From the perspective of Kia2, what is worse:
Insulting people based on their ethnic identity or to deny that their identity even exists?
Like say you insulted all chinese people versus saying that there is no such thing as a chinese person.
What is more hostile towards Chinese people from this communitys perspective?
I can't say I speak for the community but you present a false dichotomy, which in and of itself is the obvious trap-laying leftist tactic. Like saying All lives matter makes you a racist, when you're trying to express the universal value of human life. I'm not playing these stupid childish games. They're boring and the outcome is predictable.
I'm presenting two statements. Which one is worse?
Did you mean to reply neither?
If so, mind explaining?
No, he means BOTH.
As in BOTH ARE BEHAVIORS OF SHITTY PEOPLE.
Both can be shitty but which is worse?
Put it to you like this. Thought experiments can have extraordinary value. Some thought experiments have zero value. You have created the latter.
There is no imaginary scale.
And the compulsion to arbitrarily quantify things is a behavioral marker of high functioning autism, just FYI.
not sure OP deserves that much credit
"west taiwan sure is a shithole"
Where's the lie?
The word "racism" is something that has been invented in the last 100 years, with the almost sole purpose of damaging cohesion in European societies. Before that there was the term "racialist" but "racist" was the word being used internationally.
And when it comes to attacks like that you can do both. If your group does something good they can respond with "Well what even is X anyways?" and at the same time paint it as evil by saying "Look at all the bad stuff X group has done!"
It's all for the same purpose. Do not expect people using arguments like that to have a logical foundation. They will use anything they can to attack their enemies.
I would say that is a false dichotomy.
Just looking at it from the perspective of a Chinese, the second statement is so patently ridiculous that he could not even take it seriously. And if he can't take it seriously, he will not be insulted by it.
But if he ought to take it seriously, because it was said with power and intention to make this belief widespread in China, would it then be worse than an insult against all chinese people?
Also why can't a black African be chinese just as much as any other chinese person? What if that black person was born in China? Wouldn't he be chinese then? Why would that be offensive to say at all?
Why would it be offensive to say that there is no such thing as chinese people? Everyone can be a chinese person?
And why would it be worse than saying an insult against all chinese people?
You're really trying to drag people into an argument that they're really not biting on. Give up.
It makes little sense. If it is such an insult to the Chinese people as you claim, how would the idea be able to persuade the vast majority of Chinese? I am pretty sure that I will not be able to persuade you of something that is both insulting to you and false.
The Chinese have a civilization going back thousands of years. It doesn't matter where you are born, just like I am not European for having been born here.
Look, Tony, can't you be just a little bit racist, viking desperately needs to validate his view of us as deeply problematic.
Chinese is not an ethnicity, it's a nationality. Han Chinese is an ethnicity.
So...shut up, you stupid chink!
See, neither are particularly egregious, they're just words. My opinion is that denying someone's rights is about the only thing short of a felony is thing I care about.
In your theoretical example if the speaker is intending to insult someone, then they are both equally valid insults. Out of context the first one appears more insulting, since the second one isn't necessarily intended as an insult. The first one is explicitly identifying a thing to assign negative qualities to it.
In general whether you take offense to something or not is entirely up to you. You can't control others, only your reaction.
Why are you framing this in terms of china? Smells like data mining.