doesn't bother that much. Just a bit confused.
Yes, you did, I attacked conspiracy theorists. Because despite all the evidence, some still prefer to believe in crazy stuff. That wasn't an attack towards you specifically.
Hope you're having a good evening, man. Stay positive.
I'll reiterate, once again, that I'm not saying they had a role in facilitating the event. My position, and my only position, is that they knew beforehand, and it was undeniably in their own best interest not to warn about it. Israel is a country surrounded on all sides by enemies. Any opportunity they can take to reinforce support from their largest ally, the US, is one they would most certainly take. I don't know if I'm communicating that succinctly enough, but it seems there may be miscommunication where you believe I'm saying they had a hand in perpetrating it -- which I'm not. Israel benefited tremendously from those attacks, simply by having a massive US presence in the region. They also benefited by having a common enemy with the US, as well as the support of the American people to combat terrorist attacks.
I'm more concerned about history than whatever group identity feels offended. I feel like tribalism and group identities are a cancer that are destroying open dialogue and which are frequently used to shut down any sort conversation seeking to find out the truth in a world of corrupt media and cover-ups. Hell, there are entire organizations set up to deflect any criticism these days, which is nothing short of weaponizing identity for censorship. I'm not a fan, personally.
This website has an excellent timeline -- which goes into great depth and is very detailed -- on the events that took place and the people involved.
If you're interested in the history of it:
&nsbp;
It's a long read, but provides some excellent insight into things.
In regards to you query of "Such as," you can refer to that brief history I posted as a starting point. Each one has large amounts of information attached to them to sift through.
Sorry that I misinterpreted what you were going for. I'm a bit under the weather at the moment, so my brain feels a bit foggy. There definitely are a lot of nutty conspiracies surrounding what took place that day. It's pretty damn annoying. So many people are hyper-focused on the what and completely ignore the who -- which I feel is far more important. Their stupidity and asinine shenanigans make people ignore what should be pretty important questions. But like I said, maybe that's intended?
Hope your day is going well. Best regards, friend.
I believe that page is just as speculative and and opinionated as those who believe otherwise.
In essence, much of it is offering different interpretations of events.
At no point am I saying they're responsible for what happened, but I would suggest that very likely at least had some foreknowledge of what would occur.
There's a memorandum not mentioned in your link sent to the 9/11 commission by a man named Gerald Shea that would suggest the same as well. https://www.scribd.com/document/66321077/Gerald-Shea-Memo-to-the-9-11-Commission
Given Israel's history, (as briefly shown in that history graphic) it would be difficult to believe they'd be honest about involvement in such things. I'm of the belief that they did know beforehand.
A lot of the "debunk" relies on the alphabet agencies being forthcoming and truthful about what they tell people. Given what we've seen the last few years from these same groups, their credibility in my eyes is complete trash. They're in the business of lies and cover-ups.
Attributing their behavior to "immature conduct," as the official belief goes, is silly to me. I also don't buy the excuse of "now they know what we go through." People don't celebrate other people's misery because it validates their own.
Although I've seen the page you linked before, and it provides a nice aggregation of information, the interpretations by whomever is writing the opinions are just strawmans, arguments from authority, and reductio ad absurdum.I'll also admit that I don't like how it tries to paint them as victims at the end. To me that comes across as tryhard.
I'm skeptical by nature. For better or worse.
It's fine that we disagree, though. I certainly wouldn't say you're wrong for believing what you do, I just personally don't buy into it as well.
Sadly, the entire event has been tarnished forever by retards spouting absolutely insane crap very loudly. Silly crap like mini-nukes, direct energy weapons, thermite paint, and even holograms only served to discredit anyone seeking actual answers. Maybe that was intentional?
Anyone, best of luck to you out there, man. Stay safe and healthy.
No foreknowledge
https://web.archive.org/web/20021003225412/http:/abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html
Why should I trust an antisemite that came up with this instead, when all the evidence, not even coming from intelligence agencies suggests foreknowledge is bunk?
A skeptic doesn't believe in conspiracy theories.
That is a nice change of pace in comparison to the others who have a tendency to subscribe to this nonsense. So, thank you, the feeling is mutual, stay safe and healthy.
Why would he be an antisemite for creating a report as a District Attorney?
I don't like the idea that anyone who criticizes Israel is somehow automatically an antisemite. That's nothing more than a tactic to shut down conversation or to discredit anyone that people don't like. To me, It's the same exact thing activists do.
If you don't want to believe him, you can believe Jewish people themselves, right? Two of the five Israelis showed up on a database of foreign intelligence operatives.
https://forward.com/news/325698/spy-rumors-fly-on-gusts-of-truth/
Your archive was pretty much covered in the previous link you already posted. It's still reliant on the FBI being forthcoming and honest, as already mentioned. It's certainly true that Israel, in cooperation with the US Government at times, has staged attacks in order to garner US support in helping them. It's also well known that they participate in aggressive (in comparison to other allied countries) spying activities on the US.
All skeptics are "conspiracy theorists." In fact, unless you follow the commonly believed narrative of any given topic, that's what you would be considered. To me, this is nothing more than you using an ad hominem. The use of denigrating labels is only used to discredit people -- nothing more.
I don't get it. I've been nothing but cordial and thought we were just having a conversation, but you seem to be getting increasingly salty -- like you're more concerned with "winning a fight" online than simply talking.
I don't believe it's crazy or out of the realm of possibility that Israel and the FBI/CIA would be fabricating a story -- especially when all of them have a history of being duplicitous and dishonest. It's most certainly not some indictment on the people of Israel or Jewish people as a whole either.
It's always my position that people should form their own views.
I personally believe there's a ton of crap surrounding the events of that day that we'll never know the truth about. I sure as hell don't trust the Government or Media to be the arbiters of truth. There's a massive amount of information out there, some of it ranging from absurd and ridiculous, and some of it pretty reliable.
Anyway, I'm not sure if I misinterpreted your intention or not, but it doesn't matter; it doesn't bother that much. Just a bit confused.
Thank you for the well wishes. Hope you're having a good evening, man. Stay positive.
Because most criticism of Israel is a veiled attack on Jews themselves. They simply use Israel as an excuse or a as a red herring for the real criticism.
I'm sorry, but all evidence points out no foreknowledge. Which suggests Israel had nothing to do with the attacks, and it was, in fact, caused by Bin Laden. Let me put it this way, if this was caused by Israel, there was bound to have been leaks of information and people coming out throughout the years. Nothing of this magnitude would survive the test of time, and not leak. If America had Snowden, and that other guy leaking information, a very controlled place and hired people, something like this, of this size, would have seen the day.
Nobody, nothing, zilch, nil, have come out, and all one has is conspiracy theories and misinterpreted news articles to support Israel's involvement. That's it.
Worse still, what has Israel benefited from all of this? Intifada, multiple terror attacks, more instability in the region.
For a skeptic, you need to ask these questions when analyzing conspiracy theories. The bigger the event, the more people it involves, the more possibilities of leaks and people coming out will be.
Such as?
Yes, you did, I attacked conspiracy theorists. Because despite all the evidence, some still prefer to believe in crazy stuff. That wasn't an attack towards you specifically.
You as well. Take care!
I'll reiterate, once again, that I'm not saying they had a role in facilitating the event. My position, and my only position, is that they knew beforehand, and it was undeniably in their own best interest not to warn about it. Israel is a country surrounded on all sides by enemies. Any opportunity they can take to reinforce support from their largest ally, the US, is one they would most certainly take. I don't know if I'm communicating that succinctly enough, but it seems there may be miscommunication where you believe I'm saying they had a hand in perpetrating it -- which I'm not. Israel benefited tremendously from those attacks, simply by having a massive US presence in the region. They also benefited by having a common enemy with the US, as well as the support of the American people to combat terrorist attacks.
I'm more concerned about history than whatever group identity feels offended. I feel like tribalism and group identities are a cancer that are destroying open dialogue and which are frequently used to shut down any sort conversation seeking to find out the truth in a world of corrupt media and cover-ups. Hell, there are entire organizations set up to deflect any criticism these days, which is nothing short of weaponizing identity for censorship. I'm not a fan, personally.
This website has an excellent timeline -- which goes into great depth and is very detailed -- on the events that took place and the people involved.
If you're interested in the history of it:
&nsbp;
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=911timeline
It's a long read, but provides some excellent insight into things.
In regards to you query of "Such as," you can refer to that brief history I posted as a starting point. Each one has large amounts of information attached to them to sift through.
Sorry that I misinterpreted what you were going for. I'm a bit under the weather at the moment, so my brain feels a bit foggy. There definitely are a lot of nutty conspiracies surrounding what took place that day. It's pretty damn annoying. So many people are hyper-focused on the what and completely ignore the who -- which I feel is far more important. Their stupidity and asinine shenanigans make people ignore what should be pretty important questions. But like I said, maybe that's intended?
Hope your day is going well. Best regards, friend.