'Ronajab is 100% safe: We know through VARS it isn't, but whatever, some people hold this position. Obviously, if this situation is true, no problems! Even if there are minor problems, 95% survival rate means half the country isn't going to die, only 5% of it is, so your worry would, strictly speaking, be overblown.
'Ronajab is gov't depopulation plot: You don't kill with injections, you do that with bullets. You STERILIZE with injections, as Canada knows from all the ones it has done on its own native peoples. If that is their aim, half the world ain't dying in a decade, as it would impact birth rates, not death rates.
'Ronajab is highly untested and leads to many ailments: If it leads to cancers, those will usually take more than a decade to show. Even smoking, which is basically direct carcinogen insertion, takes multiple decades in most. There's a gradiant, of course, some sooner than others, but if it were 2 years, that "sooner" would be now visible. Other ailments may be faster, but again, there's ranges to these things because people have different makeups, it would be longer term than 2 years for sure.
'Ronajab is "safe" in the same way Thaliomide was "safe", passing on the horrific side effects to the yet unborn: Much like #2, while this is horrific birth defects and population mutilation, it is not the death of the currently living.
So, the problem that I keep running into with the sterilization scenario is that the only people who will not be sterilized would be the types who trust the government the least. It would seem to be counter-intuitive in the long run.
Here's a fun update on the conspiracy theory then:
COVID antibody tests do not detect the vaccine's presence. The vaccine does not make COVID antibodies, straight up. Several labs have this in their antibody test disclaimers. It might make something that helps fight the 'rona, but it isn't an antibody.
The USA was doing gain-of-function and bioweapons research in that Coronavirus Gain Of Function lab that totally had nothing to do with a Coronavirus gaining function. Also fact.
You can reasonably assume the US government doesn't do things in tiny, singular batches, so there's likely at least a half dozen other labs also doing it. Theory, but reasonable theory.
Thus: The vaccine isn't for THIS virus. After all, it doesn't even give you any detectable antibodies! Clearly, it's for the next one. Then everyone who wasn't a good sheep dies off.
How's that for an update to the conspiracy theory to mke it mesh with your issues about counter-intuitiveness? The fun thing with conspiracy theories is you're allowed to inject a random outside variable like that.
Possibility? Yes. Likely? No. It would require too many people to be quiet. You can silence people pretty easily, but at the same time, the moment a word is spoken aloud, it can't be taken back. We know the contents of random laptops of children of politicians and their quid pro quo affairs, we know how generals intentionally lied to Trump and disobeyed orders. Both resulted in no punishments or legal actions, but we do KNOW of them. Punishment and justice are very, very rare. But knowledge is very common.
Even if not a whistleblower, someone would be a moron and make a "apocalypse selfie" on instagram or something. Because people are very, very stupid. Too many moving parts, something's going to squeak.
So possible, sure, but not likely. It would take a large number of highly educated hypervigilant zealots who have no leaks via morality OR moronity.
Which could happen! Especially in China! But even then, we know the IDs and names of every scientist in Wuhan, despite China suppressing that info since day negative sixty.
Thanks. So under that line of reasoning, there may not even be a population control aspect or anything intentionally nefarious to the vaccine - it is just a big money making scheme?
Using a vaccine for any of the conspiratorial purposes seems counter-intuitive to any ill ends. Unless they really wanted to purge the sheeple of the world, but that just doesn't seem wise/likely.
A manufactured virus called Shiva a bunch of eco-terrorists were going to release. They made a fake vaccine to give to everyone and then a real one for themselves.
The former KGB agent they used to run ops ratted them out to rainbow
Not really counter intuitive, imo. The thing keeping dissidents safe is that they have a massive crowd to hide in. If the crowd is gone, dissidents can be spotted much more easily since they don't have anyone to hide behind
We know it’s cytotoxic so doesn’t that indicate death within a couple years?
Alternatively, what do you think of u/DefinitelyNotIGN comment below if it potentially protecting people against a virus they will release this winter and kill off all the unvaccinated?
Edit: didn’t realize you made both comments but still interested in your opinion.
Essentially the worse it gets the more people will insist you take it because admitting it's dangerous would be admitting that they, me speaking, truly are the idiots we label them as, and psychologically its easier to cope with sending us all into the grinder instead pf admitting fault and dealing with the lifelong repercussions that could have been avoided
I think china bluffed the world into overcorecting a mild cough and the combined might of social justice double down + national optics means they can never admit it, just double down and insist you get the jab
Variants are all just a continuation of that. "Oh its actually lethal now see we needed that jab Xi you didn't outsmart us!"
if the vaccine is a depopulation scheme it's a very poorly thought out one, since they're killing off those inclined to follow and leaving only those inclined to disobey
It’s been discussed here how the elite also despise the sheep and eaters, and they find us amusing Abdul useful, so they actually would prefer a future society with us and not the sheep/eaters.
It doesnt really matter. There is obviously a financial incentive for them wanting you to take it, there is also an control aspect in wanting full compliance to their whims. The fact is they really want you to take it, so that should be enough of a reason to not take it.
The situation you suggest is improbable.
Four commonly held internet position scenarios:
'Ronajab is 100% safe: We know through VARS it isn't, but whatever, some people hold this position. Obviously, if this situation is true, no problems! Even if there are minor problems, 95% survival rate means half the country isn't going to die, only 5% of it is, so your worry would, strictly speaking, be overblown.
'Ronajab is gov't depopulation plot: You don't kill with injections, you do that with bullets. You STERILIZE with injections, as Canada knows from all the ones it has done on its own native peoples. If that is their aim, half the world ain't dying in a decade, as it would impact birth rates, not death rates.
'Ronajab is highly untested and leads to many ailments: If it leads to cancers, those will usually take more than a decade to show. Even smoking, which is basically direct carcinogen insertion, takes multiple decades in most. There's a gradiant, of course, some sooner than others, but if it were 2 years, that "sooner" would be now visible. Other ailments may be faster, but again, there's ranges to these things because people have different makeups, it would be longer term than 2 years for sure.
'Ronajab is "safe" in the same way Thaliomide was "safe", passing on the horrific side effects to the yet unborn: Much like #2, while this is horrific birth defects and population mutilation, it is not the death of the currently living.
So, the problem that I keep running into with the sterilization scenario is that the only people who will not be sterilized would be the types who trust the government the least. It would seem to be counter-intuitive in the long run.
Here's a fun update on the conspiracy theory then:
COVID antibody tests do not detect the vaccine's presence. The vaccine does not make COVID antibodies, straight up. Several labs have this in their antibody test disclaimers. It might make something that helps fight the 'rona, but it isn't an antibody.
The USA was doing gain-of-function and bioweapons research in that Coronavirus Gain Of Function lab that totally had nothing to do with a Coronavirus gaining function. Also fact.
You can reasonably assume the US government doesn't do things in tiny, singular batches, so there's likely at least a half dozen other labs also doing it. Theory, but reasonable theory.
Thus: The vaccine isn't for THIS virus. After all, it doesn't even give you any detectable antibodies! Clearly, it's for the next one. Then everyone who wasn't a good sheep dies off.
How's that for an update to the conspiracy theory to mke it mesh with your issues about counter-intuitiveness? The fun thing with conspiracy theories is you're allowed to inject a random outside variable like that.
Rumsfeld was right about the problem of unknown unknowns.
I’ve actually worried about this.
Do you think this is a legit possibility?
Possibility? Yes. Likely? No. It would require too many people to be quiet. You can silence people pretty easily, but at the same time, the moment a word is spoken aloud, it can't be taken back. We know the contents of random laptops of children of politicians and their quid pro quo affairs, we know how generals intentionally lied to Trump and disobeyed orders. Both resulted in no punishments or legal actions, but we do KNOW of them. Punishment and justice are very, very rare. But knowledge is very common.
Even if not a whistleblower, someone would be a moron and make a "apocalypse selfie" on instagram or something. Because people are very, very stupid. Too many moving parts, something's going to squeak.
So possible, sure, but not likely. It would take a large number of highly educated hypervigilant zealots who have no leaks via morality OR moronity.
Which could happen! Especially in China! But even then, we know the IDs and names of every scientist in Wuhan, despite China suppressing that info since day negative sixty.
Thanks. So under that line of reasoning, there may not even be a population control aspect or anything intentionally nefarious to the vaccine - it is just a big money making scheme?
That seems like the most logical conclusion, but by no means is there sufficient evidence yet to declare it the accurate one.
Using a vaccine for any of the conspiratorial purposes seems counter-intuitive to any ill ends. Unless they really wanted to purge the sheeple of the world, but that just doesn't seem wise/likely.
The only conspiracy thay works is that it's not a vax for this disease but the next much more deadly disease.
The original Rainbow 6 novel had a similar plot.
been a looooong time since i read that. it was the airborne hyper-ebola, right?
Ok that freaked me out. One of the scientist accused of possibly stealing stuff from Canadian labs also worked on Ebola.
A manufactured virus called Shiva a bunch of eco-terrorists were going to release. They made a fake vaccine to give to everyone and then a real one for themselves.
The former KGB agent they used to run ops ratted them out to rainbow
When has that ever stopped satanic pedophiles? We are ruled by the kinds of people that seriously believe in MMT.
Unless we've misunderstood their motives the entire time.
Wait, I figured it out!
Q WAS RIGHT THE WHOLE TIEM! THIS IS HOW WE FINALLY DEFEAT THE EVIL PROGRESSIVES! TRUST THE PLAN!
Not really counter intuitive, imo. The thing keeping dissidents safe is that they have a massive crowd to hide in. If the crowd is gone, dissidents can be spotted much more easily since they don't have anyone to hide behind
We know it’s cytotoxic so doesn’t that indicate death within a couple years?
Alternatively, what do you think of u/DefinitelyNotIGN comment below if it potentially protecting people against a virus they will release this winter and kill off all the unvaccinated?
Edit: didn’t realize you made both comments but still interested in your opinion.
VAERS now says roughly 7k deaths but everyone knows they underreport.
Essentially the worse it gets the more people will insist you take it because admitting it's dangerous would be admitting that they, me speaking, truly are the idiots we label them as, and psychologically its easier to cope with sending us all into the grinder instead pf admitting fault and dealing with the lifelong repercussions that could have been avoided
I buy into that partially
I think china bluffed the world into overcorecting a mild cough and the combined might of social justice double down + national optics means they can never admit it, just double down and insist you get the jab
Variants are all just a continuation of that. "Oh its actually lethal now see we needed that jab Xi you didn't outsmart us!"
if the vaccine is a depopulation scheme it's a very poorly thought out one, since they're killing off those inclined to follow and leaving only those inclined to disobey
It’s been discussed here how the elite also despise the sheep and eaters, and they find us amusing Abdul useful, so they actually would prefer a future society with us and not the sheep/eaters.
It doesnt really matter. There is obviously a financial incentive for them wanting you to take it, there is also an control aspect in wanting full compliance to their whims. The fact is they really want you to take it, so that should be enough of a reason to not take it.