Everyone who visits KIA2 is well aware of Peggy McIntosh and her garbage essay, so quit with the "right wing dum-dums" snark. I'm pretty sure a hefty chunk of this community leans left, but is sick of woke left's lunacy.
White privilege isn't about class (though it might be seen as related).
Yes, we know. White privilege is unfalsifiable dogma, and a tool of the elite to sow discord and division among the working masses.
What white privilege is about, is that if you compare a poor white person with a poor black person, poor white person would be treated better or have various "privileges" because of their race.
Again, the vapidity of McIntoshes essay shines through your reply. Vague claims of benefits, which are simultaneously invisible, but obvious to anyone who buys into the concept. You know what else grants significant privileges? Money. Moolah. The thing woke industrial complex has oodles of and yet refuses to part unless it's used to fund terrorist groups.
Such as not being targeted by police, being more likely to be hired, etc.
Not being a criminal can also significantly decrease negative interaction with the police. Employees tend to favor people who are self reliant and hard working, but I was informed by the Smithsonian that those are white values. Damn that white privilege, always keeping the black man down by promoting behaviour that is likely to create succsessful individuals.
The reason 'white privilege" is seen to exist is because of white supremacy being a thing, which advantages whites & exploits and oppresses non-whites.
Again, more vague claims, in the spirit of the original essay.
Every time I press the woke on defining what white supremacy means, they tend to rattle off a bunch of various claims that are tangentially related to each other - everything but the actual definition. The closest definition I've gotten is from their opponents - that it's dogma used by the woke left to destabilize society and seize power.
A better approach might be challenging the idea of equality and expectation of equal outcomes between different groups, but I doubt it'd work
The idea is that the equality of opportunity, not of outcomes should matter. Equality of outcomes means society where everyone is dragged down to the base level of (in)competency, and even a brief glance at 20th century totalitarian regimes shows what hell holes these types of societies tend to be.
Equality of outcomes between different groups? What sort of values these various groups hold? I'd say that the group that believes that hard work, rational thinking, and stable family structures has the highest chance of prospering, due to the obvious fact that self reliance and hard work tend to result in success. Now, tell me, are these values unique to a certain ethnicity? Be careful, your reply might uncover some less than savory beliefs.
I see that you've stepped out of the lefty bubble, which is commendable, but the woke missionary schtick isn't working. Drop the attitude and your KIA2 experience will improve significantly.
Whoa, hold up, she's a furry? I have some close furry bros and I've been watching over the border between furry and sjw for some time. It's been amazing that sjw hasn't completely absorbed furries because of their extreme victim status. My personal theory so far is that people can't dedicate themselves to two cults at once, so anyone that's a die-hard-cringe furry is immune to other cults like social justice (and similarly, the handful of furries that feel revulsion at furry cult are more likely to feel the same about other cults).
Try to explain to her exactly how minority bipedal dogs (or catgirls, whatever) are. They're so minority they don't exist in reality. Humans are all over and common. And - get this, even in a furry setting you can make every race have only one representative; you can only show so many characters in a story, and that number is far smaller than the number of distinct real life animal species to anthropomorphize. Also drawing in a homogenized style like animal crossing diminishes diversity so she's gonna have to git gud if she wants to be less racist.
Cut the turd loose. You don't need her, and it honestly doesn't sound like you've ever liked her. Seems like she's more of a friend of a friend at most. And if that's what she is, then here's what you do: start arranging hangouts, outings, and get-togethers with the people you do like. Like eating out, going to restaurants, game nights, whatever. But don't include her in them. Don't invite her, don't talk to her about them. Start solidifying among your buddies who among them is "in" the group and who are the outliers.
Why do you have female friends? Unless you are attempting to bang her, her sister, or her hotter friends women are a poor investment in time and energy.
As long as people around her enable this behavior (both the SJW-ism and the "I have no idea what I'm doing with my life". I know someone in their mid-30s who still has that latter attitude, and it's just pathetic at this point), it will continue.
You want to "cure" her? Get her working on a deep sea oil rig or fishing boat with a bunch of people who will flat out not put up with any of her shit and would just as soon throw her overboard as put up with her. If she survived the ordeal she'd probably be "cured".
Is getting into her pants an option? You can try to fuck the stupid out of her but unless you get married and have kids then it’s not a long-term solution.
But seriously folks, this describes about half of my friends and family and I’m afraid there’s no easy solution to this. I would say just continue to be yourself, don’t try to force any red-pills into her but don’t let her walk all over you with her politics either, challenge her in a non-confrontational way if she says something stupid, try to point out flaws and cognitive dissonance in her reasoning.
Unfortunately with shit like this many people have to come around on their own, and most women are very sensitive to peer pressure, so she’s quite likely just going to go along with the herd at whatever gay dykey art school she’s attending unless something crazy snaps her out of it, she gets into a healthy relationship with a man who red-pills her, or she continues down the path of madness and becomes a wine-aunt or a cat lady.
In any case just accept that you might lose her as a friend.
Sorry mate, but it will be extremely difficult, women naturally gravitate towards leftism, they get sucked in by the empathy card.
My wife and I have been together for 13 years, shes only just NOW starting to see my point of view and it took Dictator Dans leftwing authoritarianism to start listening. Only advise I can give is, dont change, just keep being you, and if you can, try to avoid talking politics around her, even if she brings it up.
I had a similar friend. During her time there, she went trans, then detransitioned, and bullied the absolute fuck out of her family the entire time (we're talking thrown chairs, broken windows, fake suicides, blatant theft of cash and denying it despite being caught on camera). The issue was the school. The students wore their problems like a badge, and those without problems were considered evil. The psychological abuse was rampant, and every conversation with her after going to that school was about woke politics.
She is now in rehab after not being able to hold a job for more than a few months. Her family has run out of patience with her, and unless she has a breakthrough with a criminal psychologist, she will likely end up homeless, then dead or in jail.
My advice ditch her, she will go down on the spiral of white guilt as long as it is "popular". If the "popular" opinion changes she will change, nothing else will change her mind. So do not even bother. If the culture does not change she will have a great future as a childless, hateful human being that will bring hate to everyone around her until she is alone and bitter but she will not hate the leftism that brought her here, the leftism that told her about white guilt and things like how being a mother is just a shackle of the patriarchy, no no she will blame men for existing in the first place, she will blame the patriarchy and capitalism and what ever else she was told to hate.
I hate to say it unless you can get her to see the light through some crazy/ratchet/extreme example it’s not going to break unless she gets “woke” (heh) to the fact she’s been brainwashed. I thought I could do something similar with my ex-gf but your best bet is to start distancing yourself from them. In my antedoctal experience usually the ones fully pushing this shit are usually seriously unhappy with their life/situation and or suffering from one/multiple mental illnesses....
If you're really committed to trying to snap her out of it, you could try going over really basic economics or showing her videos of Trump supporters being attacked by liberals, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B-sRu7xDAs](here's a good compilation) .
The truth is that liberalism is a degenerative mental disorder. I understand she's not fully gone yet, but she will go. Any attempt you make to challenge her good, clean, liberalism will likely just identify you as unclean and render your points invalid.
My advice (like so many others) is to just let her go. You don't have to make a big deal out of it, but you should get out of there. Once they start talking about "White Privilege" the thing has metastasized and it's only going to get worse.
This has happened to a lot of us and if you were close it can be really hard. I'm sorry for your loss and good luck.
Everyone who visits KIA2 is well aware of Peggy McIntosh and her garbage essay, so quit with the "right wing dum-dums" snark. I'm pretty sure a hefty chunk of this community leans left, but is sick of woke left's lunacy.
Yes, we know. White privilege is unfalsifiable dogma, and a tool of the elite to sow discord and division among the working masses.
Again, the vapidity of McIntoshes essay shines through your reply. Vague claims of benefits, which are simultaneously invisible, but obvious to anyone who buys into the concept. You know what else grants significant privileges? Money. Moolah. The thing woke industrial complex has oodles of and yet refuses to part unless it's used to fund terrorist groups.
Not being a criminal can also significantly decrease negative interaction with the police. Employees tend to favor people who are self reliant and hard working, but I was informed by the Smithsonian that those are white values. Damn that white privilege, always keeping the black man down by promoting behaviour that is likely to create succsessful individuals.
Again, more vague claims, in the spirit of the original essay.
Every time I press the woke on defining what white supremacy means, they tend to rattle off a bunch of various claims that are tangentially related to each other - everything but the actual definition. The closest definition I've gotten is from their opponents - that it's dogma used by the woke left to destabilize society and seize power.
The idea is that the equality of opportunity, not of outcomes should matter. Equality of outcomes means society where everyone is dragged down to the base level of (in)competency, and even a brief glance at 20th century totalitarian regimes shows what hell holes these types of societies tend to be.
Equality of outcomes between different groups? What sort of values these various groups hold? I'd say that the group that believes that hard work, rational thinking, and stable family structures has the highest chance of prospering, due to the obvious fact that self reliance and hard work tend to result in success. Now, tell me, are these values unique to a certain ethnicity? Be careful, your reply might uncover some less than savory beliefs.
I see that you've stepped out of the lefty bubble, which is commendable, but the woke missionary schtick isn't working. Drop the attitude and your KIA2 experience will improve significantly.
Whoa, hold up, she's a furry? I have some close furry bros and I've been watching over the border between furry and sjw for some time. It's been amazing that sjw hasn't completely absorbed furries because of their extreme victim status. My personal theory so far is that people can't dedicate themselves to two cults at once, so anyone that's a die-hard-cringe furry is immune to other cults like social justice (and similarly, the handful of furries that feel revulsion at furry cult are more likely to feel the same about other cults).
Try to explain to her exactly how minority bipedal dogs (or catgirls, whatever) are. They're so minority they don't exist in reality. Humans are all over and common. And - get this, even in a furry setting you can make every race have only one representative; you can only show so many characters in a story, and that number is far smaller than the number of distinct real life animal species to anthropomorphize. Also drawing in a homogenized style like animal crossing diminishes diversity so she's gonna have to git gud if she wants to be less racist.
Cut the turd loose. You don't need her, and it honestly doesn't sound like you've ever liked her. Seems like she's more of a friend of a friend at most. And if that's what she is, then here's what you do: start arranging hangouts, outings, and get-togethers with the people you do like. Like eating out, going to restaurants, game nights, whatever. But don't include her in them. Don't invite her, don't talk to her about them. Start solidifying among your buddies who among them is "in" the group and who are the outliers.
......return the slaaaaab.....
Why do you have female friends? Unless you are attempting to bang her, her sister, or her hotter friends women are a poor investment in time and energy.
As long as people around her enable this behavior (both the SJW-ism and the "I have no idea what I'm doing with my life". I know someone in their mid-30s who still has that latter attitude, and it's just pathetic at this point), it will continue.
You want to "cure" her? Get her working on a deep sea oil rig or fishing boat with a bunch of people who will flat out not put up with any of her shit and would just as soon throw her overboard as put up with her. If she survived the ordeal she'd probably be "cured".
Is getting into her pants an option? You can try to fuck the stupid out of her but unless you get married and have kids then it’s not a long-term solution.
But seriously folks, this describes about half of my friends and family and I’m afraid there’s no easy solution to this. I would say just continue to be yourself, don’t try to force any red-pills into her but don’t let her walk all over you with her politics either, challenge her in a non-confrontational way if she says something stupid, try to point out flaws and cognitive dissonance in her reasoning.
Unfortunately with shit like this many people have to come around on their own, and most women are very sensitive to peer pressure, so she’s quite likely just going to go along with the herd at whatever gay dykey art school she’s attending unless something crazy snaps her out of it, she gets into a healthy relationship with a man who red-pills her, or she continues down the path of madness and becomes a wine-aunt or a cat lady.
In any case just accept that you might lose her as a friend.
Pretty sure OP is friend zoned.
I was just trying to be funny.
Then why do you care?. Long term she is a recipe for disaster. Let her be.
Just ditch her.
nope, it's hopeless
You don't.
That's not how this works. You have no idea how many times we've seen this as a community. If there was a solution we'd have found it by now.
The only solution is to leave.
You can’t.
Sorry mate, but it will be extremely difficult, women naturally gravitate towards leftism, they get sucked in by the empathy card.
My wife and I have been together for 13 years, shes only just NOW starting to see my point of view and it took Dictator Dans leftwing authoritarianism to start listening. Only advise I can give is, dont change, just keep being you, and if you can, try to avoid talking politics around her, even if she brings it up.
I had a similar friend. During her time there, she went trans, then detransitioned, and bullied the absolute fuck out of her family the entire time (we're talking thrown chairs, broken windows, fake suicides, blatant theft of cash and denying it despite being caught on camera). The issue was the school. The students wore their problems like a badge, and those without problems were considered evil. The psychological abuse was rampant, and every conversation with her after going to that school was about woke politics.
She is now in rehab after not being able to hold a job for more than a few months. Her family has run out of patience with her, and unless she has a breakthrough with a criminal psychologist, she will likely end up homeless, then dead or in jail.
Get! Your! Friend! Out!
NOW!
My advice ditch her, she will go down on the spiral of white guilt as long as it is "popular". If the "popular" opinion changes she will change, nothing else will change her mind. So do not even bother. If the culture does not change she will have a great future as a childless, hateful human being that will bring hate to everyone around her until she is alone and bitter but she will not hate the leftism that brought her here, the leftism that told her about white guilt and things like how being a mother is just a shackle of the patriarchy, no no she will blame men for existing in the first place, she will blame the patriarchy and capitalism and what ever else she was told to hate.
DO NOT GET SUCKED IN TO THIS!!
dont she made her bed let her lie in it and suffer the consequences
You might be able to do it if you frame it in an emotional way, that she's being taken in by an abusive cult and you're concerned for her well-being.
But I doubt it.
I hate to say it unless you can get her to see the light through some crazy/ratchet/extreme example it’s not going to break unless she gets “woke” (heh) to the fact she’s been brainwashed. I thought I could do something similar with my ex-gf but your best bet is to start distancing yourself from them. In my antedoctal experience usually the ones fully pushing this shit are usually seriously unhappy with their life/situation and or suffering from one/multiple mental illnesses....
Tell her to get a real trade. She'll be angry now, but will thank you down the line.
If you're really committed to trying to snap her out of it, you could try going over really basic economics or showing her videos of Trump supporters being attacked by liberals, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B-sRu7xDAs](here's a good compilation) .
The truth is that liberalism is a degenerative mental disorder. I understand she's not fully gone yet, but she will go. Any attempt you make to challenge her good, clean, liberalism will likely just identify you as unclean and render your points invalid.
My advice (like so many others) is to just let her go. You don't have to make a big deal out of it, but you should get out of there. Once they start talking about "White Privilege" the thing has metastasized and it's only going to get worse.
This has happened to a lot of us and if you were close it can be really hard. I'm sorry for your loss and good luck.
Imagine thinking long drawn out presentations of evidence will influence a woman's feelings.
Hell, don’t forget that in the slave trading era, America was one of the SMALLER customers.
Perhaps leave out the bit about the Jews, because it'll make him sound like Hitler.
Hell just tell her where the word Slave comes from