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I hate being in the 'Weak Men, Hard Times' quadrant of the cycle of civilization
posted 5 years ago by BewareTheSuperman 5 years ago by BewareTheSuperman +64 / -0

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– cccpneveragain 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

I've never really cared for that cycle of civilization. It could just be that the first few times I saw it seemed to be presented by older people laughing and looking down on the "weak men" not having the cognizance to realize that if their assertion is true then they are the ones that created these weak men.

Perhaps it's also not thinking that I'm destined to be weak just because of some generational cycle. What's the point then? If it's a natural and inevitable thing then I might as well go drink my soylent green and praise the great leader. I don't necessarily like to think of myself as "strong" but more of "tough" though, because I'm not sure what qualifies as strong. Does reckless aggression with no chance of success count as being strong?

I can't really stick it into history either. So what the fighters in WW2 got strong from a decade of a depression, but it took us 50 years to get from their strength to weakness now? America was in good times in the 20s, where did their strong men come from, the WW1 or something? So they turned the whole cycle over in 30 years and we are instead destined for decades? I can't make it into a timeline on top of history as it doesn't seem to split up into quadrants as neatly as the assertion.

Still, I know what you're getting at. Things suck. I'll do the same thing I have always done, bitch about it a bit, but be tough and push forward. I've never been one to quit and I've never been one to willingly comply and I am not starting now.

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– DeclineOfTheWest 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

Don’t think that because you’re in this period that you’re necessarily weak yourself; it’s more a call towards the aggregate.

What do we find in general in 2021’s USA?

Submisson. Lethargy. Divison. Defeatism. Bread and Circus aplenty - decadence, even for our lower classes. Entitlement. And an Elite class promoting all this while bleeding us all dry and setting us up to be their serfs.

All a good man can do sometimes is ride the wave that is societal destruction.

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– cccpneveragain 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

The symptoms are definitely there overall. There's plenty of weakness to go around. Yeah, just have to ride through it at this point. I'm not predisposed to panic at all, so I'll just keep doing what I've done my whole life, push forward and try to get smarter, tougher, and better along the way. I don't take the assertion that I'm weak personally if I came off like that. I don't care if someone thinks I'm weak anyway, it's just like intelligence. If they boast they are strong/smart, in reality they are weak/stupid.

I think I struggle more with that cycle as trying to apply it to history. Sure, there's places it fits, but it's often presented as the be-all-end-all that this is how life works and that's that. If anything the time relative to each period is stretches in and out like an accordion. Sometimes you have hundreds of years of weakness in serfdom, but others you have less than a decade.

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