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The Goths were a multi-ethnic society including African according to new grave studies (www.newscientist.com)
posted 79 days ago by Mpetey123 79 days ago by Mpetey123 +27 / -0
The ancient Goths were an ethnically diverse group
Ancient DNA reveals that the Goths of eastern Europe, some of whom would ultimately sack the city of Rome, may have been a mix of peoples from three continents
www.newscientist.com
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– HugJugBox 28 points 79 days ago +28 / -0

There's no way. Ancient Goths (circa 2000) were some of the palest folks out there. There is no amount of makeup that could make Africans look like that....

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– WeedleTLiar 24 points 79 days ago +24 / -0

Africans != sub-saharans

All of North Africa, until the Muslim invasions around 800AD, were as White as the Romans (who outright owned it for hundreds of years).

Unless these "studies" call them Ethiopians or Nubians, they weren't Black.

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– theaustrianpainter 17 points 79 days ago +17 / -0

When this gets to the jewbox, North African Arabs will magically become sub Saharan Africans.

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– DresdenFirefighter1 12 points 79 days ago +12 / -0

They already did that with Cleopatra

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– Mpetey123 [S] 9 points 79 days ago +9 / -0

They say North African. But you have people saying the North African Carthagians are black.

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– Smith1980 8 points 79 days ago +8 / -0

Precisely why I don’t trust these articles. Like if one sub Saharan African was documented to have been in medieval England that justifies modern day period pieces

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– CatoTheElder 4 points 79 days ago +4 / -0

The Phonecians were not White, they were from the middle east.

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– WeedleTLiar 4 points 79 days ago +4 / -0

Fair, but they were destroyed by the Romans 500 years before the period we're talking about.

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– CatoTheElder 5 points 79 days ago +5 / -0

The Romans didn't ethnically replace the Phonecians, they just ruled them.

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– Shadys_Back 10 points 79 days ago +10 / -0

We're talking about the same "experts" that insist two soldiers that died next to each other were "obviously" gay lovers.

The damn "experts" have no authority, no legitimacy!

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– TheKidsAreAltRight 15 points 79 days ago +15 / -0

No thanks. I like my Goths how I like my picket fence.

Pale.

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– dagthegnome 8 points 79 days ago +8 / -0

Yo, Zeno, my nigga. Step to me and see wassup!

-Odoacer

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– current_horror 7 points 79 days ago +7 / -0

Your culture doesn't exist and is irredeemably evil and is wonderfully diverse.

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– ParadoxSepi 7 points 79 days ago +7 / -0

Yup, just like that person was 100% black in that Celtic grave they gloated about few years ago.

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– Belenus 9 points 79 days ago +9 / -0

These stories must have a dice labelled with different DEIverse options for what is going to get claimed next.

"In today's news, a local archeology team found found remains of a /rolls d6: trans pygmy dwarf who while actually 7 feet tall identified as 4 foot 2."

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– LastRights 5 points 79 days ago +5 / -0

They're counting on you not having read the article.

It's trash: it's a study on 38 people from two sites, one of which was Roman and the other may have been under a Gothic bishop's oversight.

To learn more about who the Goths were, Stamov and his colleagues sequenced the genomes of 38 people from two sites in Bulgaria. They say both can be identified as Gothic by characteristic beads and jewellery, burial practices and skull modifications.

Near a palace called the Aul of Khan Omurtag, there was a necropolis that seems to have been part of a Gothic bishop’s ecclesiastical see, dating from about AD 350 to 489. The site has been tentatively linked to an early Gothic Christian bishop called Wulfila or Ulfilas.

They also took samples from an older site, the Aquae Calidae necropolis, from about 320 to 375. This was a Roman healing centre and bath house, not a cemetery, but there were multiple bodies buried there. “One of the samples had artificial skull deformation, which is not typical for Roman times and speaks of a different culture,” says Stamov.

People from the two sites were markedly different genetically, but both groups showed a mix of ancestries. The peoples were descended from populations as far afield as Scandinavia, the Caucasus, the Levant, Anatolia (modern Turkey), East Asia (modern Mongolia), Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa. “It’s an extremely diverse community,” says Stamov.

A key factor may have been the importance of Arianism, an early version of Christianity. “It’s very welcoming to anybody,” says team member Todor Chobanov at the Institute for Balkan Studies and Center of Thracology in Sofia, Bulgaria. “Anybody could be an Arian Christian.”

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The ideas that Goths were “complex and diverse” and that “people didn’t have a one-to-one tie between ancestry and ethnic identity” are good ones, says James Harland at the University of Bonn in Germany. However, he says the team has not sequenced enough genomes to have a good sampling. He also argues that you cannot reliably infer a person’s ethnicity from their artefacts, so the presence of seemingly Gothic artefacts doesn’t mean the people in the graves were really Goths.

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– Belenus 9 points 79 days ago +9 / -0

"Goths were black n shiet!"

Or, you know, it was slaves/servants/a mass grave from naegleria or legionella deaths from the water.

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– Mpetey123 [S] 4 points 79 days ago +4 / -0

I'm guessing within a few years every European tribe, country, state will be discovered as multi-ethnic. Only African and Asian societies will be pure, oh forgot the indigenous Americans.

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– OnceMore 3 points 79 days ago +3 / -0

Gay and jewish

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– Mpetey123 [S] 2 points 79 days ago +2 / -0

I couldn't find a free version of the article

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– BeefyBelisarius 10 points 79 days ago +10 / -0

Which is fine; if you've seen one we wuz lie you've seen them all.

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– MAGAnic316 2 points 78 days ago +2 / -0

This is a great article because I actually know a bit about history.

My FAKE history needs some work though, so again this is a great article 👌

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– KyleIsThisTall 1 point 77 days ago +1 / -0

Yeah just like cheddar man

How did that turn out

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