It almost seems like the spa isn't woke but is trying to survive in a woke environment. A truly woke would not create a 'phallus-free' environment. Also, I hope they put up a Greek statue there.
The only legitimate way to make that claim is if you just didn't read the first three paragraphs. They're stumbling over themselves to avoid invalidating the troons despite the desperate need to address their actual customers.
Change a few words and this is right out of the dark days of the USSR. This is as woke as it gets without holding a mobile abortion wagon outside the building.
I don’t know. I bet I could I could write announcements like that. It’s a matter of understanding the (retarded) woke worldview, and just writing within that. It’s no harder than authoring a meme
Would you publish it as an official statement under your own name? Would you take ownership of what it actually says? I sure as hell would not. You'd have to kill me before I prostrated myself to a troon.
Well, you made an analogy to the Soviet Union. If you lived there, you’d have to spew the party talking points publicly.
It is maybe possible that some business still survives in San Francisco without having ever actually bought into the insanity (or alternately they’re a different kind of insane like maybe hardcore feminists who lean toward TERF). Such a business who have to speak the language of woke and do it publicly.
The only legitimate way to make that claim is if you just didn't read the first three paragraphs. They're stumbling over themselves to avoid invalidating the troons despite the desperate need to address their actual customers.
It's San Francisco. There's going to be a lot of nutjobs. If they were as woke as you think, they wouldn't have organized this.
I'm not saying they're good guys. They're bending over to the woke, but rest assured that the troons aren't going to be happy with the "phallus-free" night, as it does not validate their delusions.
Change a few words and this is right out of the dark days of the USSR
The USSR criminalized homosexuality and certainly didn't allow this sort of madness. Not even Ingsoc proclaimed anything as crazy as "men are women".
So what if it's Frisco? Show me what a man says and I'll show you who he is. There is no meaningful difference between someone spouting the orthodoxy of troonism and believing it, and someone giving it lip service. Unless you've become a telepath since last I checked.
The USSR
You missed the point by a mile. The particulars of the ever shifting hydra of the left are irrelevant. The climate of fear and the unceasing demand for political correctness is however highly relevant.
There is no meaningful difference between someone spouting the orthodoxy of troonism and believing it, and someone giving it lip service.
A lot of people do, depending on the circumstances. Most of the opposition to troonery came from people pushing back on very specific aspects, like women in sports. They'd say things like: "I love and support trans people, but women's rights should be protected". Many of these have since moved towards repudiating the whole thing, and pointing out that troonery is nonsense.
They help to move the ball further down the field, and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Unless you've become a telepath since last I checked.
You never know.
You missed the point by a mile. The particulars of the ever shifting hydra of the left are irrelevant. The climate of fear and the unceasing demand for political correctness is however highly relevant.
It's the Soviet Union and communism being the all-purpose boogeyman of the right. Except that, of course, that you face a worse threat now.
To be fair, invalidating the troons could be a fast track to actual bankruptcy, legal issues, and having your business assaulted in a riot in the location they are settled.
In the same way that every Right winger in the mainstream is happy to talk about not being censored or free speech, but won't say nigger out loud on camera.
Of course, no disagreement there. But a panicked fool trying to stay above water and still drowning is a possible convert, while a true believer is already lost.
Honestly, I downvoted solely because of that retarded 'trigger warning', even if his view isn't that unreasonable. It just makes himself look like he's self-victimising like anyone else that uses that crap.
... messages claiming that ... [Excluding people by their genitalia] is an act of exclusion. That is categorically not true.
Tony reads this and responds:
... the spa isn't woke but is trying to survive ...
Did you literally have a phallus in your mouth when you wrote this? I know you have been gifted extraordinary talent for faggotry, but some days you outdo yourself.
Yes, I'm not saying that this guy believes what I do, or what he should.
What I asked was: what would you do if you were NOT woke and were trying to survive in San Francisco. I don't think these people are NOT woke. They're clearly LESS woke than the people demanding that there be no woman-only spaces at all, don't you agree?
What's so hard to grasp about that? Talking about being intentionally obtuse. Maybe it was also my fault for saying NOT woke when I meant LESS woke. I wanted people to think about what they would do if they were running a business in an area full of nutcases.
Trigger warning: unpopular view incoming.
It almost seems like the spa isn't woke but is trying to survive in a woke environment. A truly woke would not create a 'phallus-free' environment. Also, I hope they put up a Greek statue there.
The only legitimate way to make that claim is if you just didn't read the first three paragraphs. They're stumbling over themselves to avoid invalidating the troons despite the desperate need to address their actual customers.
Change a few words and this is right out of the dark days of the USSR. This is as woke as it gets without holding a mobile abortion wagon outside the building.
I don’t know. I bet I could I could write announcements like that. It’s a matter of understanding the (retarded) woke worldview, and just writing within that. It’s no harder than authoring a meme
Sure you or I could write something similar.
Would you publish it as an official statement under your own name? Would you take ownership of what it actually says? I sure as hell would not. You'd have to kill me before I prostrated myself to a troon.
Well, you made an analogy to the Soviet Union. If you lived there, you’d have to spew the party talking points publicly.
It is maybe possible that some business still survives in San Francisco without having ever actually bought into the insanity (or alternately they’re a different kind of insane like maybe hardcore feminists who lean toward TERF). Such a business who have to speak the language of woke and do it publicly.
It's San Francisco. There's going to be a lot of nutjobs. If they were as woke as you think, they wouldn't have organized this.
I'm not saying they're good guys. They're bending over to the woke, but rest assured that the troons aren't going to be happy with the "phallus-free" night, as it does not validate their delusions.
The USSR criminalized homosexuality and certainly didn't allow this sort of madness. Not even Ingsoc proclaimed anything as crazy as "men are women".
So what if it's Frisco? Show me what a man says and I'll show you who he is. There is no meaningful difference between someone spouting the orthodoxy of troonism and believing it, and someone giving it lip service. Unless you've become a telepath since last I checked.
You missed the point by a mile. The particulars of the ever shifting hydra of the left are irrelevant. The climate of fear and the unceasing demand for political correctness is however highly relevant.
A lot of people do, depending on the circumstances. Most of the opposition to troonery came from people pushing back on very specific aspects, like women in sports. They'd say things like: "I love and support trans people, but women's rights should be protected". Many of these have since moved towards repudiating the whole thing, and pointing out that troonery is nonsense.
They help to move the ball further down the field, and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
You never know.
It's the Soviet Union and communism being the all-purpose boogeyman of the right. Except that, of course, that you face a worse threat now.
To be fair, invalidating the troons could be a fast track to actual bankruptcy, legal issues, and having your business assaulted in a riot in the location they are settled.
In the same way that every Right winger in the mainstream is happy to talk about not being censored or free speech, but won't say nigger out loud on camera.
This is the key piece of information right there.
As a great man once said, if you live in Butt Town, you've got to get down.
Of course, no disagreement there. But a panicked fool trying to stay above water and still drowning is a possible convert, while a true believer is already lost.
The people who downvote you don't need a trigger warning, your name is enough
Honestly, I downvoted solely because of that retarded 'trigger warning', even if his view isn't that unreasonable. It just makes himself look like he's self-victimising like anyone else that uses that crap.
Yeah, I downvote him mostly because his posts are difficult to read while rolling my eyes so hard.
I typically don't, but being a cringy retard is a great way to get me to.
As I said, his view this time isn't that unreasonable, but as others pointed out, it changes nothing when the end result is the same.
I think you’re somewhat correct. However, if you’re a business in a liberal state and a liberal city and something bad happens to you… no pity from me
Tony reads this and responds:
Did you literally have a phallus in your mouth when you wrote this? I know you have been gifted extraordinary talent for faggotry, but some days you outdo yourself.
Wait, so it's "woke" to say that excluding people by their genitalia is an act of exclusion? Woke nutcases would not do that.
The X post is using the passive voce to dance around a damaging subject.
To paraphrase:
"Some people say that excluding people based on their genitalia is an act of exclusion. IT IS NOT!!11elven."
The post denies excluding people while excluding people; while coaching everything in woke AF language.
You know this Tony! Don't be deliberately obtuse.
Yes, I'm not saying that this guy believes what I do, or what he should.
What I asked was: what would you do if you were NOT woke and were trying to survive in San Francisco. I don't think these people are NOT woke. They're clearly LESS woke than the people demanding that there be no woman-only spaces at all, don't you agree?
What's so hard to grasp about that? Talking about being intentionally obtuse. Maybe it was also my fault for saying NOT woke when I meant LESS woke. I wanted people to think about what they would do if they were running a business in an area full of nutcases.