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New England Journal Of Medicine Calls For Trump To Be Voted Out Of Office (archive.is)
posted 5 years ago by Ahaus667 5 years ago by Ahaus667 +44 / -0
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– onetruephilosoraptor 45 points 5 years ago +45 / -0

Medicine and almost all of science is quickly becoming a skin suit for marxist filth.

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– masticator_nord 33 points 5 years ago +33 / -0

Scientists believe themselves to be the prophets of the new religion. To them "science" is a special revelation that gives them authority to make moral decrees.

When I was younger I read a lot of creationist material, and they saw this coming. They argued that people need a framework to view the world through, and with the increasing secularization of society they said that "science" would become that framework.

Of course, the question is, why is people using science as a framework to view the world a bad thing? The answer, as usual for Christians, is that human nature corrupts everything. A person's worldview must give them a lens to view morality through. But morality is outside of the purview of science, so what do you do? Well you loudly declare that it is in the purview of science! A person's worldview must give them an understanding of the past and present. So now history and sociology are science. It needs to help you understand yourself so psychology is science.

So science is denigrated further and further by the need to include topics that it's not equipped to deal with. All the while a bait and switch is pulled so now the "knowledge" from these non-scientific fields are attributed the same weight as the knowledge from physics, chemistry, or biology. The successes of the, so-called, hard sciences (a designation only necessary because the new "sciences" aren't amenable to the scientific method) are attributed to "science" and hence all of these other fields.

Now, here we are in 2020. We've seen a decade of "I fucking love science" style blatant indoctrination into seeing scientists as the prophets of the new age who can never be questioned. Science is now explicitly political, and the views of scientists on things far outside their field are expected to be accepted merely because of their title.

Now, scientists are either seeking political power, and/or people looking for political power are using science as a means to obtain it. It's only going to get worse.

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– deleted 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0
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– masticator_nord 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

I'm not going to pretend I know the answer. This is all just what I think happened/how I see it.

People have always been power hungry. All institutions are corrupted and decay as they become more powerful.

With the advances of technology and impact that science has had on society this was an inevitability. When you have a position that is seen as authoritative it will attract those who want power.

When we got to the point that climate change was a huge concern and scientists were being called on to make policy decisions, there could be no doubt that science would become political. How many people do you think are scientists right now because they were inspired specifically by climate change and desired to make a difference on that front?

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– deleted 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0
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– ZodShael 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

Those people always existed. The "follow my religion or we kill you" or "follow my religion or you burn in hell" are now "follow communism, accept marxism and feminism and the fact that you're racist" etc.

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– masticator_nord 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

I'm no historian, so this is just my guess.

I think people have always been like this. The internet makes it easier to do and easier to see.

Additionally, think about what it takes to make a power grab nowadays. Find something "problematic" that somebody has said or done (pro tip everything is problematic, it's up to you to point out how) and clutch your pearls about what a bigot they are. The bar for entry is so low that it's kind of silly not to.

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– Communism4dummies 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

The biggest question I have is when did people become so intoxicated by power?

When people live in a time a peace for a decent amount of time, they become bored and find new ways to cause havoc hence morality policing. This path always leads to either civil unrest or balkanization.

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– Adamrises 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Science was always about power. It just used to be that they gained power by inventing practical stuff and just teching themselves ahead of their opposition.

Physics and the laws of reality prevent any meaningful change happening like that anymore, so instead their power now comes from how they wield it.

Never mistake any of this for new or special. Its just wearing new skin.

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– TentElephant 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

A lot of Science isn't science. The scientific method requires you to isolate variables. There are fields where it is physically impossible for us to do that, such as economics and social science. It might be possible that we figure out climate stuff, but right now we just make shit up until we can solve some really hard problems like turbulent flow.

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– masticator_nord 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

I agree. That's why co-opting science as the framework through which all things should be evaluated was so destructive.

Science only really works in very specific fields of inquiry. Beyond those the scientific method, which is what makes science such a powerful tool, doesn't work.

But the connection has already been made. The bait and switch has been accepted at every level of society. To deny a study in, for example, sociology, is the same as denying gravity. The explanatory power of what is now considered science has decreased, but we still act like it's pure rigor and scientific method.

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– Adamrises 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

The scientific method requires you to isolate variables. There are fields where it is physically impossible for us to do that, such as economics and social science.

The amount of time I spent in Psychology working with null hypothesis and biological indicators of mental phenomenon says that is isn't impossible by any means.

The field is just so corrupt it doesn't put in the effort to need to. Nearly all of social science is debt ridden and desperate, and will write a study that says whatever you want it to to get funding from some random corporation. The field makes zero money, so it prostitutes itself to social engineers to survive and then they use it for whatever.

There is also the problem of lacking the technology to properly study the brain of a living human (they aren't so useful dead). A lot of right now is trying to figure out modern problems with renaissance level tools. Its hard to properly conduct research when you have only a subjective tool reporting to you what it thinks it thinks.

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– TentElephant 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Have you read Human Action? Mises really needed someone like Bernays to help him make better terms. Praxeology is a terrible word choice. Economics is axiomatic, like logic or math, instead of empirical, like physics or biology.

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– Adamrises 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I'll say in economics I am not deeply versed. My point was entirely in defense of the social sciences.

But I am much in the camp of nature being highly triumphant over nurture, so Praxeology would be a major disagreement with me.

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– TentElephant 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

It is physically impossible to repeat any social science expermient. You can never get the same people back in the same room under the same conditions without access to the new information they have gained since the first time. I'd recommend you pick up Human Action, since it is the foundation of modern classical liberalism.

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– Adamrises 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I'm aware of that problem. Its why I mentioned the lacking technology hampering us considerably by requiring them to be reveal the information to us through their own perspective and lens.

We are also massively hampered by ethical red tape. In needing consent, making them aware of the experiment in many cases, not causing distress or harm, and all sorts of other massively limiting variables. I won't say its wrong to restrict that, but there is a reason the most famous "studies" all came about before such were in place and real psycho experiments could take place.

I will take that recommendation to heart though. If I ever catch up on my reading list.

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... continue reading thread?
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– Galean 27 points 5 years ago +27 / -0

We rarely publish editorials signed by all the editors

Yea, definitely not politically motivated. They do not point to what it was done wrong, where the major hot spots are and what caused the hot spots, the impact of the protests or nursing homes in NY, nothing scientific.

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– deleted 26 points 5 years ago +26 / -0
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– Ahaus667 [S] 18 points 5 years ago +18 / -0

They cant actually use the data because it would be a damning indictment of democrats, the WHO, CDC, and China.

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– when_we_win_remember 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

They're pulling out all of the stops. To the people that say whatever Trump is just another Jew puppet, I say they're making a pretty convincing go at getting rid of him.

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– Soup_Navy_Admiral 27 points 5 years ago +27 / -0

This is what we get for convincing ourselves science was a bulwark unassailable by the pomo barbarians.

They had the universities. This was inevitable.

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– Adamrises 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

BUT EDUCATION GOOD GUYS!

EUPHORIA IS BETTER THAN RELIGION! WE ARE FREE THINKERS CUZ SCIENCE!

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

If you take voting advice from people who think that a "JUST THIS FOR GEORG FLOID" banner makes you immune from the coronavirus, you're a moron and and you deserve everything that you get.

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– the_nybbler 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Print any fake studies lately? (Yeah, the Lancet printed the major one, but NEJM printed one too)

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– realerfunction 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

looks like there's a rat infestation that needs to be cleaned

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– deleted 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

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