So as I read it, the Trump admin, once again, was super sloppy with the birthright citizenship executive order. To start, an EO has no staying power, and can this have been overturned in a subsequent administration. But in addition to that they rushed Trump v Barbara to the scotus. If you listen to The oral arguments for Trump, they did not have a strong arguments for changing existing case law. Dredd Scott, Wong kim ark, . Not sufficiently addressed at all. The entire argument appears to be “semantics”. Maybe they believed they could win based on the outcome of Trump vs. CASA (ie: a lower court cannot issue a universal injunction against an executive order)?
WOW, what a colossal fuck up THAT was. basically Trump not only lost, but cast concrete blocks around our ankles for fucking decades on this. If they wanted to win this case, then the lynchpin of this argument needed to be overturning The Kim Ark case, in the same way that they overturned Roe V Wade. But they didn’t. Gorsuch, who actually was in the dissent, even points out that Trumps argument is based on semantics citing “Roman law” (they literally cite emperor Justinian) holy shit dude.
What the fuck is this admin doing?” Tried our best” isn’t good enough. Get serious for fucks sake.
You're acting like the arguments ever even mattered. Anyone could have told you the opinion of each justice (save perhaps Kavanaugh, who I could have seen go either way) before arguments even started.
The Trump administration could have created an ironclad case. They could have raised the writer of the amendment from the dead to prove his intent and his wording is the exact opposite of how the amendment is being used. Jesus himself could have descended and told the justices how it all should work. It wouldn't have mattered and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.
The 3 sane justices were always going to vote to overturn birthright. The 3 liberal bitches were always going to vote to maintain it. The pedophile and the mudshark were always going to side with the liberals. The case was always decided from the start.
You’re proving my point: ie -> why the fuck would Trump admin rush this case to Supreme Court when they could have taken it to an appellate court of their choosing and / or circumvented the injunction.
Oh. That’s right. Because they’re retards.or complicit. Or both.
This basically replaces Roe v Wade for conservatives.
It's now a rallying cry or banner for anti-immigration policy, to motivate the right-wing electorate; the bad court decision that has to be fought.
Before when you said you're anti-immigrant and people asked why and you said anchor babies they said well those millions of CCP Chinese "Americans" aren't really citizens, they're not going to really let them vote and so on.
It wasn't definitive and if it's not definitive they would hand-wave it away. They can't do that now.
You act like they failed, but I don't know that winning was even the point.
Everything hinged on what "under the jurisdiction" actually means, and the case presented to the USSC didn't even attempt to do that. Birthright citizenship is now the rule of the land, and it will take a Constitutional Amendment to change it. Any attempt by Congress or the Executive to work around it will be taken to court and reversed. There is another way to go at it, though:
Use the decision as a basis for immigration law. No visas, no entry without a negative pregnancy test dated no later than 10 days before entry. All visas are now 3 months long, renewable. To renew, it takes a negative pregnancy test, again, no later than 10 days before the renewal request.
Pop pregnant, you are gone, no 2nd chances, no appeals, you are deported.
Call these new rules the Roberts rules, or the Barrett rules. Do it for everyone. H-1B, sports figures, diplomats here as part of a embassy, everyone. Make these rules burdensome, make them intrusive, and apply them vigorously.
Make Roberts and /or Barrett own this decision.
Of course, this will never happen, no Republican has the balls to do malicious compliance, not even a little bit.
And that is why we lose.
I like the way you think, but this is going to be like H1B degrees. They'll start selling negative pregnancy tests, using other people's urine, etc. etc.
Make illegal crossings while pregnant count as human trafficking. Make the punishment severe enough that no one would risk it. Doesn't deal with the ones who become pregnant while here, but it's a start. Layer it on top of your suggestions.
Before if you wanted a draconian immigration policy they'd come back with you're just a mean racist.
Now you can say we have to be extreme because the court won't let us have a nicer, moderate policy.
It's now an automatic reason to give for any anti-immigration policy, one that's not racist and can't be dismissed.
The left loses in the court 9 time only to win on the 10th or 20th or 100th. Nothing is the law of the land.
The country will not last that long. Perhaps not even a single one.
Politics right now matters solely to the extent of jockeying for position before the war starts.
2030s is the pessimistic scenario 2050s is the optimistic one. What Trump is doing is speeding up America's collapse, because that's his role to play. He's collapsing the American empire that will cause the American dollar to lose its global reserve currency status that'll kill the dollar through inflation, and give them the perfect excuse to implement digital currency.
Federalist society recommended Amy Coney Barret…
The federalist society was always controlled opposition. They literally took anyone who wasn’t an outspoken communist, was pro life, and was quasi pro gun.
The evidence is stacking up Trump is a secret mossad agent planted to screw us extra hard.
It's not the end of the would. Just use this ruling to finance a state do the art, $1t wall with Canada and Mexico under national security then ban all non-citizens from the country if they become pregnant. If they fail to report their pregnancy make the penalty, death. A citizen of the USA that's a baby and has no parents because their parents were executed will die on the street or just get picked up and become some jewish satanic ritual pedo child. No big deal.
Appearing incompetent is a diversion from the reality that his administration has failed to achieve anything he campaigned on in 2016, 2020, and 2024, BY DESIGN.
The fact that many of his supporters still can't see this is beyond sad.
Losing through "incompetence" while enriching billionaires and doing the bidding of a tiny shithole country was never an accident.
Build a wall? Not even close to complete. The parts that were built (at least in Texas) still have missing "gates" every couple of miles, leaving 30' wide openings completely unmanned. Even worse, >90% of the Texas wall was never built in the first place, leaving hundreds of miles of border wide open.
Deport at record speed? Bullshit. There are more illegals here now than there were in 2016.
Repeal and Replace ACA/Obamacare? Laughable. Republicans held majority in the Senate and House in 2017-18, and now 2025-26, but can't pass jack shit.
"No new wars", "I'm not going to start a war, I'm going to stop wars.", "[Harris would] start World War Three and get millions of Muslims killed", 2012: "[Obama] will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate." Lol. Lmao, even.
Drill baby, drill and "energy independence"? Check the historic fuel prices from 2009-2016 vs 2017-2020 and 2025-2026. 09-16 Low/High avg: $2.14 / $3.16 17-20 + 25-26 Low/High avg: $2.17 / $4.55
Broker an end to Ukraine v Russia in a matter of days? Did he mean years?
Improve economic conditions and fair trade through tariffs? Inflation continued and increased prices even further as the tariffs were passed directly onto consumers, just as he was warned by everyone who opposed them.
At some point people are going to have to face the reality that none of this is incompetence. It was always by design.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
And native Americans were excluded because they were considered members of a foreign nation, therefore not under US Jurisdiction.
No clue why people give a shit about the supreme court, or any court for that matter. Even since the citizen united, it is clear they are 100% rotten and dont care about us (or the leftists for that matter).
Why do you listen to those idiots anyway? Why do you care?