I'll make it short because time is valuable: my grandfather got diagnosed with cancer, and there is only one real treatment. All others would extend his life/manage his pain, but would not be curative.
Unfortunately, the only treatment is a new form of medication which would cost... $540,000. And that's for a six month supply at $90,000 a month.
But hey, it's not an issue in Canada, right? Healthcare is free?
Well, not exactly. We have to pay medication insurance (no one mentions that by the way) and pay a deductible, but OK, it would be a few thousands maximum, government will cover the rest, right?
... Nope!
Here is the issue:
Grandfather met with a doctor, then another, then another. Along the way, one of them had a discussion with him. I wasn't there of course, but he told me this is how it went.
Doctor: "Treatment blah blah blah side effect blah blah blah."
Grandfather: "I see."
Doctor: "Now, this is not pleasant, but we need to discuss it. What is your vied on MAID - medically-assisted induced death?"
Grandfather: "Never, ever. I am a christian and it's totally opposed to my values. I will never do it."
Doctor: "Alright. So back to treatment, blah blah blah..."
So, what is the issue with that? I will insist upon this: my grandfather is VERY religious. To this day, attends mess, pray, etc. He is 100% opposed to suicide/MAID.
OK so what is the issue? Well, we used freedom of information to get a copy of his medical file and this is what the doctor actually wrote on his file
"xx/xx/2026 - Discussed the possibilty of MAID with patient"
That's it. That was what he wrote for the follow-up for that appointment.
So, here is what happened next.
Doctor signed so he could start treatment. Medication cots $540k.
Medication insurer (government) denies it.
That's right: the treatment is refused. Claim denied. Keep in mind this is his ONLY hope for a cure. Keep in mind it's an approved medication to treat his exact cancer.
Of course, my grandfather is kind of old. Almost 80. Maybe they think it's not worth it to spend $540k to treat him.
Keep in mind my grandfather worked his entire life and paid MILLIONS in taxes.
So anyway, we file an appeal. The case is reviewed, and it's denied again. What for?
Here is what the letter says (rough translation from French):
"Likewise, we see you have already discussed end of life care with a health provider. We fully understand and respect your decision at this point, and the right to die with dignity.
Given your condition andd your intent to ask for a dignified death, we don't believe the treatment as suggested would provided sufficient benefits for you and your cared ones."
... except my grandfather didn't discuss Maid with a doctor. He rejected it. But that one line from the doctor got interpreted as "he is talking about ending his life."
Yes, you read that right.
When I saw that, I was furious. That one line with a doctor - hurr durr he wants to die - got interpreted in such a way that now they're refusing to treat him.
Because it's too costly.
There is no way he can afford the $540k by himself. He'd have to sell his house, go into debt, etc. And given his advanced age...
Yeah, I guess in their system, when you are too old, they just dump you lol. You asked about MAID (I mean, he didn't, the doctor ddid, but it doesn'T matter)? Too bad. You cost too much to treat, so F U.
So now my grandfather is not only facing a life-threatening illness, but having to hire a lawyer to fight that decision. There is no guarantee they change their mind neither. Again, my grandfather paid MILLIONS in taxes, but hey, he's old now (and costing money from his pension plan) so I guess it doesn't matter.
So yes, sorry for taking so long, I'm emotive, but MAID is 100% being used to justify killing old people, whether they want it or not. That doctor basically sentenced him to death.
FYI, I look at the treatment in details, and there are good chances he could be cured, or at least it would massively extend his life (without it, he'd live 3-5 years tops, with it, he could live another 10-25).
I fucking hate this place.
Healthcare providers were never supposed to ever suggest MAID, only respond to a request from the patient.
That went out of the widow pretty-much immediately after euthanasia was legalized.
And yeah, 25% of the time they don't listen and will write incorrect things in your file. And most of the time they don't read the files.
They will ask patients questions and assume they remember correctly instead of checking the files for test results ( the vast majority of patients are not a reliable source as their misremember and forget all the time ).
TL;DR : Surprisingly to no one with a basic understanding of incentives, legalizing euthanasia quickly motivated the government to insist on killing you rather than heal you.
It's not just providers. I read a thread a year or two ago, it's descendants that want the money to go to them rather than medical bills asking for it. From what I read we should just send everyone that's a problem for us to Canada, because they think MAID is the answer to everything.
Third highest cause of death in most demographics is Canada itself.
Pay into the system all your life and still get treated like you're worth nothing.
But the government will pay money to bring over hordes of worthless muds that do nothing but leech more money in their lifetimes.
This should be mandatory reading for every MUH HEALTHCARE reddit soifag.
I'm so sorry. Here in the states nurses abuse the digital records to acuse everyone of being a drug seeker when they have temper tantrums.
It can't be fixed, and it's there for the rest of the patients life. It happened to me, but the nurse was so stupid they lost their job over it. They put in the chart that I asked for morphine. But, I'm allergic to morphine. So IF I had actually asked for morphine they should have requested a physiological evaluation. But, that nurse got aeay with that shit for years because ko one else could prove it was a lie. ( they told me this during the paperwork process)
That's my advice to you. Appeal it with some form of proof that it was a lie. You can also apply to the drug company yourself. Or drug trials.
I remember I went to some podiatrist a handful of years ago. I should have known when I went in there was so much little notices all over about those seeking pain meds. The problem with my foot is that they'd want two weeks to get an appointment, and it would heal in that time. So I'd be in excruciating can't walk pain and by the time I'm at the appointment it's totally fine, but it could recur the next day.
The entire appointment was them arguing I was faking to seek drugs despite me repeating I do not want any sort of prescription at all. I ended up just walking out. I was trying to analyze why I might be walking wrong, wrong footwear, damage to foot, anything else. That's what I thought these doctors were for. I got more help from some sort of computer fitting machine at a boot store.
Because of digital records, don't just walk out anymore. You have to report them. I was told that it can prevent you from getting pepper treatment in the future, and if something does wrong they blame you the patient.
It's fucking insane! I had a wiadome tooth removed about a decade ago. The dentist told me I was already on Xanax, and to tale that for the pain. If I took anxiety medication as regularly as pain medication, I would be abusing the medication! I had to go with just over the counter pain meds. I thought it was the most inhumane ever.
Yeah that was nearly a decade ago, they weren't quite that up to date yet. Honestly I don't recall really seeing digital records heavily until 2020. I'm sure they existed prior, but damn they made sure to have them all talking to each other when they needed to check your vaccination status.
I have little to do with doctors anymore if I can help it. At least for now. I get a bit torn on a situation like this here because in the past few years I've watched a handful of 80+ family waste away miserably, grasping at anything and everything the medical system would allow them so they could breathe just one additional breath. I'd never support this MAID nonsense partly for similar religious stance as OP and the rest being the government using it against everyone. Still, I think there comes a point for myself at that age that instead of fighting thru anything and everything for a bit more time, I just find a nice place I can enjoy life, and just wait.
A nurse friend told me that if you ever go to the hospital and they ask if you drink yoy always say never. Because otherwise it will get put in your chart that you're an alcoholic(they consider anything past 2 drinks a week alcoholism) and you won't get proper care because everyone in the Healthcare system will treat it as alcohol related.
Even though weed is legal in my state, there are medical professionals that are so anti weed they act like you do drugs in front of them. People hide that they have weed cards.
Its not any different in canada. If someone is writhing in pain and dying in the waiting room, they are often pegged as attention seekers trying to get drugs.
Thats what happened to that woman in nova scotia who died after waiting 6 hours for help from her spleen or something I think it was.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/system-broken-woman-dies-emergency-room-1.6707596
In all fairness, a chunk of drug addicts do this, but you would think legally you have to check. Nope not in canada.
Same medical system that refuses to help me too, I mean maid seems like a fucking logical choice at this point. When they flood the media with these stories about whether its right or wrong or whatever, its not the government seeking input.
They are planting the idea in millions of peoples heads.
Makes you wonder if they killed this woman intentionally to harvest her organs or it was just a happy accident.
That's horrific. I was sent to the ER once because my migraine was so bad, it had fucked up all my vitals. My vision was blurry, and I kept throwing up. I had never been sent to ER for a migraine before, so I was already scared I wasn't at ER levels.
When I got there I sat down next to a man who had his bone sticking out of his leg. When he told me he had been there for hours I got up, and left. But, I made a mistake. I called my doctor's office and told them exactly why I left. They told me to go back, and that they would call the ER. After all that the man with the bone sticking out of his leg was still there! And, I swear to God the ER put me in a room next to a crying baby as punishment, which made me keep throw up from migraine pain almost nonstop.
Back then the only thing that worked for me for migraines as Relpax. I didn't realize that knowing my treatment plan was lucky back then. There really are bullies that use their medical profession to hurt people. I've seen it so much in person, and with people sharing their personal experience I am scared to go get treatment. It shows up in my vitals too.
He should just go mexican style: take the expensive treatment and then ignore the bill.
Medical procedures like that won't even consider you without looking at your bank account.
Unless you're a brown invader, natch
It isn't going to change until people like that doctor are, let's call it "persuaded", to change it.
They're the real cancer. And should be excised at once.
It’s 100% not worth it to them to pay for it. I’m sure whatever algorithm they have says it would be a total waste of money (the government would never want to use the taxes you pay to make your life easier!).
Those autodenial algos are in court right now for fraud. People paying for a product that the company has no intention to pay for is fraud.
At this point if you play by the rules you're a chump plain and simple. Find a way to exist outside the (((system))) and undermine it wherever possible. Fuck this gay jewish panopticon.
Stateside the insurance system isn't really any different. It's social medicine with a extra profit element stuck in. If it were me, I'd get rid of almost any of these cost sharing mechanisms and make it small group based. A family, church, community, etc. can build up a savings for medical things and make those decisions instead of feeding it all to the government.
There's a huge mountain to climb on the pricing though way before that. What's irritating is the government and grants pay for a ton of this research, and when they find something they then patent it and demand insane prices to recoup their research dollars that were full of grants and taxpayer money anyway. It's the most obvious with prescription drugs, when suddenly something that $10 a pill is sold in the bottles of 100 for $10 overnight, because a switch flipped and its off-patent. Cancer treatment is likely to cost more mechanically, but $540k? No.
That's not even to mention the fights with those who would ignore it, have no community, etc. as they'd just complain and scream some sort of -ism until it was given to them anyway.
You know damn well of your grandfather was a jew or a nigger they'd approve financing his medication
Only because he's White AND Christian he gets denied TWICE
The system is plainly trying to kill us
Maybe if he pretends to be a woman he'll get a freebie?
At least hes getting some kinda help? May be subpar but there are people, and i know from experience who are stuck in limbo.
I still cant get over the doctor telling me that old people need bones scans more than I do, ive just been suffering from hypophosphatemia for going on 7 years now. No big deal or nothing.
I see boomers on the local reddit complaining about getting blood tests done, ive been waiting and begging for years for simple things like a 24 hour urine collection.
What the fuck is the point of free healthcare if you cant actually get it.
The Liberal Party Gov'ts are targeting "older WHITE Canadians" for MAiD. Like 95% Whites iirc. This is not by accident or a coincidence.
Record all interactions with authorities.
This is a product of public healthcare. If Canadians want to fix their healthcare system they must advocate for fully private healthcare with $0 in government spending toward healthcare.
Thats not how it will work. It will become a two tiered system where the rich can get it very easily and cheap, and the poor will get free service but it will be much worse and more expensive since there will be little accountability to a private organization abusing public tax money.
Itll be fucked, mark my words.
80 is not "old" these days! 90+ is but 80 still has a good decade ahead of them.
All the Karens who rose to power during the Covid-19.84? They mostly became government officials or got on schoolboards to continue harming as many people as possible. It is what they get off on. They will never stop.
Rofl maybe if your a woman. 80 is plenty old for a man.
I dont know how thresholds are rising when everyone is living with such a huge burden of stress. I know at 40+ years old, I feel like 60 from the parathyroidism. But the doctors keep acting like its not a big deal. Ive had enough of it honestly.
As a medical provider, you're reading too much into his note. We dont have time to write an elaborate story in your chart. He likely only put that for legal purposes because it is standard of care where he is required to discuss it - which sounds like the case with how fast he went back to the original topic at hand. Its kinda like talking about smoking cessation with the patient if we know they are a smoker, if the chart gets audited we get dinged. Not sure why you had to do an information request, new HIPAA guidelines allow people full access to their notes. Its kinda a pain in the ass to have a patient asking you to fix typos in their chart, notes are not written for the patient they are a communication and documentation tool. Also here in the US the hoops you have to jump through, presently, are pretty elaborate to pursue this, only times I have seen it approved is for terminal cancer patients who are on high doses of pain meds or have really awful quality of life (incontinence, colostomies they cant change themselves, unable to tolerate nutrition PO). Healthcare isnt a right, you can't force people to go to med school or give a shit (and probably wouldn't want to), every system has its pluses and minuses - I would argue all of them are better than the "just die of fever unless a doctor lives in your town" model that was in place not that long ago.
Just like the ACAB libs that run crying ti cops as soon as the phone they are recording eith gets smacked out of their hand. It's easy to criticize the medical leviathan when your healthy, we all know the story when your appendix ruptures.
The documentation was literally used by professionals to claim the patient was seeking end of life MAID instead of an actual treatment and left MAID as their only option. You are a shit medical professional if you didn't notice that.
Mednigger cope. Your rambling bullshit damaged my cognition more than an mrna jab ever could.
I expect my medical professional to understand the consequences of their notations in my chart to insurance. Simple cause, and effect. If you aren't doing it right then you are causing people problems. He could have put down simply the patient isn't interested.
Do it right the first time.
You're an insufferable faggot, your entire screed is as worthless as you continuing to breathe air. Medical "professionals" like you are as big of a plague upon humanity (I don't and never will consider you human) as the Jews are, you'd rather save and extend the life of a dipshit Mestizo that can't speak English, read or properly operate a vehicle and niggers over law abiding contributing White men.
Your familiarity with charting policy and procedure in the US system does not contradict OP's description of the actual way they're being used in the Canadian system.
The reason there are elaborate hoops are to protect patients from all the perverse incentives. Canada gave up on that.
His grandfather isn't healthy. His suffering is being exacerbated by a broken system. And you're defending a different medical leviathan than the one you've come to accept.
It's not going to change until a LOT of commie faggot politicians are separated from their heads.
Sounds like you should have a discussion about maid with the doctor in his home at night while his children watch
I'm someone who writes medical notes and that phrase "Discussed treatment X with Patient" is one I've written many times.
It's such a bullshit phrase.
Well technically he's not wrong. He did discuss maid with patient...
quebec at its finest. scamdec, almost fell for it once.