Vatican 2 is fake and gay!
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Speaking as a dirty, protestant heretic, as Christians we all ought to take Christ seriously when He said "No one comes to the Father but through Me."
As a Deist I say "Meh! If God wanted me to act a specific way, why did He give me freewill?"
Why would He even need to create automatons? We already have ants and things.
Those sad lost souls over on r/Atheism make the best case for a hell on earth existing, endlessly parroting the "if God real why bad things" cliche. As though a "loving" Father is just a genie that gives you what you want so that you can want more. None of them see that their misery is their own doing and they're cursed to meaningless suffering chasing dopamine hits until they die.
They also miss a couple facts, first that a loving father will want his children to grow strong. You can't grow strong without struggle, so of course there will be bad things. Secondly, not all are chosen. "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:44
It'd be a pretty shit game if you never left the tutorial.
A loving father is a human, with all the flaws that implies.
Your church and religion makes the claim that your god is perfect and almighty. Thus, by your own doctrinal logic, evil is either an error in the great work, and thus your god is neither perfect nor almighty, or entirely intentional and necessary to the great work, and thus your god intentionally created evil and misery and inflicted it upon people while calling itself perfectly good and righteous, which meets your own criteria of evil in every respect except the "doesn't listen to god" requirement, which itself becomes hard to consider tenable when the god under consideration cannot be considered an impartial and righteous moral arbitrator, on account of willingly creating the perpetrating evil.
And please don't answer this with the standard "whatever my god says is good is obviously good, it makes the rules" response; excusing evil because the one committing the evil holds overwhelming power isn't acceptable even in your own moral framework.
And who are you to define good or evil? Look at the world around you. There are (((postmodernists))) redefining those terms for their own ends all the time.
This is a tired old argument and I'm not interested in pursuing it. I won't change your mind and you won't change mine.
God created the universe to be perfect for His purposes. What are those? We have no idea. But perfection can include flaws too. Without bad things, how would we know what the good things are?
As an ignorant Christian, you are free to do as you want but God chooses who can spend eternity with Him. Similar with how we choose with whom to associate.
I'm probably wrong but as far as I could see there is no hell per say in the Bible but rather you're not with God if you don't fallow the rules.
Read it again, Jesus talks about hell in the parable of the wedding banquet the whole "they will be cast out, where there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth"
Revelation literally says Hell will come to Earth in the final days "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him" Revelation 6:8
I said I'm probably wrong. I knew about the parable but as I see it the gnashing of teeth comes from not being let in but Revelation does prove me wrong
Also in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.
Have the Catholics considered making a list of all their problems with the Vatican? They can even nail it to the door of their church to really send a message.
The laity have absolutely no say in the matter, is the thing. We vote with our feet. Traditionalism grows yearly. For a lot of people, Vigano was the last straw.
Leo having more interest in "muh open borders" than prosecuting pedophiles in his ranks says more than enough.
If you haven' church problems, I feel bad for ya son. We got 99 problems and a priest ain't one.
Maybe the opposite this one. https://www.virgosacrata.com/dogmas.html
Both are incorrect. But I will contend that any faith in Jesus Christ is good faith.
Yes, Jhon 3:16.
So long as you love the Lord and repent your sins, you're probably gonna make it.
The doctrine "extra ecclesiam nulla salus" (outside the Church there is no salvation) has been affirmed by numerous popes, ecumenical councils, and saints throughout Church history. Pope Innocent III, speaking at the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215, declared that "there is one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all is saved". Pope Boniface VIII, in his 1302 Papal Bull Unam Sanctam, asserted that "it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff". Pope Eugene IV, at the Council of Florence (1438–1445), proclaimed that those not living within the Catholic Church, including pagans, Jews, heretics, and schismatics, "cannot become participants in eternal life" and will go to "everlasting fire" unless they join the Church before death. Pope Pius IX emphasized the necessity of the Catholic faith for salvation in his 1849 encyclical Nostis et Nobiscum. The Council of Trent, under Pope Pius IV, also declared that "this true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved". Numerous saints and Church Fathers, including St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, and St. Robert Bellarmine, have echoed this teaching, with Aquinas stating that "there is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church".
I don't need salvation in the next life. I need the world to be fixed in this life. And that sure as fuck isn't going to happen with a religion that puts itself above blood.
It wasn't "fixed" before you were born and it won't after you're dead. You are not the protagonist of the universe.
Before I was born there were plenty of periods in human history when the world wasn't nearly as fucked as it is today. I'd rather concentrate on perhaps creating paradise in this life than paradise in the after life for which I have to worship a Jew.
What periods of history were these where they weren't strictly governed by theological morals?
Are you trying to make the argument that without Christianity morality wouldn't exist?
I'm not going to give Christianity credit for the basic moral framework that a settled society needs to even function.
But to answer your question classical antiquity wasn't governed by theological morals.
Nowhere in my comment did I mention Christianity. But congrats on outing yourself as another Christian-hating anti-theist.
It was literally based on the religious pantheon, which did, in fact, govern both their societal structures for morality and their political system(s):
https://prezi.com/bcg7h2voysqy/ancient-greecepolitical-system/
https://fiveable.me/greek-and-roman-cities/unit-2/role-religion-politics-greek-city-life/study-guide/eGIhSikAqxoQCx0m
Try again.
I'm pretty open about despising all three Abrahamic religions.
The Roman and Greek societies religion did not govern day to day life in any way close to as Christianity, Islam and Judaism does. An equivalent to the bible, quran or torah did not exist.
I wonder if the various branches of Orthodoxy say similar. Or which Catholics thought they were going where at the time of the Avignon papacy.
And yes Vatican II is trash. Tridentine Mass FTW.