Fair. When I hear "bred" in the context of humans, it comes across as vulgar and in the realm of girls with pregnancy kinks, instead of "born and raised a family" being the less sexual way to say the same thing.
I'm aware, I spend a lot of time in the company of the worst types of people trying to pull them out of the dirt. Its why I originally tried to be a therapist in my younger days.
Perhaps its effected my perception of the world more than I thought, but I also find "bred" to still be more animalistic than need be when applied to humans.
I am unashamed to admit I spend a chunk of time in the company of Lefties, degenerates, and other sinners of the highest order. Its useful to not only understand their mindsets, but sometimes you pull someone back.
In this case, I never hear the word "bred" outside of animals and said degenerates, and didn't know it was common in other areas of the country/world to be normal.
Well that's what I meant by context of humans. You hear it all the time in regards to animal husbandry for eugenical means like that, and that's what makes it so vulgar to use on a person.
I don't think that's the cause. "Born and raised" is more American. "Born and bred" is more British. I think you're seeing America overtake Britain in English-language publishing output. Color vs. colour would indicate that as earlier, but bread v. raised could also be an indicator of New England losing its dominance in US publishing.
Bloodlines / breeding have always been more important to England than the US. Consider the idiom, "well-bred" meaning "mannered." You might occasionally still hear something like that in New England where there's a remaining hint of class dynasties, but you're not going to hear it in the rest of the states.
"Born and raised" is more American. "Born and bred" is more British. I think you're seeing America overtake Britain in English-language publishing output.
Clearly this is Will Smith's fault and the lyrics to Fresh Prince.
Color vs. colour would indicate that as earlier
That happened because of American anti-Franco sentiment more than anything.
That isn't it at all. "Born and raised" is something you would see in an encyclopedia. It is clean, corporate, passive.
"Born and bred" is something you would hear from a redneck right before a barfight. It is a southern (US) thing, and definitely not a Yankee (northerner) thing. It has connotations of pride and heritage, of being a product of a place. I've never heard of someone being proud of being from the North East, of being proud of being from the land of dumpsters and gang wars, of being proud of being from the land of homelessness and backstabbing. Around here, anytime someone mentions they are from New York it is with a hint of shame.
I think it's probably just a language/region difference. First result for "born and bred" is a British TV show. Another top result is a store for "gifts and accessories, created by artisans and craftspeople in Northern Ireland." So seems to be linked with a strong communal sense.
So I think it is just a regional thing. A bunch of Reddit results (as an aside, I really wish search engines would stop weighing Reddit so damn high, it's just retards yapping, for fucks sake!) from Ireland, one from the Netherlands. Merriam Webster has it listed.
So, I'd agree it seems slightly weird to me as an American - I would also use 'born and raised' - but it seems totally normal for Brits.
She did absolutely nothing wrong, and the saddest part is even she thinks she did! That she catches herself is the worst and scariest part. And they still want to argue they have free speech!
So its British, and downstream European English mostly, which would explain why I'd never heard it. Another useful point of learning. A lot of British slang and idioms seem quite vulgar for common discussion (like politicians), and this seems to continue that trend.
She did absolutely nothing wrong
Agree entirely. The meaning is clear regardless, and wouldn't need to be investigated in any sense.
The only way it would is if you take it completely literally as I did, and she was literally bred like an animal in her hometown. In the way a group of people like idk say Muslims would. But that would be too smart for the Brits, and we all knew that wasn't the case whatsoever.
A lot of British slang and idioms seem quite vulgar...
It's just older, I think. Like someone else mentioned, there's been a massive pussification of language. So an older more entrenched version, like in Europe, is more likely to stick around.
Also, there are almost certainly vulgar American idioms that seem perfectly normal to us, but strange to foreigners.
The meaning has become vulgar. Don't read it as "fucking," read it as "having a pedigree from," in the context of how class and bloodlines have been traditionally important in England.
But more importantly, it's just an idiom. She's given no thought to the word "born" or "bred," individually. She says "born and bred" because that phrase as a whole means, "I have lifelong roots in this place."
Born and "bred" is an odd thing to say, instead of raised. Not enough for any of this obviously, but I'd certainly rib somebody for saying.
It definitely isn't an odd thing to say. Perhaps specifically where you live but not in the English-speaking world as a whole.
Fair. When I hear "bred" in the context of humans, it comes across as vulgar and in the realm of girls with pregnancy kinks, instead of "born and raised a family" being the less sexual way to say the same thing.
That’s because you’re too proximate to degeneracy lol
I'm aware, I spend a lot of time in the company of the worst types of people trying to pull them out of the dirt. Its why I originally tried to be a therapist in my younger days.
Perhaps its effected my perception of the world more than I thought, but I also find "bred" to still be more animalistic than need be when applied to humans.
Incredible self-report.
I am unashamed to admit I spend a chunk of time in the company of Lefties, degenerates, and other sinners of the highest order. Its useful to not only understand their mindsets, but sometimes you pull someone back.
In this case, I never hear the word "bred" outside of animals and said degenerates, and didn't know it was common in other areas of the country/world to be normal.
Or eugenics. Bred for sports or something like that.
Well that's what I meant by context of humans. You hear it all the time in regards to animal husbandry for eugenical means like that, and that's what makes it so vulgar to use on a person.
No, it isn’t. You’re simply unfamiliar with the phrase. I’ve heard it my entire life.
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=born+and+bred%2C+born+and+raised&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3
This is actually an interesting graph. There is definitely a decline in the phrase thanks to the pussificaion of language.
I don't think that's the cause. "Born and raised" is more American. "Born and bred" is more British. I think you're seeing America overtake Britain in English-language publishing output. Color vs. colour would indicate that as earlier, but bread v. raised could also be an indicator of New England losing its dominance in US publishing.
Bloodlines / breeding have always been more important to England than the US. Consider the idiom, "well-bred" meaning "mannered." You might occasionally still hear something like that in New England where there's a remaining hint of class dynasties, but you're not going to hear it in the rest of the states.
Clearly this is Will Smith's fault and the lyrics to Fresh Prince.
That happened because of American anti-Franco sentiment more than anything.
That isn't it at all. "Born and raised" is something you would see in an encyclopedia. It is clean, corporate, passive.
"Born and bred" is something you would hear from a redneck right before a barfight. It is a southern (US) thing, and definitely not a Yankee (northerner) thing. It has connotations of pride and heritage, of being a product of a place. I've never heard of someone being proud of being from the North East, of being proud of being from the land of dumpsters and gang wars, of being proud of being from the land of homelessness and backstabbing. Around here, anytime someone mentions they are from New York it is with a hint of shame.
The issue is the increasing corporateness of language which is forced from New York (where the majority of the publishing houses are, just check the headquarters of the companies listed here: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/publisher-news/article/72889-ranking-america-s-largest-publishers.html The only one on the list that isn't either London or New York is Disney Publishing Worldwide, which is California). Everything must be inoffensive and bland.
That is very interesting, I appreciate you showing it.
Somedays you don't know that something you assume is universal is only localized until its right in front of you.
The wrestler Taz used to have the catchphrase, "Brooklyn born, Brooklyn bred, and when I die I'll be Brooklyn dead."
Kevin Nash told us "play" was an adjective, so I don't trust them with grammar in anyway.
Not really the argument. Just an example of born and bred being used.
I think it's probably just a language/region difference. First result for "born and bred" is a British TV show. Another top result is a store for "gifts and accessories, created by artisans and craftspeople in Northern Ireland." So seems to be linked with a strong communal sense.
So I think it is just a regional thing. A bunch of Reddit results (as an aside, I really wish search engines would stop weighing Reddit so damn high, it's just retards yapping, for fucks sake!) from Ireland, one from the Netherlands. Merriam Webster has it listed.
So, I'd agree it seems slightly weird to me as an American - I would also use 'born and raised' - but it seems totally normal for Brits.
She did absolutely nothing wrong, and the saddest part is even she thinks she did! That she catches herself is the worst and scariest part. And they still want to argue they have free speech!
So its British, and downstream European English mostly, which would explain why I'd never heard it. Another useful point of learning. A lot of British slang and idioms seem quite vulgar for common discussion (like politicians), and this seems to continue that trend.
Agree entirely. The meaning is clear regardless, and wouldn't need to be investigated in any sense.
The only way it would is if you take it completely literally as I did, and she was literally bred like an animal in her hometown. In the way a group of people like idk say Muslims would. But that would be too smart for the Brits, and we all knew that wasn't the case whatsoever.
It's just older, I think. Like someone else mentioned, there's been a massive pussification of language. So an older more entrenched version, like in Europe, is more likely to stick around.
Also, there are almost certainly vulgar American idioms that seem perfectly normal to us, but strange to foreigners.
The meaning has become vulgar. Don't read it as "fucking," read it as "having a pedigree from," in the context of how class and bloodlines have been traditionally important in England.
But more importantly, it's just an idiom. She's given no thought to the word "born" or "bred," individually. She says "born and bred" because that phrase as a whole means, "I have lifelong roots in this place."