This always weirds me out, and not just in relation to Nick Fuentes, but it's especially weird seeing it on this issue, because it's either people instinctively mirroring each other, or it's a psyop.
I've never seen Nick Fuentes described as specifically "absurdly talented" until recently, when Tucker praised him while calling him a gay basement dweller.
Honestly, the more people I see call Nick Fuentes "very talented, no matter what you think of him," the more my suspicion grows.
Is he? Maybe, I honestly don't watch him, so I wouldn't know. But what I have seem of him, he comes across as smarmy and unlikable. I could be missing some nuance, but you'd think if he was actually amazingly talented, he wouldn't have the 'gay femboy' reputation. Me? If I was insanely talented, and wanted to push my opinions on others, I'd be a strongman, I'd be a masculine leader, I'd be magnetic. Not a smug and obnoxious dude of indeterminate sexuality. Although, sure, maybe I'm missing something, and he's outplaying me. Honestly, there's a lot of men struggling out there, so maybe his whole "I'm a based chad, but also sort of a virgin loser" vibe plays well. I don't hate Fuentes, and I admit to not understanding him. But, I don't know, this whole "incredibly talented" thing strikes me as artificial.
It's like when I hear people tell me Obama, or Hitler, was charismatic. I don't speak German, so I can't comment on Hitler, but Obama was merely above average. He wasn't a genius. Fuentes also doesn't come across as a genius. Again, could be misreading things, and I'll allow he's above average, and is very competent in selling his brand, but this new thing of praising him for being generationally talented is a bit weird, if you ask me.
Adams has always big on "persuasion," thinks himself an expert, and likes to theory craft about it. So I absolutely believe that he looks at the reach and notoriety of Fuentes and considers that to be a talent. But unfortunately, I think you're also right about there being some hivemind going on.
Obama had the huge benefit of George W. Bush being the most recent comparison point for presidential speeches at the time.
Yeah, Nick does it without a guest or a co-host. Or notes or a teleprompter AFAICT.
I'm actually surprised Nick is as popular as he is with his mostly room temperature IQ audience.
His main monologues can last two hours without interruption and go very deep into glowie & Jewish lore. They also start pretty late on the east coast because Nick is a faggot who can't keep a schedule.
His talks that aren't catty drama or mogging his groyper superchatters can be pretty dry.
The skill is impressive nonetheless but it can come off many times like a school lecture above the retention & comprehension of the average mouthbreather.
I'm actually surprised Nick is as popular as he is with his mostly room temperature IQ audience.
I'm not. The ability to put things to words that his audience feels deep down but can't quite articulate is a very powerful thing. It's the very reason that the establishment is always pushing for censorship.
Nick Fuentes is as talented as Hasan Piker when it comes to Live Streams. This has managed to impress Gen X'ers who can't imagine interacting with an active chat for 4 hours, let alone double that. Truth is, that's not all that impressive of a skill set if you have a minimum level of social intractability, and have a dozen points to focus on.
he comes across as smarmy and unlikable.
He's way worse than smarmy. He's rabidly narcissistic. Beyond having a mantra where his watchers pledge to rape and murder for him, and publicly condemning someone on stream and banning them because the customer's shipment had been delayed, I will remind you that his "incredible" response to Tucker involved him claiming himself as the sole avatar of the white working class, and claiming Tucker was faking being working class (despite Tucker having explicitly stated he was effectively born into an American Aristocracy). So there's levels to his self-aggrandizement, and it's backed up with dishonesty and shaming.
Hitler's charisma actually comes mostly for how he structured his speeches. We see him mostly yelling, but that comes after a half hour or more of build up. He was very good at managing tone and pacing. He also used a neat trick that was a feature of the German language. He would construct his sentences in such a way where, IIRC, the object/subject of the sentence was at the end, so that it would be hard to understand him until he finished a sentence. This meant that his points would reliably come across as 'eureka' moments to an audience (since they had to wait through the whole sentence), and he would be talking so quickly that he'd be moving into the next sentence before they had finished processing the last one, causing German listeners to literally be kept in a kind of trance, because they never really had time to think through his statements.
To a large portion of Germans, this was grating and annoying because he wasn't getting to his point in a normal pace; but to others it was captivating because it forced them to listen... but then not have any time to think through what he said. This doesn't translate well into English, and it's why Mien Kampf makes Hitler come off like a completely raving lunatic. It's not an eloquent book by any means, and Hitler's speeches can't keep tone and pacing in the written word, and certainly don't work in non-German. It would be like me writing:
Coming down, I did from the bedroom, with pancakes for breakfast, I ate!
I still don't know what to make of the guy, genuinely may be a fed. But I do think he is a talented orator, I think people are saying it a lot lately because he's been going viral lately. I think he's above average intelligence, especially in verbal intelligence.
But charisma doesn't equal genius in general. I can't stand Obama, but I think he was extremely charismatic. He seems to have lost in his later years, but young Obama was dangerous for a reason.
Edit- Oh and I agree somewhat of your assessment in him, the virgin at 26, with no interest in dating bit for someone who is supposed to be a Catholic is weird to me. His explanation for it on the recent Sam Hyde interview came off weird to me, said casual sex was better than marriage? This is the hardcore right winger? He talked about being able to do more damage single and then not being able to control him, which honestly is true, but I still think it's weird.
The gay stuff idk, when you add it to the no gf thing it looks bad, but at the same time there is no doubt that there's been a heavy campaign to destroy him for years and there's a reason none of the gay stuff has really stuck I'd assume. Afaik none of it was incontrovertible or anything.
But charisma doesn't equal genius in general. I can't stand Obama, but I think he was extremely charismatic. He seems to have lost in his later years, but young Obama was dangerous for a reason.
That's because Obama had a team of speechwriters and a teleprompter.
True, but being president isn't just speeches, you need to have some genuine charisma or you'll get exposed quick. I don't think Obama is some genius, but he was legit charismatic
This always weirds me out, and not just in relation to Nick Fuentes, but it's especially weird seeing it on this issue, because it's either people instinctively mirroring each other, or it's a psyop.
I've never seen Nick Fuentes described as specifically "absurdly talented" until recently, when Tucker praised him while calling him a gay basement dweller.
Honestly, the more people I see call Nick Fuentes "very talented, no matter what you think of him," the more my suspicion grows.
Is he? Maybe, I honestly don't watch him, so I wouldn't know. But what I have seem of him, he comes across as smarmy and unlikable. I could be missing some nuance, but you'd think if he was actually amazingly talented, he wouldn't have the 'gay femboy' reputation. Me? If I was insanely talented, and wanted to push my opinions on others, I'd be a strongman, I'd be a masculine leader, I'd be magnetic. Not a smug and obnoxious dude of indeterminate sexuality. Although, sure, maybe I'm missing something, and he's outplaying me. Honestly, there's a lot of men struggling out there, so maybe his whole "I'm a based chad, but also sort of a virgin loser" vibe plays well. I don't hate Fuentes, and I admit to not understanding him. But, I don't know, this whole "incredibly talented" thing strikes me as artificial.
It's like when I hear people tell me Obama, or Hitler, was charismatic. I don't speak German, so I can't comment on Hitler, but Obama was merely above average. He wasn't a genius. Fuentes also doesn't come across as a genius. Again, could be misreading things, and I'll allow he's above average, and is very competent in selling his brand, but this new thing of praising him for being generationally talented is a bit weird, if you ask me.
Adams has always big on "persuasion," thinks himself an expert, and likes to theory craft about it. So I absolutely believe that he looks at the reach and notoriety of Fuentes and considers that to be a talent. But unfortunately, I think you're also right about there being some hivemind going on.
Obama had the huge benefit of George W. Bush being the most recent comparison point for presidential speeches at the time.
Because he can riff in front of a camera smoothly and coherently. His talent is for rhetoric.
Set a camera on record and try it yourself. Pay me a dollar for every um and uh you make. Stop when you get to $100.
Yeah, Nick does it without a guest or a co-host. Or notes or a teleprompter AFAICT.
I'm actually surprised Nick is as popular as he is with his mostly room temperature IQ audience.
His main monologues can last two hours without interruption and go very deep into glowie & Jewish lore. They also start pretty late on the east coast because Nick is a faggot who can't keep a schedule.
His talks that aren't catty drama or mogging his groyper superchatters can be pretty dry.
The skill is impressive nonetheless but it can come off many times like a school lecture above the retention & comprehension of the average mouthbreather.
I'm not. The ability to put things to words that his audience feels deep down but can't quite articulate is a very powerful thing. It's the very reason that the establishment is always pushing for censorship.
Nick Fuentes is as talented as Hasan Piker when it comes to Live Streams. This has managed to impress Gen X'ers who can't imagine interacting with an active chat for 4 hours, let alone double that. Truth is, that's not all that impressive of a skill set if you have a minimum level of social intractability, and have a dozen points to focus on.
He's way worse than smarmy. He's rabidly narcissistic. Beyond having a mantra where his watchers pledge to rape and murder for him, and publicly condemning someone on stream and banning them because the customer's shipment had been delayed, I will remind you that his "incredible" response to Tucker involved him claiming himself as the sole avatar of the white working class, and claiming Tucker was faking being working class (despite Tucker having explicitly stated he was effectively born into an American Aristocracy). So there's levels to his self-aggrandizement, and it's backed up with dishonesty and shaming.
Hitler's charisma actually comes mostly for how he structured his speeches. We see him mostly yelling, but that comes after a half hour or more of build up. He was very good at managing tone and pacing. He also used a neat trick that was a feature of the German language. He would construct his sentences in such a way where, IIRC, the object/subject of the sentence was at the end, so that it would be hard to understand him until he finished a sentence. This meant that his points would reliably come across as 'eureka' moments to an audience (since they had to wait through the whole sentence), and he would be talking so quickly that he'd be moving into the next sentence before they had finished processing the last one, causing German listeners to literally be kept in a kind of trance, because they never really had time to think through his statements.
To a large portion of Germans, this was grating and annoying because he wasn't getting to his point in a normal pace; but to others it was captivating because it forced them to listen... but then not have any time to think through what he said. This doesn't translate well into English, and it's why Mien Kampf makes Hitler come off like a completely raving lunatic. It's not an eloquent book by any means, and Hitler's speeches can't keep tone and pacing in the written word, and certainly don't work in non-German. It would be like me writing:
Instead of:
Slightly more respectful of his audience tho. (only slightly)
Nick? Absolutely not. He treats his audience like fucking garbage, they're just too stupid to know that the smile on his face is for him and not them.
Hasan hates his audience in secret, but he's not trying to completely fuck them over, or groom them into his personal lemmings.
just like large parts of the internet.
In a literal 1:1 fashion if we are talking about Hitler's translated speeches.
I still don't know what to make of the guy, genuinely may be a fed. But I do think he is a talented orator, I think people are saying it a lot lately because he's been going viral lately. I think he's above average intelligence, especially in verbal intelligence.
But charisma doesn't equal genius in general. I can't stand Obama, but I think he was extremely charismatic. He seems to have lost in his later years, but young Obama was dangerous for a reason.
Edit- Oh and I agree somewhat of your assessment in him, the virgin at 26, with no interest in dating bit for someone who is supposed to be a Catholic is weird to me. His explanation for it on the recent Sam Hyde interview came off weird to me, said casual sex was better than marriage? This is the hardcore right winger? He talked about being able to do more damage single and then not being able to control him, which honestly is true, but I still think it's weird.
The gay stuff idk, when you add it to the no gf thing it looks bad, but at the same time there is no doubt that there's been a heavy campaign to destroy him for years and there's a reason none of the gay stuff has really stuck I'd assume. Afaik none of it was incontrovertible or anything.
That's because Obama had a team of speechwriters and a teleprompter.
True, but being president isn't just speeches, you need to have some genuine charisma or you'll get exposed quick. I don't think Obama is some genius, but he was legit charismatic
Charismatic maybe to 20 something liberal retards, you'd feel different if you go back and watch his speech from nearly 20 years ago
FTFY