I’ve never seen a good argument for why people shouldn’t use the term “woke”. The one I see come up the most frequently is “People will call anything with a black/woman/gay in it woke”.
Yeah, that’s what happens you poison the well. That association came about from years worth of very deliberate actions by progressives. They are the ones who made women and blacks(as lead characters) into mascots for their retarded ideology that purposefully incites conflict everywhere they go, and then pretend to be shocked when people start practicing pattern recognition and start rejecting it.
MANY people are absolutely sick of the intersectional feminist commie “frame every fucking thing in the universe through oppressor/victim lens” narrative, and finger-wagging them for using a word isn’t going to make them magically shut up and accept it. Nor is playing a shell game with words going to serve as a reality hack to dodge criticism of this ideology that insists on inserting itself everywhere.
“Why don’t you say what your specific problem is without saying woke, it’s so overused it’s lost it’s meaning”
It has not lost it’s meaning, people moan about the term because they don’t want progressive ideas being criticized. It’s not even the term that’s the issue, they have no problem with “woke” when it’s associated with something they align with succeeding, like that crap ass Barbie movie.
Where is this concern for the sanctity of words when leftists are throwing around “racist”, “sexist”,”misogynist””fascist”,”reactionary”,”incel”, “bigot”,”white supremacist” like potpourri at a wedding? I notice this griping over words is very one-sided, it’s nearly always coming from a progressive, or some normie who doesn’t research anything and gets their talking points from progressives.
A term doesn’t have to have to encompass a thing with total accuracy to be a useful descriptor. No-one actually expects that of any term. Woke is a convenient euphemism for decisions made that 9/10 are based in either intersectional feminism, “white man bad” American racial grievance bullshit, or LGBTWTFBBQ. It’s not hard to define, they just refuse to accept the obvious and go off like a pre-recorded message about “MUH AFRICAN AMERICAN VERNACULAR ALERTNESS TO PREJUDICE”, as if anyone is persuaded by them acting like children, pretending not to understand that words can take on new meanings over time.
Progressives never argue in good faith, it doesn’t matter if you love 100 female-led movies and tv shows and never use the term “woke” once, as soon as you critique some pile of trash like the Acolyte, they’re going to start throwing out the -istaphobes to try and intimidate you into silence, because it’s what they always do. If normies are sick of hearing the term, well, I’m sick of the movement that the term refers to and want it to die already. Neither of us are getting what we want, too fucking bad.
TLDR, Keep using it, the people who bitch about it are either woke themselves, or so low-information/investment that there’s little reason to care about their opinion anyway.
People complaining about the use of the label woke also act as a filter of sorts to out content creators who pretend to be neutral.
I unsubbed last week to a couple of old niche streamers I used to watch frequently because I happened upon their Twitters while they were complaining about the overuse of "woke". And celebrating the segregation of purebloods.
Much like asking a Jap to pronounce Lollapalooza, woke serves as a shibboleth, especially for concern trolls wasting everyone's time JAQing off with "define woke".
Yeah sure it's the media's fault, not the fault of freaks with blue hair calling themselves woke.
I also hate how the media turned the phrase "fellow traveler" that simply let others know you were a nice peace loving fan of The Hobbit into something about communists. Stupid jew media.
Woke used to mean like, anti slavery, aware of crimes against humanity, knowing that the elite run this world.
That literally hasn't changed, because the application of woke is firmly rooted in that kind of faggy nonsense to justify it. Genocide all the Whites because muh slavery. Rewrite history because muh colonization.
The entire concept is about the elimination of normal-raced, normal-sexed, normal-thinking people that is rationalized under "muh oppression".
It was always in context of anti white sentiment, anti supposed slavery (by huwites), aware of supposed crimes against (brown) humanity (by huwites), the (huwite) elites run this world. The latest edition of lgbt+ attached to it is just extension of anti (straight) huwites.
You’re getting pounded for some reason but I remember exactly what you’re talking about.
At one point, you were woke if you knew 9/11 was an inside job to fuel the perpetual war machine, you were woke if you knew about Tuskegee and the way mental institutions were co-opted by cia experimentation programs.
Then one day, all of a sudden, woke meant “aMeRiCa iS fOuNdEd oN rAciSm”
It sure as hell wasn’t the people talking about 9/11 and the control of the banking cartels that caused this switch to occur…
The backlash against the word “woke” is because it’s so unbelievably effective against them now that their side is culturally up against the ropes for once.
The thing is, it's not that the "Anti-woke" is scoring victories against them - they are falling flat on their ass constantly despite having all the advantages in their court. They’re up against the ropes because everyone else is getting sick of their bullshit.
The term has gained the power it does because of their own actions (namely being insufferable tyrannical cunts), their own projects backed by mega-corporations and million-dollar budgets bombing every other month. They seem to think that just dodging or discrediting the “woke” label will save them, but it’s not going to change anything. People don’t want Dustborn, or Concord, or the Acolyte, or whatever other shitfest comes next, and you can only do the “Popular IP Skinsuit” trick so many times before you piss off too much of that that built-in audience and they stop coming.
They’re freaking out because they’ve finally hit a barrier that they can’t get around with globalist money injections, or calling it racist.
Actually, there's a better term than "Woke," which made them shriek way louder back when they had far less contested power.
Cultural Marxist. Time to dust off that old term, it's way more self-explanatory because everyone sees this ostensibly paradoxical situation of capitalist institutions engaged in something that's "Marxist" in every way but economic.
You don't even need to know the background with the Frankfurt School and such. It's a good enough term when taken at face-value, as it distances you from the vibes of boomers who've never left the Cold War, while at the same time highlighting that there's something extreme and sinister about these people.
"Woke" was term that originated from Social Justice Warriors, both of which emanated from those kinds of people as self-descriptors.
I personally don't use the term "woke" because it sounds childish, just as when the SJWs first used it back around the time of Gamergate. It was a low-IQ, smooth brain "I'm smart" word that progressives came up with to make themselves act as though they're superior, and to me, appropriating a word used by pseudo-intellectuals isn't smart.
It's far better to use proper political terms to describe their behavior. Yes, it might go over the sheep's heads or go ignored, but you have to get people to realize the history of these political movements and that this shit isn't new. It has a century-long history. If you want to destroy the progressives in totality, the sheep need to be shown where it originates from, not making it sound like this is a recent or new concept
It's far better to use proper political terms to describe their behavior.
"Better" is pretty subjective. Yes, proper terms may be more precise, but it doesn't piss off the commies nearly as much as when we take their jargon, turn it against them, and shove it up their ass.
People are idiots. If rational debate was all it took to convince them of something, everyone would already be a conservative. These people will only ever respond to power, and the best way to show that they have none is to mock them mercilessly until they STFU out of shame.
But it doesn't piss off the commies nearly as much as when we take their jargon, turn it against them, and shove it up their ass
They're pissed because the sheep have finally made a negative word association to the shit being forced onto them. We got lucky that those shoveling the "woke" boiled the frog too quickly or went too hot with their boil, and are starting to slightly suffer for it. Yet they persist...
People are idiots. If rational debate was all it took to convince them of something, everyone would already be a conservative
That's the bulk of my issue with the populace. Things may return to normal and our enemies will run away in shame, but the cycle will just start again because people never learn, especially if they aren't shown how things became the way they did. Explaining it better may give some hope that things take decades to cycle back instead of years.
The problem with this is that a lot of the woke aren’t motivated by consistent political beliefs.
Their rhetoric is clearly Marxist derived, but a lot of these people are not Communists or Marxist in any meaningful sense. The typical woke doesn’t give a shit about Marx, abolition of private property, seizing the means of production. They have no issues with billionaires or giant corporations, so long as they’re on their side.
Many of them are not revolutionaries in any way, they play defense for the government all the time (Democrats at least), and call people questioning things “threats to democracy”. From what I’ve seen, the only consistent through-line is hating straight white men, and blaming them for everything.
If the proper political term is “progressive”, I have to ask, how is this a meaningful distinction? Is “Woke” not just a pejorative term for Progressive, like Nazi for National Socialist?
You have laid out perfectly what I’ve been saying for a while. I personally call it “the trifecta” referring to the constant over representation of black/lgbt/female (girl power). I know they say woke is used too much but how else to describe it. Also, people know the lgbt population is small so naturally it makes sense to get annoyed with it being shoved into everything or some racial narrative constant being talked about. One thing I noticed first is the constant push for women into male dominated hobbies/interests
" the constant over representation of black/lgbt/female (girl power)."
I've started calling black lesbians "Threefers", because every time they include one in something, it's three check marks in one character. It damn near guarantees whatever you’re watching is going to be a pile of woke crap. Watching American media today, you’d think nearly all black women were gay.
“Also, people know the lgbt population is small so naturally it makes sense to get annoyed with it being shoved into everything or some racial narrative constant being talked about. “
Something I wanted to note regarding that – you ever notice how, even with the deluge of woke content, you never see a gay male protagonist in a movie/show, unless it’s explicitly about being gay? There’s a reason for that. Straight men don’t want to identify with gay male characters. They just don’t. No amount of calling them “homophobe” will change this. When they need LGBT rep, it’s almost always a lesbian lead. Another thing – straight men have zero interest in a lesbian character that isn’t hot.
I don’t have an issue with gays and lesbians having their own content, or the occasional character who just happens to be that, or even a larger amount if there’s some intentional reason that isn’t virtue signaling (i.e. all-female civilization or whatever). But shoving them front-and-center into stories that having nothing to do with being gay is inherently off-putting, and the woke do it intentionally because they’re compulsive iconoclasts who loathe everything normal and need to “stick it to the cis white patriarchy” at every opportunity, even when it’s creating disdain and resentment for the same people they’re supposedly trying to help.
“One thing I noticed first is the constant push for women into male dominated hobbies/interests “
It’s about “fighting the patriarchy”. Male spaces are inherently a threat to women because you leave men alone in a group, it inherently fosters misogynist beliefs and practices, according to their bullshit ideology men are evil monsters who need to be monitored and kept in check at all times. You can see why feminism endears to so many oligarchs and tyrants, they’re never left wanting for an excuse to interfere with people’s lives.
I was illustrating to someone what has happened to male hobbies and said it would be like taking over hallmark and making war movies or action thrillers while calling the core fanbase toxic for wanting to see romance.
Like you, I used to not mind a gay character here and there and I’ve read plenty of books with gay characters but that wasn’t the focus. If they were more in proportion to the actual population that would be different. Like you said make gay themed content for a gay audience.
I laughed out loud about he black lesbian thing because that seems to be all over
I’ve never seen a good argument for why people shouldn’t use the term “woke”. The one I see come up the most frequently is “People will call anything with a black/woman/gay in it woke”.
Yeah, that’s what happens you poison the well. That association came about from years worth of very deliberate actions by progressives. They are the ones who made women and blacks(as lead characters) into mascots for their retarded ideology that purposefully incites conflict everywhere they go, and then pretend to be shocked when people start practicing pattern recognition and start rejecting it.
MANY people are absolutely sick of the intersectional feminist commie “frame every fucking thing in the universe through oppressor/victim lens” narrative, and finger-wagging them for using a word isn’t going to make them magically shut up and accept it. Nor is playing a shell game with words going to serve as a reality hack to dodge criticism of this ideology that insists on inserting itself everywhere.
“Why don’t you say what your specific problem is without saying woke, it’s so overused it’s lost it’s meaning”
It has not lost it’s meaning, people moan about the term because they don’t want progressive ideas being criticized. It’s not even the term that’s the issue, they have no problem with “woke” when it’s associated with something they align with succeeding, like that crap ass Barbie movie.
Where is this concern for the sanctity of words when leftists are throwing around “racist”, “sexist”,”misogynist””fascist”,”reactionary”,”incel”, “bigot”,”white supremacist” like potpourri at a wedding? I notice this griping over words is very one-sided, it’s nearly always coming from a progressive, or some normie who doesn’t research anything and gets their talking points from progressives.
A term doesn’t have to have to encompass a thing with total accuracy to be a useful descriptor. No-one actually expects that of any term. Woke is a convenient euphemism for decisions made that 9/10 are based in either intersectional feminism, “white man bad” American racial grievance bullshit, or LGBTWTFBBQ. It’s not hard to define, they just refuse to accept the obvious and go off like a pre-recorded message about “MUH AFRICAN AMERICAN VERNACULAR ALERTNESS TO PREJUDICE”, as if anyone is persuaded by them acting like children, pretending not to understand that words can take on new meanings over time.
Progressives never argue in good faith, it doesn’t matter if you love 100 female-led movies and tv shows and never use the term “woke” once, as soon as you critique some pile of trash like the Acolyte, they’re going to start throwing out the -istaphobes to try and intimidate you into silence, because it’s what they always do. If normies are sick of hearing the term, well, I’m sick of the movement that the term refers to and want it to die already. Neither of us are getting what we want, too fucking bad.
TLDR, Keep using it, the people who bitch about it are either woke themselves, or so low-information/investment that there’s little reason to care about their opinion anyway.
People complaining about the use of the label woke also act as a filter of sorts to out content creators who pretend to be neutral.
I unsubbed last week to a couple of old niche streamers I used to watch frequently because I happened upon their Twitters while they were complaining about the overuse of "woke". And celebrating the segregation of purebloods.
Much like asking a Jap to pronounce Lollapalooza, woke serves as a shibboleth, especially for concern trolls wasting everyone's time JAQing off with "define woke".
Thing that really grinds my gears.
The media took the term woke, and gave it a new meaning.
Woke used to mean like, anti slavery, aware of crimes against humanity, knowing that the elite run this world.
Now it means something about freaks with blue hair.
Just constantly twisting words around to change the narrative. And the mainstream person just falls right in line.
Yeah sure it's the media's fault, not the fault of freaks with blue hair calling themselves woke.
I also hate how the media turned the phrase "fellow traveler" that simply let others know you were a nice peace loving fan of The Hobbit into something about communists. Stupid jew media.
Isn't a fellow traveler a faggot?
That literally hasn't changed, because the application of woke is firmly rooted in that kind of faggy nonsense to justify it. Genocide all the Whites because muh slavery. Rewrite history because muh colonization.
The entire concept is about the elimination of normal-raced, normal-sexed, normal-thinking people that is rationalized under "muh oppression".
It was always in context of anti white sentiment, anti supposed slavery (by huwites), aware of supposed crimes against (brown) humanity (by huwites), the (huwite) elites run this world. The latest edition of lgbt+ attached to it is just extension of anti (straight) huwites.
You’re getting pounded for some reason but I remember exactly what you’re talking about.
At one point, you were woke if you knew 9/11 was an inside job to fuel the perpetual war machine, you were woke if you knew about Tuskegee and the way mental institutions were co-opted by cia experimentation programs.
Then one day, all of a sudden, woke meant “aMeRiCa iS fOuNdEd oN rAciSm”
It sure as hell wasn’t the people talking about 9/11 and the control of the banking cartels that caused this switch to occur…
Couldn’t agree more on ALL points.
The backlash against the word “woke” is because it’s so unbelievably effective against them now that their side is culturally up against the ropes for once.
Fuck them. Keep saying it
The thing is, it's not that the "Anti-woke" is scoring victories against them - they are falling flat on their ass constantly despite having all the advantages in their court. They’re up against the ropes because everyone else is getting sick of their bullshit.
The term has gained the power it does because of their own actions (namely being insufferable tyrannical cunts), their own projects backed by mega-corporations and million-dollar budgets bombing every other month. They seem to think that just dodging or discrediting the “woke” label will save them, but it’s not going to change anything. People don’t want Dustborn, or Concord, or the Acolyte, or whatever other shitfest comes next, and you can only do the “Popular IP Skinsuit” trick so many times before you piss off too much of that that built-in audience and they stop coming.
They’re freaking out because they’ve finally hit a barrier that they can’t get around with globalist money injections, or calling it racist.
Actually, there's a better term than "Woke," which made them shriek way louder back when they had far less contested power.
Cultural Marxist. Time to dust off that old term, it's way more self-explanatory because everyone sees this ostensibly paradoxical situation of capitalist institutions engaged in something that's "Marxist" in every way but economic.
You don't even need to know the background with the Frankfurt School and such. It's a good enough term when taken at face-value, as it distances you from the vibes of boomers who've never left the Cold War, while at the same time highlighting that there's something extreme and sinister about these people.
Disagree.
Hell, I think our enemies used it first. "Stay woke."
"Woke" was term that originated from Social Justice Warriors, both of which emanated from those kinds of people as self-descriptors.
I personally don't use the term "woke" because it sounds childish, just as when the SJWs first used it back around the time of Gamergate. It was a low-IQ, smooth brain "I'm smart" word that progressives came up with to make themselves act as though they're superior, and to me, appropriating a word used by pseudo-intellectuals isn't smart.
It's far better to use proper political terms to describe their behavior. Yes, it might go over the sheep's heads or go ignored, but you have to get people to realize the history of these political movements and that this shit isn't new. It has a century-long history. If you want to destroy the progressives in totality, the sheep need to be shown where it originates from, not making it sound like this is a recent or new concept
"Better" is pretty subjective. Yes, proper terms may be more precise, but it doesn't piss off the commies nearly as much as when we take their jargon, turn it against them, and shove it up their ass.
People are idiots. If rational debate was all it took to convince them of something, everyone would already be a conservative. These people will only ever respond to power, and the best way to show that they have none is to mock them mercilessly until they STFU out of shame.
They're pissed because the sheep have finally made a negative word association to the shit being forced onto them. We got lucky that those shoveling the "woke" boiled the frog too quickly or went too hot with their boil, and are starting to slightly suffer for it. Yet they persist...
That's the bulk of my issue with the populace. Things may return to normal and our enemies will run away in shame, but the cycle will just start again because people never learn, especially if they aren't shown how things became the way they did. Explaining it better may give some hope that things take decades to cycle back instead of years.
The problem with this is that a lot of the woke aren’t motivated by consistent political beliefs. Their rhetoric is clearly Marxist derived, but a lot of these people are not Communists or Marxist in any meaningful sense. The typical woke doesn’t give a shit about Marx, abolition of private property, seizing the means of production. They have no issues with billionaires or giant corporations, so long as they’re on their side.
Many of them are not revolutionaries in any way, they play defense for the government all the time (Democrats at least), and call people questioning things “threats to democracy”. From what I’ve seen, the only consistent through-line is hating straight white men, and blaming them for everything.
If the proper political term is “progressive”, I have to ask, how is this a meaningful distinction? Is “Woke” not just a pejorative term for Progressive, like Nazi for National Socialist?
You have laid out perfectly what I’ve been saying for a while. I personally call it “the trifecta” referring to the constant over representation of black/lgbt/female (girl power). I know they say woke is used too much but how else to describe it. Also, people know the lgbt population is small so naturally it makes sense to get annoyed with it being shoved into everything or some racial narrative constant being talked about. One thing I noticed first is the constant push for women into male dominated hobbies/interests
" the constant over representation of black/lgbt/female (girl power)."
I've started calling black lesbians "Threefers", because every time they include one in something, it's three check marks in one character. It damn near guarantees whatever you’re watching is going to be a pile of woke crap. Watching American media today, you’d think nearly all black women were gay.
“Also, people know the lgbt population is small so naturally it makes sense to get annoyed with it being shoved into everything or some racial narrative constant being talked about. “
Something I wanted to note regarding that – you ever notice how, even with the deluge of woke content, you never see a gay male protagonist in a movie/show, unless it’s explicitly about being gay? There’s a reason for that. Straight men don’t want to identify with gay male characters. They just don’t. No amount of calling them “homophobe” will change this. When they need LGBT rep, it’s almost always a lesbian lead. Another thing – straight men have zero interest in a lesbian character that isn’t hot.
I don’t have an issue with gays and lesbians having their own content, or the occasional character who just happens to be that, or even a larger amount if there’s some intentional reason that isn’t virtue signaling (i.e. all-female civilization or whatever). But shoving them front-and-center into stories that having nothing to do with being gay is inherently off-putting, and the woke do it intentionally because they’re compulsive iconoclasts who loathe everything normal and need to “stick it to the cis white patriarchy” at every opportunity, even when it’s creating disdain and resentment for the same people they’re supposedly trying to help.
“One thing I noticed first is the constant push for women into male dominated hobbies/interests “
It’s about “fighting the patriarchy”. Male spaces are inherently a threat to women because you leave men alone in a group, it inherently fosters misogynist beliefs and practices, according to their bullshit ideology men are evil monsters who need to be monitored and kept in check at all times. You can see why feminism endears to so many oligarchs and tyrants, they’re never left wanting for an excuse to interfere with people’s lives.
I was illustrating to someone what has happened to male hobbies and said it would be like taking over hallmark and making war movies or action thrillers while calling the core fanbase toxic for wanting to see romance.
Like you, I used to not mind a gay character here and there and I’ve read plenty of books with gay characters but that wasn’t the focus. If they were more in proportion to the actual population that would be different. Like you said make gay themed content for a gay audience.
I laughed out loud about he black lesbian thing because that seems to be all over