Bro, if I presented you with a time machine and told you you could go anywhere in the world at any period in history, but you don't get to decide, when you step out of the time machine, whether you're the king in his castle or the serf working the field or the mine: if you had that choice to make, you would be insane to choose anything other than the West in the late 20th century.
As imperfect and miserable as our society is, it's the best humanity has come up with so far.
Bullshit. Utter and complete "muh noble savage" bullshit.
The Spanish had NO INTEREST in conquering the Aztec or any civilization. It was much easier to use them to gain resources through trade. They felt a holy duty to do so when they saw the massive human torture and destruction and sacrifice. The more peaceful and non bloodthirsty tribes were the MASSOVE BULK of the army that conquered the Aztec and Inca empires.
And as for your claims of mathematics and astronomy - wrong. The Aztec never built their temples. They took them over and simply mimicked them. Metallurgy? What metallurgy? Bronze? We were in the fucking steel age by then. "Advanced" my ass. They were naked bloodthirsty savages poorly mimicking the civilizations that had come before them(who gained their knowledge from 'white gods from across the sea' btw).
The mayans were a completely different people. We like to think of the central American cultures as linear and progressing from one into the other like Europe did but its just untrue. The mayans were as far away in time from the Aztec as the Roman Empire was to the Mongolian invasion of Europe. The mayans were a Yucatan people. The Aztec were Mexicano who migrated from northern Mexico into Mexico Valley, found teotihuaca and said "sweet pyramids. Yeah we built these. Sure."
I have less than zero patience for oppression-complex historical revisionism or Marxist cultural relativism.
90% of the population
Source?
tens of millions dead across the continent
That would be a neat trick, considering there were not that many people in the Americas at the time of Columbus' arrival.
torturing, burning and hanging people by their genitals
Yeah, some of the conquistadors were dicks. That does not in any way make them the moral equivalent of the industrial-scale practice of human sacrifice that the Aztecs were using to keep their own conquered enemies under control.
sacrificed people not out of cruelty but because they believed they had to
Well that makes it okay then.
advanced mathematics, engineering and metallurgy
Then why were they living in mud huts and killing each other with stone axes?
someone born centuries ago would sit there miserable because they didn't own a smartphone
No, but they might be miserable because half or more of their brothers and sisters would have died before reaching adulthood, or because they had a gangrenous infection that was slowly killing them and causing them immense pain as it did so, or because they were enslaved and being worked to death in a field.
Our modern society may not be perfect, but all of the innovations and developments that we have access to are the result of generations of desperate, brilliant men working and experimenting in order find ways to make their children's lives easier and less miserable than theirs had been. That is the fundamental basis of all of human progress.
Try telling any captured Tlaxcaltecan child who was about to have his heart carved out that being raised by nuns in a monastery is no better than what he is about to endure. Try telling anyone dying slowly and painfully of an illness that is today easily treatable that he is luckier than a man who gets to live into his 70s and watch his grandchildren grow up. Try telling any mother who lost half her children to easily preventable diseases that her emotional devastation makes her no less fortunate than the mother who has to manage her healthy child's smartphone addiction.
The Spanish were morally superior to the Aztecs because, despite all their own persistent flaws, their ancestors had already lived through the epoch of human sacrifice and solving problems of food scarcity with mass killings, and they had learned their lessons from it. The notion that they should simply sit by and allow the industrialized human sacrifice and abject poverty to continue unabated because "iss dey culcha" is no different from saying we should allow crazy woke bitches to mutilate their own children in the service of trans ideology because they believe they have to.
the Spaniards brought diseases that wiped out 90% of the population, tens of millions dead across the continent.
Oh, this bullshit again? Like the Spanish understood germs and diseases centuries before everyone else?
Like there were "tens of millions" living in The Americas back then? No 90% did not die off all at once from disease. Over the centuries they did yes, but north of the Rio Grand there were maybe 2-3 million people total. The city of Tokyo (GMA) had 8+ million.
They weren't cruel? Slavery was normal, as was torture & rape. While Natives had various levels of knowledge & technology? Most were barely past the Stone Age. The rich & powerful lived pretty well, but the other 98% did not.
Constant warfare, dropping dead from an infection or tooth issue, starvation, constant fear: that was reality.
1 everyone knows just how yucky modern life can be. What we collectively forget is how high the bar for "being poor" is today. Modern poor people have things like:
hot and cold running water
roof overhead, dry bed to sleep in
3 meals a day, usually
freedom of movement & association
shoes, clothing, hygiene, medicine
free education
luxury items unheard of just 100 years ago.
2 Yes. The choice between allowing the Aztecs to continue & exterminating them is a no-brainer. To consider the opposite? If the Aztecs came over the ocean and wiped out the Spanish? How would that go? They were more savage, bloodthirsty and barbaric than even the Muslims of that era. They made Mongols look like choir boys! (Mongols were actually pretty cool, unless you made them mad ofc)
It is sad that the Jesuits were so thorough in destroying every aspect of Aztec culture and heritage. However? What "good things" could have come from such a savage "civilization"? A story on the level of Beowulf? Doubtful. Scientific knowledge of... how to torture people?
The Jesuits also did a number on the Hopi, who were very peaceful. Luckily they managed to keep most of their culture and history.
Bro, if I presented you with a time machine and told you you could go anywhere in the world at any period in history, but you don't get to decide, when you step out of the time machine, whether you're the king in his castle or the serf working the field or the mine: if you had that choice to make, you would be insane to choose anything other than the West in the late 20th century.
As imperfect and miserable as our society is, it's the best humanity has come up with so far.
Bullshit. Utter and complete "muh noble savage" bullshit.
The Spanish had NO INTEREST in conquering the Aztec or any civilization. It was much easier to use them to gain resources through trade. They felt a holy duty to do so when they saw the massive human torture and destruction and sacrifice. The more peaceful and non bloodthirsty tribes were the MASSOVE BULK of the army that conquered the Aztec and Inca empires.
And as for your claims of mathematics and astronomy - wrong. The Aztec never built their temples. They took them over and simply mimicked them. Metallurgy? What metallurgy? Bronze? We were in the fucking steel age by then. "Advanced" my ass. They were naked bloodthirsty savages poorly mimicking the civilizations that had come before them(who gained their knowledge from 'white gods from across the sea' btw).
Your cope is pathetic.
The Mayans weren't as bad right?
The mayans were a completely different people. We like to think of the central American cultures as linear and progressing from one into the other like Europe did but its just untrue. The mayans were as far away in time from the Aztec as the Roman Empire was to the Mongolian invasion of Europe. The mayans were a Yucatan people. The Aztec were Mexicano who migrated from northern Mexico into Mexico Valley, found teotihuaca and said "sweet pyramids. Yeah we built these. Sure."
They were a thousand years old by that time.
Please show your work. What did I say that was wrong go ahead and enlighten us.
I can. Even by normie asshole standards like yours.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teotihuacan
I have less than zero patience for oppression-complex historical revisionism or Marxist cultural relativism.
Source?
That would be a neat trick, considering there were not that many people in the Americas at the time of Columbus' arrival.
Yeah, some of the conquistadors were dicks. That does not in any way make them the moral equivalent of the industrial-scale practice of human sacrifice that the Aztecs were using to keep their own conquered enemies under control.
Well that makes it okay then.
Then why were they living in mud huts and killing each other with stone axes?
No, but they might be miserable because half or more of their brothers and sisters would have died before reaching adulthood, or because they had a gangrenous infection that was slowly killing them and causing them immense pain as it did so, or because they were enslaved and being worked to death in a field.
Our modern society may not be perfect, but all of the innovations and developments that we have access to are the result of generations of desperate, brilliant men working and experimenting in order find ways to make their children's lives easier and less miserable than theirs had been. That is the fundamental basis of all of human progress.
Try telling any captured Tlaxcaltecan child who was about to have his heart carved out that being raised by nuns in a monastery is no better than what he is about to endure. Try telling anyone dying slowly and painfully of an illness that is today easily treatable that he is luckier than a man who gets to live into his 70s and watch his grandchildren grow up. Try telling any mother who lost half her children to easily preventable diseases that her emotional devastation makes her no less fortunate than the mother who has to manage her healthy child's smartphone addiction.
The Spanish were morally superior to the Aztecs because, despite all their own persistent flaws, their ancestors had already lived through the epoch of human sacrifice and solving problems of food scarcity with mass killings, and they had learned their lessons from it. The notion that they should simply sit by and allow the industrialized human sacrifice and abject poverty to continue unabated because "iss dey culcha" is no different from saying we should allow crazy woke bitches to mutilate their own children in the service of trans ideology because they believe they have to.
You keep trying to make up for your lack of intelligence with condescension but it isn't working.
Oh, this bullshit again? Like the Spanish understood germs and diseases centuries before everyone else?
Like there were "tens of millions" living in The Americas back then? No 90% did not die off all at once from disease. Over the centuries they did yes, but north of the Rio Grand there were maybe 2-3 million people total. The city of Tokyo (GMA) had 8+ million.
They weren't cruel? Slavery was normal, as was torture & rape. While Natives had various levels of knowledge & technology? Most were barely past the Stone Age. The rich & powerful lived pretty well, but the other 98% did not.
Constant warfare, dropping dead from an infection or tooth issue, starvation, constant fear: that was reality.
1 everyone knows just how yucky modern life can be. What we collectively forget is how high the bar for "being poor" is today. Modern poor people have things like:
2 Yes. The choice between allowing the Aztecs to continue & exterminating them is a no-brainer. To consider the opposite? If the Aztecs came over the ocean and wiped out the Spanish? How would that go? They were more savage, bloodthirsty and barbaric than even the Muslims of that era. They made Mongols look like choir boys! (Mongols were actually pretty cool, unless you made them mad ofc)
It is sad that the Jesuits were so thorough in destroying every aspect of Aztec culture and heritage. However? What "good things" could have come from such a savage "civilization"? A story on the level of Beowulf? Doubtful. Scientific knowledge of... how to torture people?
The Jesuits also did a number on the Hopi, who were very peaceful. Luckily they managed to keep most of their culture and history.