This came to mind reading the thread about Chris Avellone's metoo response.
His accuser: https://miro.medium.com/max/1310/1*FFIXCEmICYAr1-XjH5GlLw.png
8 years ago, she superficially seems fairly normal, kind of cute. Today her twitter has BLM fists, WEARAMASK, pronouns in bio, danger hair, anti-fascist, anti-racist, resists, yadda yadda. You name it, she's got it. Her profile pic is deliberately a picture that makes her look like rabidly angry harridan. (She's also protected her tweets as of today.)
We all know the SJW movement is female driven. I think even SJWs admit that.
What happened to this girl in the last 8 years? Has she realized that society sucks? That her own life sucks? Her obsession with cons, consumerism, and then social justice has left her feeling empty?
Isn't that basically the MGTOW/Incel position? Society and my life sucks, and I'm checking out.
So... are SJWs basically the equivalent of MGTOW and Incels? Are SJWs the female expression of "my life sucks and society sucks and I don't know what to do about it."?
I guess the difference would be that many parts of MGTOW are ostensibly about internal self-improvement, while SJWs' focus is entirely external -- "improving" society.
Side note: "Femcel" is an impossible thing. For any female who wants to get some, there is a male thirsty enough to do it
No, there's no such thing. MGTOW is a response to what women are, and what they do to innocent people.
These people are just fucking sadists. They hold the mask for a while to get into people's trust, then drop it hard and go all out attack.
I'm not a fan of anyone who chooses to identify as incel -- MGTOW I have no problem with, and I think many people can benefit from the emphasis on self improvement. I've been rightly corrected that incel != MGTOW, and there's not much of an overlap.
I think it's more than that too. It's performative justice. Generally, every additional word you have to add to describe something makes it less important and less real. Social justice? I care about JUSTICE. Racial equity? What's wrong with EQUITY.
Equity is a communist lie. Equality is a lie. These are values of communists and losers at the game of life.
So let's say "you" are genuinely an incel -- meaning you seriously can't get laid, for whatever reason.
Why make that your defining characteristic? Why spend your life obsessing over that fact? Move on. Hell, hire a prostitute. It seems to me as if incels are putting pussy on a pedestal.
People have natural sexual urge, so it is not possible to move on. Not everyone can afford prostitutes.
Completely false.
Human history is filled with examples of people trying and succeeding with varying success in channeling sexuality into other endeavors. Some of the greatest scientists and artists in history have been sexually unsuccessful.
You can always become a monk, hermit, stylite, and so forth. It's the involuntary part that is lame. You put pussy on a pedestal and then cry that you are helpless.
I like how someone else said that incels are just the ultimate final form of white knights.
Complete insanity.
Apparently, in your mind a robbery is no longer a robbery if you decide to give the robber your money. And you are no longer in involuntary celibate if you just decide to voluntarily live in celibacy.
What if I told you there are people who don't want to live in celibacy, and don't want to channel their sexuality into other endeavors?
I'm not deep into MGTOW. TRP people always seemed to talk about a difference in how women are and what society allows. That is, traditional Western society (Christianity) and traditional cultures literally everywhere in the world (Muslim, Buddhist, Chinese, African tribal -- anywhere) laid out strict gender-based roles, duties, and obligations. Society tried to control sexual promiscuity (hypergamy), spousal role (branch swinging), etc.
I'm not saying I agree / disagree with any of that in particular, but isn't one of the big complaints that society now ALLOWS women specifically to be unencumbered with these rules, always getting the pussy pass, while limiting what men can do?
So isn't MGTOW really a societal complaint?
Would you be MGTOW in a 1900s era conservative society?
Yeah, pretty much. Women are actually fine, nothing wrong with them. Unrestrained women in control of a society is the problem. Patriarchy was a reasonable compromise between the sexes so that each got what they wanted (more or less), and the least amount of harm was done. Yeah, in a reasonable society women are fine.
TRP used to be my ideological allies for a while, but I grew up a little and realized risking everything to get laid is not a great plan.
Would I? Depends. Do I know what I know now? I've said multiple times how even the hardest patriarchy ever created wouldn't be enough for me to trust, let alone forgive our "better halves".
TRP already sees society at irredeemable. They basically state the world is burning and might as well fuck on the way down.
But then you went insane? Yeah, we know.
Get married or shut up, wannabe tradcuck.
"Incel" was coined by a woman in the first place who ran a blog about her own life and others; "Alanna's Involuntary Celibate Blog"
Hah! I had no idea...
It's certainly drifted/evolved to become a gendered insult these days however both it's origin and core meaning are something that seem to be lost at times.
That would include things like 'deadbedrooms' where marriages/relationships lose any sexual intimacy as again the dichotomy is as you've mentioned a thing where women can far more easily get some by putting in the littlest effort.
That is just an issue of market economics. Even when there are buyers and sellers doesn't mean the buyers can find the sellers of what they want. It's easier for women but many have very specific expectations. That's also true for many incels. They could get some if they lowered their standards.
(sorry for the double reply but I don't trust Win's edit feature)
The Cult of Critical Social Justice makes people legitimately mentally ill.
Remember this quote from Anita S?
This is called "critical consciousness" in Critical Theory derived "disciplines."
This means you recognize that:
...are all irredeemably corrupted by systemic cisheteronormative patriarchal oppression, and it all must be dismantled to make way for an impossible to achieve utopian fantasy (Liberation).
Reality is denied. All the hardwired biological drives you have that keep humanity going — to attract a mate, to raise a family, to work, to create — all are merely oppressive social constructs which must be dismantled.
Instead, your worst human impulses are rewarded — tribalism, vandalism, resentment, destruction, emotional incontinence, narcissistic, performative displays of rage, grief, and self-righteousness.
You're living in a constant state of psychosis. Everything is inverted. Beauty is ugly. Good is evil. Freedom is slavery.
This is why these people are always so miserable.
I suppose you're just thinking allowed, but conflating MGTOW and incels sounds exactly like what a radfem would do. Or how communists call everyone right of Stalin a right-wing reactionary.
Not saying one is better than the other, but they are distinct movements only linked by being enemies/victims of feminism.
Yeah, I was thinking out loud. I have definitely somewhat conflated incel and MGTOW, or I guess my main exposure to MGTOW was redpill.
I guess I would say that the root cause of MGTOW and incel is the same, but the end results are different.
Before I would compare them to the SJW position, I would separate the two.
MGTOW is learning to politely but firmly say "No thank you" to what you perceive as a bad deal, and walking away.
Incel on the other hand, I would liken to wallowing in self-pity as you descend further and further down an endless spiral of despair.
The average rank and file SJW I see as having a noble goal in mind, but they are invested into an ideology that has no plan to solve any of the problems they claim to want to fix. Instead of tackling the causes of the problems, they attack whoever is their political opponent, and rationalise their hypocrisy through cognitive dissonance.
I can see the parallels between Incels and SJWs — they are both unhappy with the world, and they both blame "The Other" for all the ills of society. However, the incels harbour a seemingly unassailable sense of learned helplessness, whilst the SJWs have managed to gain the favour of every mainstream institution, yet still consider themselves plucky underdog rebels fighting against "The Man".
Compared to MGTOW, I can't really see much from my point of view. The textbook sample of MGTOW are staying inconspicuous, keeping to themselves, and quietly trying to improve their own lives as best they can. The SJWs on the other hand, seemingly have to proselytize and partake in the congregation's chorus to ensure that they remain eligible to stay as members of The Right Side of History. Instead of self-introspection to evaluate whether what they are doing is improving their lives, they do as they are told because their authority figures have told them that it is For The Greater Good™.
Women run society. She may be a loser in the female hierarchy but she still enjoys her dominate position over men in society. Try openly talking about how fucked it is for young men anywhere normies talk and see what happens.
MGTOW is just what the name suggests: men recognizing society is fucked, women are in control and fully unrestrained, and involving yourself with them financially (marriage) is suicide. So move on, live the best life you are able, maybe look at a more reasonable country to immigrate to.
Incels are just low-tier men that lost in the male hierarchy game and are endlessly butthurt over it but still buy into the bluepill lie. They'd be cucks and white knights if anyone asked them to. no one will. that's the source of their buttpain.
That's just basically feminism. They aren't sexually alone, they're morally and spiritually alone. That's why they try to force others to conform to their insanity.
Crazy cat lady?
That's highly likely just due to toxo since cats are an obligate host for the parasite that causes it
No.
Legbeards
Yes.
That's why they're obsessed with them. They're the opposite-gender equivalent of the things they hate about themselves.
"Women Going Their Own Way" sure fits doesn't it?
Incel seems wrong because they can get laid but for women it's a different issue. Their sex can't get a relationship, or they can't get sex that doesn't disgust them, by this I mean their sexuality is like stuck at a 5 years old immense disgust towards private parts coming together and it never ages into adolescence where some sex is good and some is bad. It's just stuck. Forever. They're carrying around this body part that other people use and talk about and love and it just causes them self-hatred and they turn into IF I CAN'T HAVE ENJOYABLE SEX THEN NO ONE ELSE CAN EITHER!!!