“We hate the police, until we can weaponize them against people we hate more”
Substitute police out for pretty much anything and swap out hate whenever it is something that they support and you will have the moral framework for these guys. If it wasn’t for double standards they wouldn’t have any at all
So fun thing I've seen first hand multiple times from multiple people, and note the following statements (while not exact) were in the same conversation.
"fuck the police, defund them"
"go arrest people not standing exactly 6 feet apart because covid"
"the government is fascist and oppressing people in the streets"
"fuck the second amendment, you don't need guns"
"why aren't gun owners out there stopping the government?"
"I have guns" (and note that they aren't out there fighting back, clearly they're retarded and hypocrites)
Etc
There's no reasoning with these people. None. They're fucking brain dead and shitty people who deep down know better but can't bring themselves to admit it
It all comes back to not wanting to admit that they want to be the boot, I think; they aren't actually against brutal authoritarianism, they're just pissed that the laws stop them from doing crimes and abuse instead of stomping on everyone else who just wants to live their life.
Substitute police out for pretty much anything and swap out hate whenever it is something that they support and you will have the moral framework for these guys.
Dune nailed it:
"When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.”
If a group of people in MAGA hats surrounded a house flying a Biden flag and conducted themselves like this even ONE time, there would be mass arrests. It would be an international news story. Congress would call an emergency session about “right wing terrorism”.
Any defense plan that involves the use of a weapon that DOESN'T involve actually firing it and making the threat to your life and property disappear is a shit plan. Ready your weapon out of sight (yes, this means you already need to have it loaded), position yourself in a tactically advantageous position, and make peace with the fact that no matter what you do, you're going to jail, so you might as well go to jail with the score in your favor.
Comment Approved: This is not really the kind of thing that that rule is referring to. He's not calling for violence.
And OC, to answer your question, kind of. You really need to check your own state's laws on brandishing. It absolutely could be brandishing. Then again, it could also not be brandishing, and you'll still get arrested and the cops could leave the mob at your house. So you want to be extra careful with that kinda shit.
Tfw there's a person out there who equates having a shotgun at the ready to defend one's home in the event of being charged/firebombed by rioters, to calling for violence.
Home owners are undoubtedly thinking that if you are going to get arrested anyway for defending your home, why not leave a pile of bodies on your front lawn before hand, and make the arrest worth it?
Will the media report on this when it happens though? I can see that kind of display encouraging others to find their balls and start putting several rounds of lead into these mobs.
They would report it. But it would basically be framed as a spremacist going on a killing spree and it would become the new bludgeon to go after the guns.
Never mind that when real information of the success surfaces, you end up finding that either the shooter did what he did or he would end up like a south african farmer.
Seems like a drastic oversight that this applies even in your own home. Is it really the legislators intention that you can't drink in your own home without forfeiting the means to defends yourself?
Will have to wait and see as to what BS they throw at him. It may have been an arrest with no plan to charge in some sort of effort to attempt to deescalate the situation. Still fails the sniff test on not being utter bullshit though. The mob was obviously the instigator here. Hope the cops get sued into the ground on this one.
This is why you need a trapdoor to the roof. You don't show up in the window and threaten them, you head up to the roof with the weapon, bag of mags, and a bullhorn. You announce that they are trespassing on private property and notify them to disperse or protective action will be taken. Give them 10-30 seconds and fire a warning shot. Guarantee they'll hightail it out of there, and if the cops show up, well, better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.
Ranges also have things like bullet traps that they have to continuously maintain, which is different from your poorly-maintained lawn with rocks and shit.
If you want to waste your ammo on warning shots, you do you. Just remember you have to explain every single bullet shot out of a barrel to a judge, assuming the friendly neighborhood lynch mob, whose welfare you're so concerned about to fire warning shots for, doesn't beat you into a coma first.
Not sure what you're getting at there. I never said you point the gun up in the air and squeeze off some rounds. You should always know your target and what's behind it, and randomly popping off shots is a good way to hurt an innocent bystander. Fire into the dirt on your lawn, or barring that have a starter pistol with blanks for the warning so you're not firing against concrete and risking a ricochet.
What I'm getting at is the unintended consequences of listening to shitty fuddlore. Forget how much of a bad idea warning shots are from a legal standpoint (a prosecutor will hammer on the point that you weren't in "imminent bodily harm" if you had time to fire off a warning), what makes you think a warning shot will scare away a mob of angry felons with nothing to lose and looking for an excuse to hurt you? The Kenosha Kid fired real shots into real bodies, and that didn't stop the goblins from chasing him three blocks and trying to curb stomp him.
You told the good ending to your rooftop scenario, here's the bad ending:
You get on the roof.
You fire a warning shot.
The mob gets angrier.
"The Nazi's shooting at us!"
One of them aims his illegally-possessed Glock at the open target on the roof.
You feel a sharp pain in your right lung.
You fall off the roof.
You limp your way to your front door.
The door is locked and you didn't bring your keys.
The mob surrounds you. Then...
Let this be a lesson. Stop trying to scare off Antifa, the only affect this will have will be an instant defeat for yourself. Don't show your weapon until you are able to shoulder it/draw it and pull the trigger instantly. You are still going to get arrested, but at least then you'll have a scorecard to show for it.
Police identified him to be intoxicated at the time he was handling the weapon. He is fucked. That is the noose by which he will be hanged. Watch this man get fucked. Watch the Mckloskeys get fucked. They're filthy rich, and their ordeal has already cost them a fortune. They won't be the last.
Here is the lesson for everyone. Get pro gun legislators (read: Republicans) elected. Support pro gun states attorneys. Get to know candidates, study their records, and actually campaign for the good ones. You will get known, recognized, and heard by them. Be in contact with your local chapter of the NRA, and find out what they are doing to actually protect your right to defend yourself. It is being seriously jeopardized. The NRA isn't worth dick but this is a prime issue they should be out working on.
Lobby your state representatives and senators (yes, you can do this yourself, just pick up the phone and call their offices). You don't want to deal with their staff. Despite what they tell you, your concerns aren't going anywhere but the trash. You want to meet with your legislator personally and find out what they are doing to improve 2nd amendment protections in your state. A lot of them will meet with random constituents by appointment. It isn't a hassle. it's their job.
Basically, we all need to get off our fat asses and get involved. This is something boomers actually did right. Through stubborn tyranny of will, they're always pestering legislators about whatever bullshit issue pissed them off that morning. Oughtta be a law that the paperboy actually puts the paper on my porch rather than in the bushes. Dumb shit like that. But even stupid laws get passed if you're not just sitting on a message board complaining about it.
“We hate the police, until we can weaponize them against people we hate more”
Substitute police out for pretty much anything and swap out hate whenever it is something that they support and you will have the moral framework for these guys. If it wasn’t for double standards they wouldn’t have any at all
So fun thing I've seen first hand multiple times from multiple people, and note the following statements (while not exact) were in the same conversation.
"fuck the police, defund them"
"go arrest people not standing exactly 6 feet apart because covid"
"the government is fascist and oppressing people in the streets"
"fuck the second amendment, you don't need guns"
"why aren't gun owners out there stopping the government?"
"I have guns" (and note that they aren't out there fighting back, clearly they're retarded and hypocrites)
Etc
There's no reasoning with these people. None. They're fucking brain dead and shitty people who deep down know better but can't bring themselves to admit it
It all comes back to not wanting to admit that they want to be the boot, I think; they aren't actually against brutal authoritarianism, they're just pissed that the laws stop them from doing crimes and abuse instead of stomping on everyone else who just wants to live their life.
Dune nailed it: "When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.”
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1306214097386704896
Fuck Me. This was my exact plan if the mob showed up at my door. Is this really a case of illegal brandishing?
Any defense plan that involves the use of a weapon that DOESN'T involve actually firing it and making the threat to your life and property disappear is a shit plan. Ready your weapon out of sight (yes, this means you already need to have it loaded), position yourself in a tactically advantageous position, and make peace with the fact that no matter what you do, you're going to jail, so you might as well go to jail with the score in your favor.
Comment Reported for: 2: Violent Speech
Comment Approved: This is not really the kind of thing that that rule is referring to. He's not calling for violence.
And OC, to answer your question, kind of. You really need to check your own state's laws on brandishing. It absolutely could be brandishing. Then again, it could also not be brandishing, and you'll still get arrested and the cops could leave the mob at your house. So you want to be extra careful with that kinda shit.
Tfw there's a person out there who equates having a shotgun at the ready to defend one's home in the event of being charged/firebombed by rioters, to calling for violence.
Will the media report on this when it happens though? I can see that kind of display encouraging others to find their balls and start putting several rounds of lead into these mobs.
They would report it. But it would basically be framed as a spremacist going on a killing spree and it would become the new bludgeon to go after the guns.
Never mind that when real information of the success surfaces, you end up finding that either the shooter did what he did or he would end up like a south african farmer.
We'll have to see if he gets charged.
Update: according to a police statement, he was drunk while handling the gun. If true, it's likely he'll get charged for that. https://mobile.twitter.com/MilwaukeePolice/status/1306349626568642561/photo/1
Seems like a drastic oversight that this applies even in your own home. Is it really the legislators intention that you can't drink in your own home without forfeiting the means to defends yourself?
Will have to wait and see as to what BS they throw at him. It may have been an arrest with no plan to charge in some sort of effort to attempt to deescalate the situation. Still fails the sniff test on not being utter bullshit though. The mob was obviously the instigator here. Hope the cops get sued into the ground on this one.
I thought there were laws against this shit, disturbing the peace, noise ordinances, but nada.
I hope they do finally find that person that isn't fucking around
Some Cops Are Bastards
And a good deal of the rest looks the other way to save their pensions.
This is why you need a trapdoor to the roof. You don't show up in the window and threaten them, you head up to the roof with the weapon, bag of mags, and a bullhorn. You announce that they are trespassing on private property and notify them to disperse or protective action will be taken. Give them 10-30 seconds and fire a warning shot. Guarantee they'll hightail it out of there, and if the cops show up, well, better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.
What is gravity?
I mean, lawns exist, just don't aim too shallow.
What is ricochet?
What is shrapnel?
What is a buried gas line?
I'll take what are highly improbable/impossible outcomes for 200 please.
-Jojo intro music- Oh? Next you'll tell me shooting targets in the range is too dangerous for the ricochet and "shrapnel" chances
Ranges also have things like bullet traps that they have to continuously maintain, which is different from your poorly-maintained lawn with rocks and shit.
If you want to waste your ammo on warning shots, you do you. Just remember you have to explain every single bullet shot out of a barrel to a judge, assuming the friendly neighborhood lynch mob, whose welfare you're so concerned about to fire warning shots for, doesn't beat you into a coma first.
Not sure what you're getting at there. I never said you point the gun up in the air and squeeze off some rounds. You should always know your target and what's behind it, and randomly popping off shots is a good way to hurt an innocent bystander. Fire into the dirt on your lawn, or barring that have a starter pistol with blanks for the warning so you're not firing against concrete and risking a ricochet.
What I'm getting at is the unintended consequences of listening to shitty fuddlore. Forget how much of a bad idea warning shots are from a legal standpoint (a prosecutor will hammer on the point that you weren't in "imminent bodily harm" if you had time to fire off a warning), what makes you think a warning shot will scare away a mob of angry felons with nothing to lose and looking for an excuse to hurt you? The Kenosha Kid fired real shots into real bodies, and that didn't stop the goblins from chasing him three blocks and trying to curb stomp him.
You told the good ending to your rooftop scenario, here's the bad ending:
You get on the roof.
You fire a warning shot.
The mob gets angrier.
"The Nazi's shooting at us!"
One of them aims his illegally-possessed Glock at the open target on the roof.
You feel a sharp pain in your right lung.
You fall off the roof.
You limp your way to your front door.
The door is locked and you didn't bring your keys.
The mob surrounds you.
Then...
Let this be a lesson. Stop trying to scare off Antifa, the only affect this will have will be an instant defeat for yourself. Don't show your weapon until you are able to shoulder it/draw it and pull the trigger instantly. You are still going to get arrested, but at least then you'll have a scorecard to show for it.
Trump needs to pardon all these patriots. If BLM is playing this lawless game, we need to respond in kind
Brandishing a weapon cannot be illegal. Full stop. Any "law" that says otherwise is trash, and we need to fight it.
Any updates on this guy? He need help? Can we help him?
Thats it, set up a sprinkler system rigged with a very limited amount of gasoline. Burn the cancer out without a single exposed firearm.
But yeah, these people are trash and so are the pigs for letting them get away with it.
Pretty sure that would count as a booby trap and therefore be illegal. Shame, because it would actually be effective.
Police identified him to be intoxicated at the time he was handling the weapon. He is fucked. That is the noose by which he will be hanged. Watch this man get fucked. Watch the Mckloskeys get fucked. They're filthy rich, and their ordeal has already cost them a fortune. They won't be the last.
Here is the lesson for everyone. Get pro gun legislators (read: Republicans) elected. Support pro gun states attorneys. Get to know candidates, study their records, and actually campaign for the good ones. You will get known, recognized, and heard by them. Be in contact with your local chapter of the NRA, and find out what they are doing to actually protect your right to defend yourself. It is being seriously jeopardized. The NRA isn't worth dick but this is a prime issue they should be out working on.
Lobby your state representatives and senators (yes, you can do this yourself, just pick up the phone and call their offices). You don't want to deal with their staff. Despite what they tell you, your concerns aren't going anywhere but the trash. You want to meet with your legislator personally and find out what they are doing to improve 2nd amendment protections in your state. A lot of them will meet with random constituents by appointment. It isn't a hassle. it's their job.
Basically, we all need to get off our fat asses and get involved. This is something boomers actually did right. Through stubborn tyranny of will, they're always pestering legislators about whatever bullshit issue pissed them off that morning. Oughtta be a law that the paperboy actually puts the paper on my porch rather than in the bushes. Dumb shit like that. But even stupid laws get passed if you're not just sitting on a message board complaining about it.
NRA is pozzed last I checked, but other than that, agreed