“This holiday season, remember Mary had a choice, and you should, too”
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That fake Christian Mary Magic Pie, before the account was deleted on November 6th, was spreading much the same heresy.
A blatant lie of course. Abortion is a mortal sin in the Catechism, and no amount of political waffling changes that.
Wasn't that thing a troon propagandist?
Among other things.
"Catholics for Choice" what a joke! That's like "Muslims for Pork" or something. (They are WAY more uptight about pork than most Jewish folk are)
When even Atheists & Muslims are calling out your stupidity? You know you should just shut up.
Considering the odd amount of venerability Catholics afford Mary, this is even creepier than normal.
Obvious much?
I thought they meant that the Angel (Or Archangel) gave Mary a choice? She could have refused, iirc. Thus Mary was a model for Christians to follow.
She also had 7 kids with Joseph after Jesus, not a "perpetual virgin' except in spirit maybe?
26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
Doesn't really sound like she gets a choice in the matter tbh.
Mary's choice is given in verse 38, which you didn't quote:
Mary is clearly giving her assent to becoming the mother of Jesus in this verse.
Her choice was prior to conception. Apart from cases of rape, every woman also has such a choice - she can choose whether or not to have sexual intercourse.
I was raised Catholic. At no point ever in the classes or church readings was she asked about carrying and birthing the son of God. She was told by an angel God had chosen her for that purpose.
I disagree with you. Mary agreeing to be the Mother of God is a key aspect of Catholic theology. I know it well because it is part of the mediation of the first Joyful Mystery of the Holy Rosary - The Annunciation. Mary giving her fiat, to allow God to act through her, is an example we should all follow when He calls us and asks something of us - we should make the same choice as she did and say 'Yes' to God.
You don't have to take my word for it as it is clearly stated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (my emphasis):
So yes, Mary did have a choice but this choice was prior to conception. Apart from cases of rape, every woman also has such a choice - she can choose whether or not to have sexual intercourse.
Here is the story we were taught, as the Bible says it :
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1:26-38&version=NIV
Not ''would you please?'' but ''you will''. God commands, she says so be it.
Edit : Nevermind your website, which is blocked, here is the Vatican Catechism in French ( because I searched like that ) and the line you refer to marches translation, so I concede that the 1992 Vatican catechism says that... Which is different from what the Bible says.
https://www.vatican.va/archive/FRA0013/__P1H.HTM
Not the first time the something contradictory is found in the Church or the Bible.
Yes the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) promulgated by the Pope. Search for it if you don't believe me, I gave you the reference number. I located the reference in my hardcopy and gave a link to the first online copy I found. The Bible verse supporting this is Luke 1:38. I quoted it in my another response here.
She was told ''you will'', she answers ''I am the Lord's servant''. Not exactly supporting your point. Is ''May your word to me be fulfilled.'' supposed to be enthousiastic consent after the decision has been made for her?
I suppose my classes and Church were not Real 1992 Catholics enough.
Back to my initial point :
Which I maintain. The ''solution'' to modern concerns about Mary's consent is rather obvious anyway : God knows everything, so of course he would pick a woman who would want to do it, and just told her after picking her. Which still sounds weird by today's standarts.
Of course God knew she would have wanted to do it. But she still had to say "Yes". Otherwise God would have been forcing Mary to be impregnated without her consent.
I don't know what your point is. Go to any Catholic church and ask the priest - did Mary have a choice whether to become the Mother of Jesus or not - I know they will say "Yes, she did have a choice". We mediate on Mary's fiat in the Rosary. It's part of many homilies. It's not a new interpretation. It's not modern. It's right there in the Bible.
It's not contradictory. It's clear to me that that verse and the preceding lines are in agreement with the Holy See's interpretation of it, as given in the CCC.
The point is that God respects our free will. He requires our assent. No doubt He is calling you to do something for Him, like He is calling me and all of us. Whether or not you give your assent is up to you.
"You will"
"So be it master"
Much consent.
All you are really doing is pointing our the absurdity of Sola Scriptura.
What the what?!
Of course those cowards would disable replies.
Elon needs to remove that shit, if you broadcast your stupid opinion to the whole internet, you shouldn't be able to just hide.