Let's all take a moment to remember the horrors that the evil Spanish colonizers inflicted on the noble savages of Mezoamerica, which included the introduction of horses, infrastructure, European medicine, and stopping them from carving out the still-beating hearts of their own children in sacrifice to their gods.
Don’t forget: the wheel, iron, steel, and non hieroglyphic written language. They were in an early Bronze Age for nearly a millennia before the evil hwites showed up.
If you wish to live as the average peasant Aztec did, you're free to go farm in a swampland by hand, without even a horsecart, until your death from some kind of swamp flu.
Bro, if I presented you with a time machine and told you you could go anywhere in the world at any period in history, but you don't get to decide, when you step out of the time machine, whether you're the king in his castle or the serf working the field or the mine: if you had that choice to make, you would be insane to choose anything other than the West in the late 20th century.
As imperfect and miserable as our society is, it's the best humanity has come up with so far.
Bullshit. Utter and complete "muh noble savage" bullshit.
The Spanish had NO INTEREST in conquering the Aztec or any civilization. It was much easier to use them to gain resources through trade. They felt a holy duty to do so when they saw the massive human torture and destruction and sacrifice. The more peaceful and non bloodthirsty tribes were the MASSOVE BULK of the army that conquered the Aztec and Inca empires.
And as for your claims of mathematics and astronomy - wrong. The Aztec never built their temples. They took them over and simply mimicked them. Metallurgy? What metallurgy? Bronze? We were in the fucking steel age by then. "Advanced" my ass. They were naked bloodthirsty savages poorly mimicking the civilizations that had come before them(who gained their knowledge from 'white gods from across the sea' btw).
I have less than zero patience for oppression-complex historical revisionism or Marxist cultural relativism.
90% of the population
Source?
tens of millions dead across the continent
That would be a neat trick, considering there were not that many people in the Americas at the time of Columbus' arrival.
torturing, burning and hanging people by their genitals
Yeah, some of the conquistadors were dicks. That does not in any way make them the moral equivalent of the industrial-scale practice of human sacrifice that the Aztecs were using to keep their own conquered enemies under control.
sacrificed people not out of cruelty but because they believed they had to
Well that makes it okay then.
advanced mathematics, engineering and metallurgy
Then why were they living in mud huts and killing each other with stone axes?
someone born centuries ago would sit there miserable because they didn't own a smartphone
No, but they might be miserable because half or more of their brothers and sisters would have died before reaching adulthood, or because they had a gangrenous infection that was slowly killing them and causing them immense pain as it did so, or because they were enslaved and being worked to death in a field.
Our modern society may not be perfect, but all of the innovations and developments that we have access to are the result of generations of desperate, brilliant men working and experimenting in order find ways to make their children's lives easier and less miserable than theirs had been. That is the fundamental basis of all of human progress.
Try telling any captured Tlaxcaltecan child who was about to have his heart carved out that being raised by nuns in a monastery is no better than what he is about to endure. Try telling anyone dying slowly and painfully of an illness that is today easily treatable that he is luckier than a man who gets to live into his 70s and watch his grandchildren grow up. Try telling any mother who lost half her children to easily preventable diseases that her emotional devastation makes her no less fortunate than the mother who has to manage her healthy child's smartphone addiction.
The Spanish were morally superior to the Aztecs because, despite all their own persistent flaws, their ancestors had already lived through the epoch of human sacrifice and solving problems of food scarcity with mass killings, and they had learned their lessons from it. The notion that they should simply sit by and allow the industrialized human sacrifice and abject poverty to continue unabated because "iss dey culcha" is no different from saying we should allow crazy woke bitches to mutilate their own children in the service of trans ideology because they believe they have to.
the Spaniards brought diseases that wiped out 90% of the population, tens of millions dead across the continent.
Oh, this bullshit again? Like the Spanish understood germs and diseases centuries before everyone else?
Like there were "tens of millions" living in The Americas back then? No 90% did not die off all at once from disease. Over the centuries they did yes, but north of the Rio Grand there were maybe 2-3 million people total. The city of Tokyo (GMA) had 8+ million.
They weren't cruel? Slavery was normal, as was torture & rape. While Natives had various levels of knowledge & technology? Most were barely past the Stone Age. The rich & powerful lived pretty well, but the other 98% did not.
Constant warfare, dropping dead from an infection or tooth issue, starvation, constant fear: that was reality.
9 to 5 is bad? Try 6 to 9 x 7 days a week. That's 6 am to 9 pm of backbreaking tedious labour.
You think Aztecs didn't also have heart disease? They didn't live in fear of the Warrior class or Priests? They didn't have diabetes because they were half-starved.
Disney's 'Pocahontas' was a fantasy, not a documentary: pre-Columbian North America was not very nice for 99% of the people. Occasional exceptions could be found, like the Mandan in what is now the Dakotas.
Let's all take a moment to remember the horrors that the evil Spanish colonizers inflicted on the noble savages of Mezoamerica, which included the introduction of horses, infrastructure, European medicine, and stopping them from carving out the still-beating hearts of their own children in sacrifice to their gods.
Don’t forget: the wheel, iron, steel, and non hieroglyphic written language. They were in an early Bronze Age for nearly a millennia before the evil hwites showed up.
Yeah but apart from those what have the Spaniards ever done for us
They fucked the natives and created Mexicans, so.... thanks? i guess
Yeah but them Mayans was THICC BOIIIII
It's that last one that really pisses off the left.
Child sacrifice has always been a favorite thing for leftists. Lately they added child genital mutilation too.
The Empire That Never Ended loves child sacrifice.
If you wish to live as the average peasant Aztec did, you're free to go farm in a swampland by hand, without even a horsecart, until your death from some kind of swamp flu.
Guess you're not reading your own stuff.
If by "initial comment" you meant your histrionic, whiny rant, then yes. I swear, it's always the mgtow guys who whine like women the most.
Bro, if I presented you with a time machine and told you you could go anywhere in the world at any period in history, but you don't get to decide, when you step out of the time machine, whether you're the king in his castle or the serf working the field or the mine: if you had that choice to make, you would be insane to choose anything other than the West in the late 20th century.
As imperfect and miserable as our society is, it's the best humanity has come up with so far.
Bullshit. Utter and complete "muh noble savage" bullshit.
The Spanish had NO INTEREST in conquering the Aztec or any civilization. It was much easier to use them to gain resources through trade. They felt a holy duty to do so when they saw the massive human torture and destruction and sacrifice. The more peaceful and non bloodthirsty tribes were the MASSOVE BULK of the army that conquered the Aztec and Inca empires.
And as for your claims of mathematics and astronomy - wrong. The Aztec never built their temples. They took them over and simply mimicked them. Metallurgy? What metallurgy? Bronze? We were in the fucking steel age by then. "Advanced" my ass. They were naked bloodthirsty savages poorly mimicking the civilizations that had come before them(who gained their knowledge from 'white gods from across the sea' btw).
Your cope is pathetic.
I have less than zero patience for oppression-complex historical revisionism or Marxist cultural relativism.
Source?
That would be a neat trick, considering there were not that many people in the Americas at the time of Columbus' arrival.
Yeah, some of the conquistadors were dicks. That does not in any way make them the moral equivalent of the industrial-scale practice of human sacrifice that the Aztecs were using to keep their own conquered enemies under control.
Well that makes it okay then.
Then why were they living in mud huts and killing each other with stone axes?
No, but they might be miserable because half or more of their brothers and sisters would have died before reaching adulthood, or because they had a gangrenous infection that was slowly killing them and causing them immense pain as it did so, or because they were enslaved and being worked to death in a field.
Our modern society may not be perfect, but all of the innovations and developments that we have access to are the result of generations of desperate, brilliant men working and experimenting in order find ways to make their children's lives easier and less miserable than theirs had been. That is the fundamental basis of all of human progress.
Try telling any captured Tlaxcaltecan child who was about to have his heart carved out that being raised by nuns in a monastery is no better than what he is about to endure. Try telling anyone dying slowly and painfully of an illness that is today easily treatable that he is luckier than a man who gets to live into his 70s and watch his grandchildren grow up. Try telling any mother who lost half her children to easily preventable diseases that her emotional devastation makes her no less fortunate than the mother who has to manage her healthy child's smartphone addiction.
The Spanish were morally superior to the Aztecs because, despite all their own persistent flaws, their ancestors had already lived through the epoch of human sacrifice and solving problems of food scarcity with mass killings, and they had learned their lessons from it. The notion that they should simply sit by and allow the industrialized human sacrifice and abject poverty to continue unabated because "iss dey culcha" is no different from saying we should allow crazy woke bitches to mutilate their own children in the service of trans ideology because they believe they have to.
Oh, this bullshit again? Like the Spanish understood germs and diseases centuries before everyone else?
Like there were "tens of millions" living in The Americas back then? No 90% did not die off all at once from disease. Over the centuries they did yes, but north of the Rio Grand there were maybe 2-3 million people total. The city of Tokyo (GMA) had 8+ million.
They weren't cruel? Slavery was normal, as was torture & rape. While Natives had various levels of knowledge & technology? Most were barely past the Stone Age. The rich & powerful lived pretty well, but the other 98% did not.
Constant warfare, dropping dead from an infection or tooth issue, starvation, constant fear: that was reality.
9 to 5 is bad? Try 6 to 9 x 7 days a week. That's 6 am to 9 pm of backbreaking tedious labour.
You think Aztecs didn't also have heart disease? They didn't live in fear of the Warrior class or Priests? They didn't have diabetes because they were half-starved.
Disney's 'Pocahontas' was a fantasy, not a documentary: pre-Columbian North America was not very nice for 99% of the people. Occasional exceptions could be found, like the Mandan in what is now the Dakotas.