Technically they're not wrong about it being men's fault for not controlling women. If men had simply said "No" when feminists started shrieking, we would not be here.
There is literally nothing women could do if men simply told them, "No".
Women cannot enforce their own ideals, nor can they defend their own rights. Men have to do it for them, and every beta-simp out there who keeps defending bad policies in favour of women are the ones that are truly at fault, as women are too weak to defend their own freedoms.
Who is the government made up of? Are you saying that women have run the government since the dawn of first-world Western nations? That women have been ruling over men this entire time and men have been under the matriarchal rulership since judicial systems have been in place? Are you saying no men have been in positions of power to deny women authority or governance over domestic policies?
This is correct. Violence is the supreme temporal authority. And they're distinctly inferior at it. So called women's rights continue to exist only because they are tolerated.
It may be men's fault for giving women freedom, but it is women's fault for abusing the freedom we gave them. There's no reason to absolve them of accountability.
No one is absolving them of accountability -- but plain and simple, they are not mentally capable enough to responsibly utilise what freedoms they have been allowed to have.
It has been the fault of men to give them their unearned freedoms, and make no mistake about it: NO woman has ever earned her freedom.
This is why every single previous civilisation wisely limited the freedoms of women because they already knew they were not mature nor intelligent enough to utilise the same freedoms as men.
Now everyone is suffering because men continue to refuse to tell women "No!".
I wouldn't agree that nobody is trying to absolve them of accountability, but I do agree it was a mistake for society to grant them the freedom they have today. The "trad man" that OP was mocking is the type of guy who dismisses men's complaints by saying that it's our fault when, individually, we don't actually have the ability to tell women "No".
I think it still rests on the individual man to support policies and other local leaders who need to rise up and defenestrate women of their rights.
You're right that as individuals, the most we can do is tell women within our local vicinity "No!' when it comes to accommodating their tripe.
I do also understand OP's point about the tradcucks who constantly dismiss the issues women bring to the table by putting all the blame on men (this is even a growing trend within some manosphere circles, too).
But, individually, men still need to mobilise (where possible) to deny women leverage (viz., if you're the boss of a business, do not elevate or put a woman in power... ever), or to support/start grassroots committees who aim to re-establish power for men.
There is still an unhealthy amount of blue-pilled men out there who vehemently decry and putdown red pill content or still claim that things like "misandry isn't a problem because men still have institutional power".
These kinds of men are still a large portion of the normie community; and so, women will never be put in their place if these men keep making excuses for them.
Technically they're not wrong about it being men's fault for not controlling women. If men had simply said "No" when feminists started shrieking, we would not be here.
There is literally nothing women could do if men simply told them, "No".
Women cannot enforce their own ideals, nor can they defend their own rights. Men have to do it for them, and every beta-simp out there who keeps defending bad policies in favour of women are the ones that are truly at fault, as women are too weak to defend their own freedoms.
Reframing civil rights as the government forcing black people onto white people at gun point was an eye opener for me
Who is the government made up of? Are you saying that women have run the government since the dawn of first-world Western nations? That women have been ruling over men this entire time and men have been under the matriarchal rulership since judicial systems have been in place? Are you saying no men have been in positions of power to deny women authority or governance over domestic policies?
This is correct. Violence is the supreme temporal authority. And they're distinctly inferior at it. So called women's rights continue to exist only because they are tolerated.
It may be men's fault for giving women freedom, but it is women's fault for abusing the freedom we gave them. There's no reason to absolve them of accountability.
No one is absolving them of accountability -- but plain and simple, they are not mentally capable enough to responsibly utilise what freedoms they have been allowed to have.
It has been the fault of men to give them their unearned freedoms, and make no mistake about it: NO woman has ever earned her freedom.
This is why every single previous civilisation wisely limited the freedoms of women because they already knew they were not mature nor intelligent enough to utilise the same freedoms as men.
Now everyone is suffering because men continue to refuse to tell women "No!".
I wouldn't agree that nobody is trying to absolve them of accountability, but I do agree it was a mistake for society to grant them the freedom they have today. The "trad man" that OP was mocking is the type of guy who dismisses men's complaints by saying that it's our fault when, individually, we don't actually have the ability to tell women "No".
This is true to an extent.
I think it still rests on the individual man to support policies and other local leaders who need to rise up and defenestrate women of their rights.
You're right that as individuals, the most we can do is tell women within our local vicinity "No!' when it comes to accommodating their tripe.
I do also understand OP's point about the tradcucks who constantly dismiss the issues women bring to the table by putting all the blame on men (this is even a growing trend within some manosphere circles, too).
But, individually, men still need to mobilise (where possible) to deny women leverage (viz., if you're the boss of a business, do not elevate or put a woman in power... ever), or to support/start grassroots committees who aim to re-establish power for men.
There is still an unhealthy amount of blue-pilled men out there who vehemently decry and putdown red pill content or still claim that things like "misandry isn't a problem because men still have institutional power".
These kinds of men are still a large portion of the normie community; and so, women will never be put in their place if these men keep making excuses for them.