Hang on, from the screenshot provided don't we HAVE a measles vaccine that has existed and been tested for DECADES?
I get it, vaccines shouldn't be pushed on people especially when they are still experimental barely a year old but conflating that with ones that are decades old and we know the potential side effects and what can trigger them seems like malicious interpretation.
The MMR vaccine was the one originally implicated in the Andrew Wakefield autism claims and later questioned in more modern times after Wakefield was discredited.
TBH, I don’t know who to believe anymore for a lot of this stuff.
I do agree that I'm less concerned about older vaccine platforms with longer track
records.
Also less Big Pharma shenanigans present day because there's less profit to be made in old products off patent.
Some of these diseases are also actually serious as opposed to the gayop that was COVID.
Mumps, one of the 3 viruses the MMR vaccine tries to prevent, causes sterility in boys and men.
Exactly, I get the concern about vaccines especially MMR, I just don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and get rid of older vaccines that we know work and that vaccinate against the diseases the third world is riddled with.
We know the old vaccines work, but we don't really know their long-term side effects.
And the way to find out is from what RFKj said: we need herd immunity to protect unvaccinated people so more normal people choose to skip vaccination.
If it's just the crazies that don't get their kids vaccinated then any result is heavily selection biased. Ideally we would assign kids randomly to not get a particular vaccine or any vaccines, and the only way most parents would go along with that is if enough others are vaccinated that they feel their kids will be protected.
Three scientists from Merk sued the company alleging the MMR vaccine does literally nothing. The cell cultures they use to make it are so old and weak they no longer trigger any immune response. As far as I know the case has been delayed for 10 years and is still ongoing.
1)that these are decade old vaccines with no change in production process since original debut. X for doubt.
that they were ever safe in the first place.
And (3) albeit more controversial. that vaccines actually abate disease at all. Measals for example had a death rate the of 10 per 100,000 in 1919. This had reduced to 1/100,000 in 1965 BEFORE a vaccine was even available.
The cdc will tell you that MMR is 93% effective, but the they’ll also admit you can still get measles and they wont tell you how they came up with a 93% number in the first place.
The cdc will tell you that MMR is 93% effective, but the they’ll also admit you can still get measles and they wont tell you how they came up with a 93% number in the first place.
Yeah, this shit is so fucking dirty. They did the same with covid, just more blatant.
I wouldn't say vaccines don't work at all, although I agree their usefulness is almost certainly exaggerated. But measles outbreaks generally seem to hit the unvaccinated...or maybe those are the only ones that get reported on, I'd have to look into it more. Point is, here you have measles spreading specifically among those without the vaccine, so it's likely the vaccine does work to some extent.
That said, there's still the question of if the vaccine is necessary (measles is, while not completely harmless, still relatively harmless in children), if the vaccine benefits outweigh potential side effects, what the long-term effects on overall immune response is, and more.
But measles outbreaks generally seem to hit the unvaccinated...
False look up 1989 measles outbreak among vaxxed kids.
or maybe those are the only ones that get reported on
Yes
wouldn't say vaccines don't work at all, although I agree their usefulness is almost certainly exaggerated
CDC doesn’t want you to look at Measels case instance per capita between 1967 and 1990 because it clearly shows vaccination rate does not prevent spread.
Even in 1920 your chance of getting measles was 0.1% with a rate of death to 0.01%
By 1960 these rates reduced by 10x to 0.01% and 0.001% respectively. Again. Pre vax.
“Nah fam, inject yourself with poison, not worth the risk”
For perspective. If you take this at face value. You had a higher risk for “dying from covid” at 0.2% per capita than from measles in at any point during the last 100 years
Vaccines are a scam. The reason disease rates are down is because of first world hygiene standards. Not injections
They don't even have to find measels virus in their patients to declare a marked outbreak. All it required is the right symptoms and enough time passed since the last outbreak.
Hang on, from the screenshot provided don't we HAVE a measles vaccine that has existed and been tested for DECADES?
I get it, vaccines shouldn't be pushed on people especially when they are still experimental barely a year old but conflating that with ones that are decades old and we know the potential side effects and what can trigger them seems like malicious interpretation.
The MMR vaccine was the one originally implicated in the Andrew Wakefield autism claims and later questioned in more modern times after Wakefield was discredited.
TBH, I don’t know who to believe anymore for a lot of this stuff.
I do agree that I'm less concerned about older vaccine platforms with longer track records.
Also less Big Pharma shenanigans present day because there's less profit to be made in old products off patent.
Some of these diseases are also actually serious as opposed to the gayop that was COVID.
Mumps, one of the 3 viruses the MMR vaccine tries to prevent, causes sterility in boys and men.
Exactly, I get the concern about vaccines especially MMR, I just don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and get rid of older vaccines that we know work and that vaccinate against the diseases the third world is riddled with.
We know the old vaccines work, but we don't really know their long-term side effects.
And the way to find out is from what RFKj said: we need herd immunity to protect unvaccinated people so more normal people choose to skip vaccination.
If it's just the crazies that don't get their kids vaccinated then any result is heavily selection biased. Ideally we would assign kids randomly to not get a particular vaccine or any vaccines, and the only way most parents would go along with that is if enough others are vaccinated that they feel their kids will be protected.
Three scientists from Merk sued the company alleging the MMR vaccine does literally nothing. The cell cultures they use to make it are so old and weak they no longer trigger any immune response. As far as I know the case has been delayed for 10 years and is still ongoing.
"I trust Pfizer with this one but the other one is a death wish"
The assumption
1)that these are decade old vaccines with no change in production process since original debut. X for doubt.
And (3) albeit more controversial. that vaccines actually abate disease at all. Measals for example had a death rate the of 10 per 100,000 in 1919. This had reduced to 1/100,000 in 1965 BEFORE a vaccine was even available.
The cdc will tell you that MMR is 93% effective, but the they’ll also admit you can still get measles and they wont tell you how they came up with a 93% number in the first place.
Yeah, this shit is so fucking dirty. They did the same with covid, just more blatant.
I wouldn't say vaccines don't work at all, although I agree their usefulness is almost certainly exaggerated. But measles outbreaks generally seem to hit the unvaccinated...or maybe those are the only ones that get reported on, I'd have to look into it more. Point is, here you have measles spreading specifically among those without the vaccine, so it's likely the vaccine does work to some extent.
That said, there's still the question of if the vaccine is necessary (measles is, while not completely harmless, still relatively harmless in children), if the vaccine benefits outweigh potential side effects, what the long-term effects on overall immune response is, and more.
False look up 1989 measles outbreak among vaxxed kids.
Yes
CDC doesn’t want you to look at Measels case instance per capita between 1967 and 1990 because it clearly shows vaccination rate does not prevent spread.
Even in 1920 your chance of getting measles was 0.1% with a rate of death to 0.01%
By 1960 these rates reduced by 10x to 0.01% and 0.001% respectively. Again. Pre vax.
“Nah fam, inject yourself with poison, not worth the risk”
For perspective. If you take this at face value. You had a higher risk for “dying from covid” at 0.2% per capita than from measles in at any point during the last 100 years
Vaccines are a scam. The reason disease rates are down is because of first world hygiene standards. Not injections
They don't even have to find measels virus in their patients to declare a marked outbreak. All it required is the right symptoms and enough time passed since the last outbreak.
Existed, yes. Tested, no. None of the vaccines in the childhood schedule have been properly tested against inert placebos.
Bingo. The population has blindly accepted that these others work and antivaxxers are all just flat earther idiots.
The MMR vaccine is the one that is anecdotally linked to severe neurological damage.
While measles is highly contagious, it's not terribly lethal. The issue is pneumonia, which can't be vaccinated against.
1 per 100 000 fatality rate for measels. About the rate of unfortunate kids who would die of any infection in a matter or months / few years.
Mmm fetal bovine serum