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UK police investigates because a politician said she was 'born and bred' in her hometown. (twitter.com)
posted 239 days ago by horstshort 239 days ago by horstshort +120 / -0
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– CatoTheElder 9 points 239 days ago +9 / -0

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=born+and+bred%2C+born+and+raised&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3

This is actually an interesting graph. There is definitely a decline in the phrase thanks to the pussificaion of language.

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– ernsithe 5 points 239 days ago +5 / -0

the pussificaion of language.

I don't think that's the cause. "Born and raised" is more American. "Born and bred" is more British. I think you're seeing America overtake Britain in English-language publishing output. Color vs. colour would indicate that as earlier, but bread v. raised could also be an indicator of New England losing its dominance in US publishing.

Bloodlines / breeding have always been more important to England than the US. Consider the idiom, "well-bred" meaning "mannered." You might occasionally still hear something like that in New England where there's a remaining hint of class dynasties, but you're not going to hear it in the rest of the states.

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– TheKidsAreAltRight 7 points 238 days ago +7 / -0

"Born and raised" is more American. "Born and bred" is more British. I think you're seeing America overtake Britain in English-language publishing output.

Clearly this is Will Smith's fault and the lyrics to Fresh Prince.

Color vs. colour would indicate that as earlier

That happened because of American anti-Franco sentiment more than anything.

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– CatoTheElder 2 points 239 days ago +2 / -0

That isn't it at all. "Born and raised" is something you would see in an encyclopedia. It is clean, corporate, passive.

"Born and bred" is something you would hear from a redneck right before a barfight. It is a southern (US) thing, and definitely not a Yankee (northerner) thing. It has connotations of pride and heritage, of being a product of a place. I've never heard of someone being proud of being from the North East, of being proud of being from the land of dumpsters and gang wars, of being proud of being from the land of homelessness and backstabbing. Around here, anytime someone mentions they are from New York it is with a hint of shame.

The issue is the increasing corporateness of language which is forced from New York (where the majority of the publishing houses are, just check the headquarters of the companies listed here: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/publisher-news/article/72889-ranking-america-s-largest-publishers.html The only one on the list that isn't either London or New York is Disney Publishing Worldwide, which is California). Everything must be inoffensive and bland.

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– Adamrises 2 points 239 days ago +2 / -0

That is very interesting, I appreciate you showing it.

Somedays you don't know that something you assume is universal is only localized until its right in front of you.

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