Technically they're not wrong about it being men's fault for not controlling women. If men had simply said "No" when feminists started shrieking, we would not be here.
There is literally nothing women could do if men simply told them, "No".
Women cannot enforce their own ideals, nor can they defend their own rights. Men have to do it for them, and every beta-simp out there who keeps defending bad policies in favour of women are the ones that are truly at fault, as women are too weak to defend their own freedoms.
Who is the government made up of? Are you saying that women have run the government since the dawn of first-world Western nations? That women have been ruling over men this entire time and men have been under the matriarchal rulership since judicial systems have been in place? Are you saying no men have been in positions of power to deny women authority or governance over domestic policies?
This is correct. Violence is the supreme temporal authority. And they're distinctly inferior at it. So called women's rights continue to exist only because they are tolerated.
It may be men's fault for giving women freedom, but it is women's fault for abusing the freedom we gave them. There's no reason to absolve them of accountability.
No one is absolving them of accountability -- but plain and simple, they are not mentally capable enough to responsibly utilise what freedoms they have been allowed to have.
It has been the fault of men to give them their unearned freedoms, and make no mistake about it: NO woman has ever earned her freedom.
This is why every single previous civilisation wisely limited the freedoms of women because they already knew they were not mature nor intelligent enough to utilise the same freedoms as men.
Now everyone is suffering because men continue to refuse to tell women "No!".
I wouldn't agree that nobody is trying to absolve them of accountability, but I do agree it was a mistake for society to grant them the freedom they have today. The "trad man" that OP was mocking is the type of guy who dismisses men's complaints by saying that it's our fault when, individually, we don't actually have the ability to tell women "No".
I honestly wouldn't mind that chiding half as much if the state wouldn't put you in a federal pound you in the ass prison for attempting said control over women.
I like Jay Dyer but he has this kind of view on things. It's really easy for him to say that when he is already married to a woman who (so far) isn't a psycho, and it is really easy for him to say that when his wealth is largely in Bitcoin and not something the Feds have easy access to.
He put out a video a couple days ago about how even though things are shit and trying to date is a nightmare, we as men have to man up and risk stepping on a nuclear landmine in order to save the west, etc.
Like, that's nice and all. I don't have a problem handling a woman. I however, cannot fend off the entirety of my local police department when she inevitably calls a DV complaint against me when I tell her that she can't spend $20k on a purse or go clubbing when she's married. I cannot survive the SWAT team busting into my house with MP5 SMGs flashbangs, and shotguns, when all I have is a little handgun. I am at the mercy of the law and at the mercy of a gang of men armed with machine guns.
Laws have to change, and more importantly, culture has to change before men are going to be able to be men the way he thinks we need to be. I agree with him that men have to step up, but doing it the way he says right now with the culture we have is just going to put thousands of young men in prison who shouldn't be there.
The real struggle is going to be getting women to pressure and shame other women into not doing shit like false DV claims, but they have been so brainwashed by feminists who think a man glancing in their direction counts as sexual assault that it might not be possible within our lifetimes, if at all.
Reading your comment made me think of the post the other day where it was something like “50% of the Dearborn, Michigan police force is now Muslims” and the police chief is all habdullah praise be in a press conference. On the one hand, that’s a downfall of western civilization. On the other, they might not give a shit about any of the weaponized BS DV claims.
Inb4 a good trad man steps up to tell us no guys actually its all men's fault for 1) not controlling the women and 2) only using women for sex.
Technically they're not wrong about it being men's fault for not controlling women. If men had simply said "No" when feminists started shrieking, we would not be here.
There is literally nothing women could do if men simply told them, "No".
Women cannot enforce their own ideals, nor can they defend their own rights. Men have to do it for them, and every beta-simp out there who keeps defending bad policies in favour of women are the ones that are truly at fault, as women are too weak to defend their own freedoms.
Reframing civil rights as the government forcing black people onto white people at gun point was an eye opener for me
Who is the government made up of? Are you saying that women have run the government since the dawn of first-world Western nations? That women have been ruling over men this entire time and men have been under the matriarchal rulership since judicial systems have been in place? Are you saying no men have been in positions of power to deny women authority or governance over domestic policies?
This is correct. Violence is the supreme temporal authority. And they're distinctly inferior at it. So called women's rights continue to exist only because they are tolerated.
It may be men's fault for giving women freedom, but it is women's fault for abusing the freedom we gave them. There's no reason to absolve them of accountability.
No one is absolving them of accountability -- but plain and simple, they are not mentally capable enough to responsibly utilise what freedoms they have been allowed to have.
It has been the fault of men to give them their unearned freedoms, and make no mistake about it: NO woman has ever earned her freedom.
This is why every single previous civilisation wisely limited the freedoms of women because they already knew they were not mature nor intelligent enough to utilise the same freedoms as men.
Now everyone is suffering because men continue to refuse to tell women "No!".
I wouldn't agree that nobody is trying to absolve them of accountability, but I do agree it was a mistake for society to grant them the freedom they have today. The "trad man" that OP was mocking is the type of guy who dismisses men's complaints by saying that it's our fault when, individually, we don't actually have the ability to tell women "No".
I honestly wouldn't mind that chiding half as much if the state wouldn't put you in a federal pound you in the ass prison for attempting said control over women.
I like Jay Dyer but he has this kind of view on things. It's really easy for him to say that when he is already married to a woman who (so far) isn't a psycho, and it is really easy for him to say that when his wealth is largely in Bitcoin and not something the Feds have easy access to.
He put out a video a couple days ago about how even though things are shit and trying to date is a nightmare, we as men have to man up and risk stepping on a nuclear landmine in order to save the west, etc.
Like, that's nice and all. I don't have a problem handling a woman. I however, cannot fend off the entirety of my local police department when she inevitably calls a DV complaint against me when I tell her that she can't spend $20k on a purse or go clubbing when she's married. I cannot survive the SWAT team busting into my house with MP5 SMGs flashbangs, and shotguns, when all I have is a little handgun. I am at the mercy of the law and at the mercy of a gang of men armed with machine guns.
Laws have to change, and more importantly, culture has to change before men are going to be able to be men the way he thinks we need to be. I agree with him that men have to step up, but doing it the way he says right now with the culture we have is just going to put thousands of young men in prison who shouldn't be there.
The real struggle is going to be getting women to pressure and shame other women into not doing shit like false DV claims, but they have been so brainwashed by feminists who think a man glancing in their direction counts as sexual assault that it might not be possible within our lifetimes, if at all.
Reading your comment made me think of the post the other day where it was something like “50% of the Dearborn, Michigan police force is now Muslims” and the police chief is all habdullah praise be in a press conference. On the one hand, that’s a downfall of western civilization. On the other, they might not give a shit about any of the weaponized BS DV claims.
Well it's mens fault for letting women do what they please
It's the fault of every man who didn't gas the [R16]s before we came to this.