You and me both buddy. That's why I'm trying to fix the problem within myself first. It's a very lengthy project, and that realization has come with some anger at those in society who failed to guide me toward this endeavor because now I'm very far behind where I should have been.
I can't help but feel my forebears failed me by not recognizing and conquering this evil while it festered and grew in strength, and allowing me to be so weak.
Personal behavior and self-responsibility definitely play a part in the later, but I think a lot of us did not receive the direction in our formative years necessary to foster and maintain a strong civilization -- although those who would come to benefit from our weakness certainly played their part in this.
I don't begrudge them failing to identify and conquer the evil, but I do begrudge them failing to instill the simple lesson that men need to become strong. It's the most basic lesson we all should have been taught from a young age, but for some reason it wasn't provided to us. Now it still falls to us to figure that out for ourselves and take steps to correct the situation, but we were supposed to have some guidance at the outset that never quite materialized for so many of us.
I don't have the statistics on hand, but WWII killed a awful lot of fathers, leaving single mothers raising essentially an entire generation. That was probably where it got its jump start.
I'd honestly lay a lot of the blame on the rise of single moms. Blame men leaving women. Blame women leaving men. Blame whatever. You can argue over all of those till the end of time but regardless of how it happened, the last few decades have shown kids aren't meant to be raised by a single parent and if they are raised by one it definitely shouldn't be by the mom (and that's assuming the mom's actually parenting.)
Not sure if it is the same thing you are pointing at but I hate myself for failing behind. I've been working very hard to catch up. I partly blame it on not having a male model in my life and my mom being a manipulative bitch.
However I do feel that there was some good in the SJW pushing over the top in media.
I've later discovered that I've been putting off personal accomplishment by spending to much time in games or watching funny tv shows. I still do both of those but it is just a way to pass time rather then the good thing in life.
But I've been catching up on things, I'm still behind in my opinion but I've been working hard at work, doing exercises, build a family and now I'm constantly thinking of ways to protect my children from the SJW indoctrination that is going to brainwash them in school.
I had a similar experience. Like yourself, in ways I feel like I realized it all too late. I had a father who was a good man, but a weak man. He instilled none of the most basic values in me that all men need to be whole. He was a people pleaser, a conformist, someone who never went against the grain and always did what he was told. As we all know now these are the type of men who led us down this destructive path, that allowed power to all the people who should never of had any.
I never really actualized my weakness until my early to mid 20's, ever since then I've fought so hard to better myself and become a man. I've done very well in years since then; I'm in amazing shape, very confident, and mental and physically I've never felt better. Yet at the same time, I still live with some bitterness, because if I was never weak in the first place, I'd like to think I'd be incredibly strong now, far more so than I am. At the end of the day though, all that is important is that you're trying and fighting to be more of a man. It's all that you can do.
Hit the gym, the range, the woods. Train fighting. Fix stuff. Build stuff. End every day NEEDING a shower and not just wanting one. Study those who came before you and internalize their lessons. Find guys who want the same thing. Compete against them and alongside them.
Make yourself dangerously competent and competently dangerous.
Whitepill: we are in the "high risk, high reward" quadrant. The new elite will come from here. Odds are it won't be me or you, but it's better odds than at any other time in recent history.
I've never really cared for that cycle of civilization. It could just be that the first few times I saw it seemed to be presented by older people laughing and looking down on the "weak men" not having the cognizance to realize that if their assertion is true then they are the ones that created these weak men.
Perhaps it's also not thinking that I'm destined to be weak just because of some generational cycle. What's the point then? If it's a natural and inevitable thing then I might as well go drink my soylent green and praise the great leader. I don't necessarily like to think of myself as "strong" but more of "tough" though, because I'm not sure what qualifies as strong. Does reckless aggression with no chance of success count as being strong?
I can't really stick it into history either. So what the fighters in WW2 got strong from a decade of a depression, but it took us 50 years to get from their strength to weakness now? America was in good times in the 20s, where did their strong men come from, the WW1 or something? So they turned the whole cycle over in 30 years and we are instead destined for decades? I can't make it into a timeline on top of history as it doesn't seem to split up into quadrants as neatly as the assertion.
Still, I know what you're getting at. Things suck. I'll do the same thing I have always done, bitch about it a bit, but be tough and push forward. I've never been one to quit and I've never been one to willingly comply and I am not starting now.
Don’t think that because you’re in this period that you’re necessarily weak yourself; it’s more a call towards the aggregate.
What do we find in general in 2021’s USA?
Submisson. Lethargy. Divison. Defeatism. Bread and Circus aplenty - decadence, even for our lower classes. Entitlement. And an Elite class promoting all this while bleeding us all dry and setting us up to be their serfs.
All a good man can do sometimes is ride the wave that is societal destruction.
The symptoms are definitely there overall. There's plenty of weakness to go around. Yeah, just have to ride through it at this point. I'm not predisposed to panic at all, so I'll just keep doing what I've done my whole life, push forward and try to get smarter, tougher, and better along the way. I don't take the assertion that I'm weak personally if I came off like that. I don't care if someone thinks I'm weak anyway, it's just like intelligence. If they boast they are strong/smart, in reality they are weak/stupid.
I think I struggle more with that cycle as trying to apply it to history. Sure, there's places it fits, but it's often presented as the be-all-end-all that this is how life works and that's that. If anything the time relative to each period is stretches in and out like an accordion. Sometimes you have hundreds of years of weakness in serfdom, but others you have less than a decade.
It's the second-worst quadrant, happiness-wise. My advice would be to shore up your setup so that when the most painful quadrant arrives, you'll be able to weather it.
It's easy to say 'be the change that you want to see in the world', but going to the gym, working hard at your job, and being the strong man - even if that's something you're capable of - is still an exercise in misery when the majority of society is content to rot, fester, and fade away.
Being a strong man didn't help the people of Rome when their leaders gave their nation away to anyone they could convince to hold a spear for them.
The west has been rotting since the 1850's. It's not going to be stopped by some gym subscriptions.
You want to go that route, id go with napoleon instead of marx. Marx wasn't relevant until Lenin, he was just another leftist thinker before an orthodoxy crystalized.
It's easy to say 'be the change that you want to see in the world'
I don't recall saying that.
I'm going to put this very carefully so I don't get accused of incitement:
I can live with the world as it is without resorting to violence and martyrdom. But I can understand completely if people choose to respond to the present situation with violence, and I would not judge them for it. I have a higher patience for bullshit than some, and a higher inhibition to using violence because of my beliefs.
The decision of whether or not one wants to gamble their soul to right a perceived wrong, is a choice only the individual can make.
If a maga-wearing pepe went full Reinhard, my reply would be "Sieg Kaiser." I just don't want the job. I'm not a leader and I'm not a prophet. I'm just an engineer who likes woodworking and fishing.
You and me both buddy. That's why I'm trying to fix the problem within myself first. It's a very lengthy project, and that realization has come with some anger at those in society who failed to guide me toward this endeavor because now I'm very far behind where I should have been.
I hear what you're saying.
I can't help but feel my forebears failed me by not recognizing and conquering this evil while it festered and grew in strength, and allowing me to be so weak.
Personal behavior and self-responsibility definitely play a part in the later, but I think a lot of us did not receive the direction in our formative years necessary to foster and maintain a strong civilization -- although those who would come to benefit from our weakness certainly played their part in this.
I don't begrudge them failing to identify and conquer the evil, but I do begrudge them failing to instill the simple lesson that men need to become strong. It's the most basic lesson we all should have been taught from a young age, but for some reason it wasn't provided to us. Now it still falls to us to figure that out for ourselves and take steps to correct the situation, but we were supposed to have some guidance at the outset that never quite materialized for so many of us.
I don't have the statistics on hand, but WWII killed a awful lot of fathers, leaving single mothers raising essentially an entire generation. That was probably where it got its jump start.
I'd honestly lay a lot of the blame on the rise of single moms. Blame men leaving women. Blame women leaving men. Blame whatever. You can argue over all of those till the end of time but regardless of how it happened, the last few decades have shown kids aren't meant to be raised by a single parent and if they are raised by one it definitely shouldn't be by the mom (and that's assuming the mom's actually parenting.)
the "jump start" is the people who push this are the same people who the fathers fought for in ww2.
Not sure if it is the same thing you are pointing at but I hate myself for failing behind. I've been working very hard to catch up. I partly blame it on not having a male model in my life and my mom being a manipulative bitch.
However I do feel that there was some good in the SJW pushing over the top in media.
I've later discovered that I've been putting off personal accomplishment by spending to much time in games or watching funny tv shows. I still do both of those but it is just a way to pass time rather then the good thing in life.
But I've been catching up on things, I'm still behind in my opinion but I've been working hard at work, doing exercises, build a family and now I'm constantly thinking of ways to protect my children from the SJW indoctrination that is going to brainwash them in school.
I had a similar experience. Like yourself, in ways I feel like I realized it all too late. I had a father who was a good man, but a weak man. He instilled none of the most basic values in me that all men need to be whole. He was a people pleaser, a conformist, someone who never went against the grain and always did what he was told. As we all know now these are the type of men who led us down this destructive path, that allowed power to all the people who should never of had any.
I never really actualized my weakness until my early to mid 20's, ever since then I've fought so hard to better myself and become a man. I've done very well in years since then; I'm in amazing shape, very confident, and mental and physically I've never felt better. Yet at the same time, I still live with some bitterness, because if I was never weak in the first place, I'd like to think I'd be incredibly strong now, far more so than I am. At the end of the day though, all that is important is that you're trying and fighting to be more of a man. It's all that you can do.
Wtf i don't remember making this post
Be the change.
Hit the gym, the range, the woods. Train fighting. Fix stuff. Build stuff. End every day NEEDING a shower and not just wanting one. Study those who came before you and internalize their lessons. Find guys who want the same thing. Compete against them and alongside them.
Make yourself dangerously competent and competently dangerous.
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I'll make it worse for you: We're still only first half of that quadrant. It's going to get much, much worse.
No shit.
implying this is a natural occurrence. there are highs and lows in societies but this is pushed .
Whitepill: we are in the "high risk, high reward" quadrant. The new elite will come from here. Odds are it won't be me or you, but it's better odds than at any other time in recent history.
I've never really cared for that cycle of civilization. It could just be that the first few times I saw it seemed to be presented by older people laughing and looking down on the "weak men" not having the cognizance to realize that if their assertion is true then they are the ones that created these weak men.
Perhaps it's also not thinking that I'm destined to be weak just because of some generational cycle. What's the point then? If it's a natural and inevitable thing then I might as well go drink my soylent green and praise the great leader. I don't necessarily like to think of myself as "strong" but more of "tough" though, because I'm not sure what qualifies as strong. Does reckless aggression with no chance of success count as being strong?
I can't really stick it into history either. So what the fighters in WW2 got strong from a decade of a depression, but it took us 50 years to get from their strength to weakness now? America was in good times in the 20s, where did their strong men come from, the WW1 or something? So they turned the whole cycle over in 30 years and we are instead destined for decades? I can't make it into a timeline on top of history as it doesn't seem to split up into quadrants as neatly as the assertion.
Still, I know what you're getting at. Things suck. I'll do the same thing I have always done, bitch about it a bit, but be tough and push forward. I've never been one to quit and I've never been one to willingly comply and I am not starting now.
Don’t think that because you’re in this period that you’re necessarily weak yourself; it’s more a call towards the aggregate.
What do we find in general in 2021’s USA?
Submisson. Lethargy. Divison. Defeatism. Bread and Circus aplenty - decadence, even for our lower classes. Entitlement. And an Elite class promoting all this while bleeding us all dry and setting us up to be their serfs.
All a good man can do sometimes is ride the wave that is societal destruction.
The symptoms are definitely there overall. There's plenty of weakness to go around. Yeah, just have to ride through it at this point. I'm not predisposed to panic at all, so I'll just keep doing what I've done my whole life, push forward and try to get smarter, tougher, and better along the way. I don't take the assertion that I'm weak personally if I came off like that. I don't care if someone thinks I'm weak anyway, it's just like intelligence. If they boast they are strong/smart, in reality they are weak/stupid.
I think I struggle more with that cycle as trying to apply it to history. Sure, there's places it fits, but it's often presented as the be-all-end-all that this is how life works and that's that. If anything the time relative to each period is stretches in and out like an accordion. Sometimes you have hundreds of years of weakness in serfdom, but others you have less than a decade.
It's the second-worst quadrant, happiness-wise. My advice would be to shore up your setup so that when the most painful quadrant arrives, you'll be able to weather it.
This is the beginning of the cycle. It started last year. This is nothing compared to what will come.
Says weak man.
It's easy to say 'be the change that you want to see in the world', but going to the gym, working hard at your job, and being the strong man - even if that's something you're capable of - is still an exercise in misery when the majority of society is content to rot, fester, and fade away.
Being a strong man didn't help the people of Rome when their leaders gave their nation away to anyone they could convince to hold a spear for them.
The west has been rotting since the 1850's. It's not going to be stopped by some gym subscriptions.
Why 1850s?
That was when the communists appeared.
You want to go that route, id go with napoleon instead of marx. Marx wasn't relevant until Lenin, he was just another leftist thinker before an orthodoxy crystalized.
I don't recall saying that.
I'm going to put this very carefully so I don't get accused of incitement:
I can live with the world as it is without resorting to violence and martyrdom. But I can understand completely if people choose to respond to the present situation with violence, and I would not judge them for it. I have a higher patience for bullshit than some, and a higher inhibition to using violence because of my beliefs.
The decision of whether or not one wants to gamble their soul to right a perceived wrong, is a choice only the individual can make.
If a maga-wearing pepe went full Reinhard, my reply would be "Sieg Kaiser." I just don't want the job. I'm not a leader and I'm not a prophet. I'm just an engineer who likes woodworking and fishing.
From your discourse on this board I would posit that your inhibition borders on the suicidal.
If it didn't I'd already be dead and people would damn me as "that lunatic who caused us more problems".
That is an uncomfortable truth. This shit isn't new. I know I haven't been fighting my entire life.