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If you watch the full Trump-Zelensky press conference, it is very clear that Zelensky, not Trump or Vance, became the antagonist. Both POTUS and VP were very respectful and cordial until Zelensky very publicly ignited a firestorm. (twitter.com)
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– RoulerBleu 23 points 2 months ago +23 / -0

Anyone honest can see Zelensky was way out of line.

So of course the media and Democrats insinuate or claim it's Trump and Vance's fault.

Media who then went on to interview Zelensky, who was visibly uncomfortable at their questions made with ''Orange man bad, right?'' sauce, because Zelensky is now trying to salvage something out of this visit he fucked-up.

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– TheOpiner 8 points 2 months ago +9 / -1

So of course the media and Democrats insinuate or claim it's Trump and Vance's fault.

It's working too. Listening to a (perceived) right leaning talk radio station in the UK, the vast majority of callers were praising Zelenskyy and denouncing Trump. To the point where callers were calling for a British led war effort against Russia. If Starmer or any other European country decides to do that, the rest of the world will not take kindly to it and it will lead to consequences that will sink their economy and living standards so they can't fund their own spending, never mind funding a war effort.

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– current_horror 18 points 2 months ago +18 / -0

I want to see Europe try to go to war with Russia in 2025. This isn’t the 1940s. Most of Europe’s fighting age men fall into three categories:

  1. feminist soyboys who will beat the war drums while dodging any draft

  2. foreign Muslim invaders who will never lift a finger for the west unless it’s to invade Israel

  3. nationalist rural whites who would rather go to war with London

If the west tries to put boots on the ground in Russia, WW3 begins immediately. But it’s not going to go how leftists think it will.

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– TheOpiner 9 points 2 months ago +9 / -0

The second Trump and Xi implement sanctions in order to pursue peace and cripple the economies of European warmongerers, it's over. Can't fund a war without an economy and no-one is going to lend them the money. But listening to the politicians and commentators across the political spectrum on BBC Radio 4, they're all screaming "Orange Man Bad", "Russian Man Bad" and clambering for war with Russia now. You think Trump Derangement Syndrome after the election was bad? Listen to European talk stations today.

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– ghostfox1_ 6 points 2 months ago +7 / -1

If Europe goes to war, it goes nuclear. Europe's leaders are either the average woman or act like it, and have no idea about proportional responses, or consequences, etc.

It explains a lot.

Maybe imp was right.

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– AnAmishWithATude 4 points 2 months ago +4 / -0

Proportional responses don't apply to war. That's why avoiding it is so important.

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– Gizortnik 4 points 2 months ago +4 / -0

George Washington was right about Europe.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 2 months ago +3 / -0

I actually doubt that Russia would last in a proper ground war with just the US. As weak as Biden made us, the capacity for us to wage war is quite excellent. We are the unquestioned greatest military force on Earth and it's not close. Russia has major problems with shit conscripts and and shit equipment, and good equipment not properly maintained with terrible corruption. They should have taken Kiev. They didn't because of incompetence and fraud. Even with Ukraine's major manpower shortage right now, they haven't punched through, or even pushed Ukraine back from their attack into Kursk. Russia has a major military weakness, the government could be overthrown...

But why the hell would we do that when we couldn't even do proper regime change in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, or Lybia? And we're going to do that against a popular regime? And just getting Moscow is going to probably kill fifty to a hundred thousand Americans, and for what?... Nothing besides money for a few oligarchs that will be used on hookers and blow. The Iraq War made more sense than this.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 3 points 2 months ago +3 / -0

Anyone that still talks about "ground wars" against Russia or China hasn't been paying attention since the Korean War. The post-nuclear meta for fighting the US is to force it to quit via a series of Pyrrhic victories. Like the fat retard at the playground, the US will brag about how it totally won the war, but with nothing to show for it other than ant bites and shit in its pants.

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– censorthisss 10 points 2 months ago +10 / -0

Listening to a (perceived) right leaning talk radio station in the UK, the vast majority of callers were praising Zelenskyy and denouncing Trump.

"Perceived" is right, and they'd never let any callers on air unless they were backing the globalist war mongers.

This is like pointing to reddit's front page and saying it's working.

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– AnAmishWithATude 4 points 2 months ago +4 / -0

a British led war effort against Russia

That was always allowed. Good luck!

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– Gizortnik 3 points 2 months ago +3 / -0

Sounds like LBC. They are a Leftist terrorist group.

I seriously doubt the general public of Britain is that stupid.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 2 months ago +2 / -0

He might not have been out of line if and only if a) a deal hadn't already been signed, b) he wasn't a vassal talking to his overlord.

Media who then went on to interview Zelensky, who was visibly uncomfortable at their questions made with ''Orange man bad, right?''

Yeah, this is the last thing Zelensky would actually want the media to have done at that moment.

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