American English, like the rest of our standards, is one of the best languages. People consider it hard to learn because it's so flexible but it's also more normalized and plain than any other language. Counting to 100 in any European garbage language shows how fucked their systems are. The French, especially, have cultural language police that REFUSE to let the language evolve to better interface with modern life.
Same with Imperial. It's just a better system. It's why they hate it so much. They gave a bunch of nerds high positions in society and a lot of money over centuries and they all produced a bunch of fashionable uninformed non-working bullshit. Meanwhile the busy working people put together a system that gets work done and is no more complex than their system.
They've just never been able to admit this or get over it.
Fuckin' eurotrash. They all already know English. They just refuse to use it. Zero service in those people. Never go there never spend your money there.
Imperial and Metric both have their value. Metric is good for very large or small numbers, so mostly math and academic. Imperial is useful for everyday scenarios and trade work, because its always focused around useful default sizes and being divisible by 2/3/4s.
The fact that they act like Imperial has no use or is inferior shows just how little actual work most of them do, or how much they pride themselves on using a tool system designed for micro and macro science for their simple baking.
Its the same with American English. Its hugely flexible to be used by a common man or idiot to accomplish so many tasks. You can bend words to mean all sorts of things, break its rules, and generally just make shit up and it'll still work quite naturally. You can learn to speak it with zero time spent studying, just embroiling into slang.
Whereas many European languages are riddled with rules and genders that you need to memorize by the thousands, and they will scoff at you if you didn't know this word you never heard before was feminine and not masculine (its an inanimate object). Sure Germans have a word for everything, by just jamming dozens of other words into something incomprehensible to say outloud.
That's the other thing. They never utilize half their own units like decimeters or mega meters.
Or how many of them actually know that 1 cc is also 1 ml?
I've found plenty of imperial fans that will say metric is useful under certain circumstances. I've never seen the reverse. And it's not because metric is perfect. It's because they are so snobby they can't stand the idea that "the American" system has any merit.
And the proof that both systems have merit is that two big nations use both: Canada and Mexico. Maybe not officially but every tradesman in those those countries uses imperial. Fact. And I'm sure chemists in Mexico use metric. A measuring system is a tool just as much as a hammer or a microscope. And just like different tools are for different jobs, so can different measuring systems.
But Europeans are so far up their own ass they can't admit this.
The irony being that it came from Europe, and then Europe switched. Just like the word "soccer".
I'd bet most "Metric users" don't even know Deci/Deka exist.
In my country, for some reason, people use deka when buying sliced meat at a supermarket deli counter or at the butcher. "I'll have 20 deka of that smoked ham over there please". Noone uses it in pretty much any other scenario, just this. I never understood why that is and I don't even know if any other nations do that.
Also shots (as in, alcohol) are often listed in centiliters on drinks menus, and again this is the only time anyone uses that unit.
Deka is still used in weight measurements. Usually for cooking and baking. It is old fashioned and less common than it used to be, but you still see it.
Yeah, people are 154cm because writing "15dm and 4cm" is gay and retarded. And 1m 5dm and 4cm even more so.
Also I don't really see how "this system of measurement has so many subsections, it can afford to loose 90% of them for everyday life and no one will suffer any form of detriment from it and even then it's still relatively easy to remember because the conversion number is always a factor of 10" is inferior to "our units of measurement have like 5 subsections that are all wildly different numbers and our smallest unit is still so big that we need to start writing it out in fractions, because inventing a smaller subsection means the Eurofags win".
What? Engineering notation is the preferred notation even for metric. It's suited to numbers in general. You can (and should) even use it without units. There's literally nothing complicated about it. If you can do decimal you can do engineering notation.
Understanding the reasons to use one over the other is the point. And there is no logical reason to ever use metric. It's entire invention is a sham and it's promoted by people who are too dim to understand the underlying problem. Which is why it solves nothing other than to add another layer of bullshit to existing metrology.
Which is bad enough, but to believe and then say out loud that metric is good for "big numbers," demonstrates that you are firmly within this category of people.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie. Be honest, the US only uses that medieval system because it has to be different from Europe and the rest of the world in every way it possibly can. Same for Fahrenheit, AC voltage and frequency, AKI fuel octane number, UL standards, etc.
We get it, you're not Europe anymore but you can relax and stop torturing yourselves now because it's been 500 years. People have died because you can't properly convert the units the rest of the world uses into whatever convoluted mess you came up with.
Imperial is better for real world applications because it's easier to estimate, metric is better for more precise measurements because it is easier to make smaller.
Take temperature, Fahrenheit is better for real life because you don't have to go into decimals to describe the weather outside while Celsius is better for lab work because it's easier to increase or decrease by a small amount.
Celsius is better for lab work because it's easier to increase or decrease by a small amount.
...Fahrenheit is smaller than celcius.
It's just zeroed on super-saturated saltwater freezing and hundreded on the original thinker's temperature when he was outside a bit too long, instead of freshwater freezing and freshwater boiling.
But one degree F is almost exactly 5/9ths of one degree C. About half as much. So if you hate deci-mals for some traumatic backstory reason, you'd want to use F for your fine-tuning adjustments... And C for the outdoors, which doesn't usually require as much precision. The only issue with that idea is F is scaled on two very different things, which makes some calculations a chore since a surprising amount of our science is based off of water freezing and boiling.
The IDEAL temperature system in this hypothetical decimal-hater-but-science-lover's case would be Rankine, which is like Kelvin (absolute zero is a baseline), but in Fahrenheit units instead of celcius units in the steps.
That's not what I meant, but go off. Celsius is easier to use for lab work because all of the useful temperatures are multiples of 10, decimals are easy to do math with, and simpler to record. Having the baselines between freezing water and boiling water be 0 and 100 meant it was easier to do stepwise incremental heating back when you had to calibrate analog equipment in the days we were determining relative humidity by spinning these bad boys over our heads.
Metric is also better for lab work because it's easier to put onto the microscopic scale, all you have to do is keep dividing by multiples of 10 to millimeters, micrometer, nanometer, etc.
Kelvin and Rankine are only useful when doing theoretical science and some thermodynamic and quantum mechanic calculations. Also when you're doing quantum computing and attempting to approach absolute zero. Otherwise normal temperature values are too high to be useful.
Experience. Metric is garbage. Divisibility by 10 or SI prefixes are not used by most people. It pretends this is some superior benefit when it is not. It ignores completely how the majority of people use units.
People in Europe use km to describe big distances, m to describe medium ones, and mm to describe small ones. They don't know or care what a Gm is or why a um might be a better choice of unit for the scale of work being described. They don't really relate the two units together on any level either. "How many human bodies would you have to lay end to end to get from Edinburgh to Glasgow?" Who cares? So, fundamentally it's never actually used the way it was intended.
Outside of those contexts knowing how many feet are in a mile will occasionally be useful but never on an immediate basis. You're never going to need to stand in a field with nothing and work it all out in your head. So those complaints that there are 5280 ft (1760 yards really) in a mile are hard to remember are completely misplaced and never present themselves in actual work.
The fact that the imperial relation between feet and inches mean there's a factor of 3 between them. Dividing by 3 in metric is annoying as all fuck. And shows precisely why there's no metric time and we still use a base 60 system for time keeping... making every time related calculation in metric fucking retarded due to the lack of common factors.
All of this equally applies to the mass scale. I could go on but my dinner is here. You get the point I hope.
Metric is better for tool measurements. Hands down.
If the metric "9" socket is too big, what size do you grab next?
If the imperial "1/2" socket is too big, what size do you grab next? A 7/16? A 15/32? A 31/64? Who fucking knows, typically the answer is 'whatever is next to the open hole in my toolbox cutouts, assuming I have them'.
One is much easier to answer than the other, which requires nothing more than rote memorization of 'standard' fractional notation and mental division.
Metric becoming standard on vehicles came with an additional advantage, they basically decided to make the 10mm the socket that will work on 95% of the bolts in the entire car. Nice round number.
If the metric "9" socket is too big, what size do you grab next?
If the imperial "1/2" socket is too big, what size do you grab next? A 7/16? A 15/32? A 31/64?
1/32 is more precise than 1mm. The fact that you even have 1/64ths. To do that in metric you'd have to have a "9.5mm". Oh fuck, looks like you already do, because of course you need that. We didn't start using 1/32" just to fuck with you. We needed the additional precision.
Metric becoming standard on vehicles
That's so low rent fuckwits in foreign factors can assemble them.
they basically decided to make the 10mm the socket that will work on 95% of the bolts in the entire car.
They could have all decided to use 3/8" heads and kept it imperial.
I explain to friends like metric might be easier for things like chemistry where you're dealing with incredibly small numbers or on large scales like space travel.
But for the layman, imperial is easier. The units are more relatable. An inch is more useful than a centimeter. A foot is more useful than a meter. And if we need a meter we have yards.
Imperial is better for fractions. It's easily divisible by 12, 6, 4, 3, and 2. And 9 is also easy.
Metric is interesting in that it was built upon scientific relationships but those relationships are meaningless for 99% of people and are, in and of themselves, arbitrary. If we ever came across aliens their measurements would be completely different because metric is ultimately based off of the circumference of the Earth (that's the basis of the meter).
Of course those snobs have tried to "standardize" it in idiotic ways, like defining the meter as "one three hundred millionth something of the time it takes light to travel one second" but that's retarded. They had to do it because the meter has always been a fucked-up measurement.
American English, like the rest of our standards, is one of the best languages. People consider it hard to learn because it's so flexible but it's also more normalized and plain than any other language. Counting to 100 in any European garbage language shows how fucked their systems are. The French, especially, have cultural language police that REFUSE to let the language evolve to better interface with modern life.
Same with Imperial. It's just a better system. It's why they hate it so much. They gave a bunch of nerds high positions in society and a lot of money over centuries and they all produced a bunch of fashionable uninformed non-working bullshit. Meanwhile the busy working people put together a system that gets work done and is no more complex than their system. They've just never been able to admit this or get over it.
Fuckin' eurotrash. They all already know English. They just refuse to use it. Zero service in those people. Never go there never spend your money there.
Imperial and Metric both have their value. Metric is good for very large or small numbers, so mostly math and academic. Imperial is useful for everyday scenarios and trade work, because its always focused around useful default sizes and being divisible by 2/3/4s.
The fact that they act like Imperial has no use or is inferior shows just how little actual work most of them do, or how much they pride themselves on using a tool system designed for micro and macro science for their simple baking.
Its the same with American English. Its hugely flexible to be used by a common man or idiot to accomplish so many tasks. You can bend words to mean all sorts of things, break its rules, and generally just make shit up and it'll still work quite naturally. You can learn to speak it with zero time spent studying, just embroiling into slang.
Whereas many European languages are riddled with rules and genders that you need to memorize by the thousands, and they will scoff at you if you didn't know this word you never heard before was feminine and not masculine (its an inanimate object). Sure Germans have a word for everything, by just jamming dozens of other words into something incomprehensible to say outloud.
I'll take metric for 'everyday' use seriously when they start calling 2,000 kilometers "2 megameters".
Until then they're just poseurs.
I'd bet most "Metric users" don't even know Deci/Deka exist. And those would be the most useful of their prefixes for normal use possible.
Instead they are 154cm tall, because big number make their pp feel big I guess.
That's the other thing. They never utilize half their own units like decimeters or mega meters.
Or how many of them actually know that 1 cc is also 1 ml?
I've found plenty of imperial fans that will say metric is useful under certain circumstances. I've never seen the reverse. And it's not because metric is perfect. It's because they are so snobby they can't stand the idea that "the American" system has any merit.
And the proof that both systems have merit is that two big nations use both: Canada and Mexico. Maybe not officially but every tradesman in those those countries uses imperial. Fact. And I'm sure chemists in Mexico use metric. A measuring system is a tool just as much as a hammer or a microscope. And just like different tools are for different jobs, so can different measuring systems.
But Europeans are so far up their own ass they can't admit this.
The irony being that it came from Europe, and then Europe switched. Just like the word "soccer".
I seriously doubt that simply because of the words "decimal", "decibel", and "decimate".
In my country, for some reason, people use deka when buying sliced meat at a supermarket deli counter or at the butcher. "I'll have 20 deka of that smoked ham over there please". Noone uses it in pretty much any other scenario, just this. I never understood why that is and I don't even know if any other nations do that.
Also shots (as in, alcohol) are often listed in centiliters on drinks menus, and again this is the only time anyone uses that unit.
Deka is still used in weight measurements. Usually for cooking and baking. It is old fashioned and less common than it used to be, but you still see it.
Yeah, people are 154cm because writing "15dm and 4cm" is gay and retarded. And 1m 5dm and 4cm even more so.
Also I don't really see how "this system of measurement has so many subsections, it can afford to loose 90% of them for everyday life and no one will suffer any form of detriment from it and even then it's still relatively easy to remember because the conversion number is always a factor of 10" is inferior to "our units of measurement have like 5 subsections that are all wildly different numbers and our smallest unit is still so big that we need to start writing it out in fractions, because inventing a smaller subsection means the Eurofags win".
Especially since with metrics, you can state that your penis is 140 mm long!
Engineering notation works fine with either. Want metric decades with imperial units?
2.7e-10 feet.
Not a problem.
And now you are complicating a simple system to force it to work in something its not suited for.
Which is exactly what the Europeans do, to suite their own unnecessary pride and ego, when using Metric for everything just to avoid the Imperial.
What? Engineering notation is the preferred notation even for metric. It's suited to numbers in general. You can (and should) even use it without units. There's literally nothing complicated about it. If you can do decimal you can do engineering notation.
Understanding the reasons to use one over the other is the point. And there is no logical reason to ever use metric. It's entire invention is a sham and it's promoted by people who are too dim to understand the underlying problem. Which is why it solves nothing other than to add another layer of bullshit to existing metrology.
Which is bad enough, but to believe and then say out loud that metric is good for "big numbers," demonstrates that you are firmly within this category of people.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie. Be honest, the US only uses that medieval system because it has to be different from Europe and the rest of the world in every way it possibly can. Same for Fahrenheit, AC voltage and frequency, AKI fuel octane number, UL standards, etc.
We get it, you're not Europe anymore but you can relax and stop torturing yourselves now because it's been 500 years. People have died because you can't properly convert the units the rest of the world uses into whatever convoluted mess you came up with.
I was with you until you said imperial is better than metric system. Why is that or what are you basing that on?
Imperial is better for real world applications because it's easier to estimate, metric is better for more precise measurements because it is easier to make smaller.
Take temperature, Fahrenheit is better for real life because you don't have to go into decimals to describe the weather outside while Celsius is better for lab work because it's easier to increase or decrease by a small amount.
...Fahrenheit is smaller than celcius.
It's just zeroed on super-saturated saltwater freezing and hundreded on the original thinker's temperature when he was outside a bit too long, instead of freshwater freezing and freshwater boiling.
But one degree F is almost exactly 5/9ths of one degree C. About half as much. So if you hate deci-mals for some traumatic backstory reason, you'd want to use F for your fine-tuning adjustments... And C for the outdoors, which doesn't usually require as much precision. The only issue with that idea is F is scaled on two very different things, which makes some calculations a chore since a surprising amount of our science is based off of water freezing and boiling.
The IDEAL temperature system in this hypothetical decimal-hater-but-science-lover's case would be Rankine, which is like Kelvin (absolute zero is a baseline), but in Fahrenheit units instead of celcius units in the steps.
That's not what I meant, but go off. Celsius is easier to use for lab work because all of the useful temperatures are multiples of 10, decimals are easy to do math with, and simpler to record. Having the baselines between freezing water and boiling water be 0 and 100 meant it was easier to do stepwise incremental heating back when you had to calibrate analog equipment in the days we were determining relative humidity by spinning these bad boys over our heads.
Metric is also better for lab work because it's easier to put onto the microscopic scale, all you have to do is keep dividing by multiples of 10 to millimeters, micrometer, nanometer, etc.
Kelvin and Rankine are only useful when doing theoretical science and some thermodynamic and quantum mechanic calculations. Also when you're doing quantum computing and attempting to approach absolute zero. Otherwise normal temperature values are too high to be useful.
Experience. Metric is garbage. Divisibility by 10 or SI prefixes are not used by most people. It pretends this is some superior benefit when it is not. It ignores completely how the majority of people use units.
People in Europe use km to describe big distances, m to describe medium ones, and mm to describe small ones. They don't know or care what a Gm is or why a um might be a better choice of unit for the scale of work being described. They don't really relate the two units together on any level either. "How many human bodies would you have to lay end to end to get from Edinburgh to Glasgow?" Who cares? So, fundamentally it's never actually used the way it was intended.
Outside of those contexts knowing how many feet are in a mile will occasionally be useful but never on an immediate basis. You're never going to need to stand in a field with nothing and work it all out in your head. So those complaints that there are 5280 ft (1760 yards really) in a mile are hard to remember are completely misplaced and never present themselves in actual work.
The fact that the imperial relation between feet and inches mean there's a factor of 3 between them. Dividing by 3 in metric is annoying as all fuck. And shows precisely why there's no metric time and we still use a base 60 system for time keeping... making every time related calculation in metric fucking retarded due to the lack of common factors.
All of this equally applies to the mass scale. I could go on but my dinner is here. You get the point I hope.
Metric is better for tool measurements. Hands down.
If the metric "9" socket is too big, what size do you grab next?
If the imperial "1/2" socket is too big, what size do you grab next? A 7/16? A 15/32? A 31/64? Who fucking knows, typically the answer is 'whatever is next to the open hole in my toolbox cutouts, assuming I have them'.
One is much easier to answer than the other, which requires nothing more than rote memorization of 'standard' fractional notation and mental division.
Metric becoming standard on vehicles came with an additional advantage, they basically decided to make the 10mm the socket that will work on 95% of the bolts in the entire car. Nice round number.
1/32 is more precise than 1mm. The fact that you even have 1/64ths. To do that in metric you'd have to have a "9.5mm". Oh fuck, looks like you already do, because of course you need that. We didn't start using 1/32" just to fuck with you. We needed the additional precision.
That's so low rent fuckwits in foreign factors can assemble them.
They could have all decided to use 3/8" heads and kept it imperial.
I assume you have a nice round head.
Agreed.
I explain to friends like metric might be easier for things like chemistry where you're dealing with incredibly small numbers or on large scales like space travel.
But for the layman, imperial is easier. The units are more relatable. An inch is more useful than a centimeter. A foot is more useful than a meter. And if we need a meter we have yards.
Imperial is better for fractions. It's easily divisible by 12, 6, 4, 3, and 2. And 9 is also easy.
Metric is interesting in that it was built upon scientific relationships but those relationships are meaningless for 99% of people and are, in and of themselves, arbitrary. If we ever came across aliens their measurements would be completely different because metric is ultimately based off of the circumference of the Earth (that's the basis of the meter).
Of course those snobs have tried to "standardize" it in idiotic ways, like defining the meter as "one three hundred millionth something of the time it takes light to travel one second" but that's retarded. They had to do it because the meter has always been a fucked-up measurement.
It's a big fat "who cares".
Because who gives a shit.