This is not Weimar level of degeneracy yet. It's getting there, and the club and every who attends it needs to be eradicated, but it's not Weimar level of degeneracy yet.
In 1931, Berlin surely was the artistic capital of Europe, full of brilliant theaters, cabarets, avant-garde art shows, trail-blazing films, experiments of all kinds. The
Kurfiirstendamm, the famous tree-lined boulevard, a pretentious imitation of the Avenue des Champs Elysees, was filled with characters dreamed up by de Sade, Havelock Ellis, Sacher-Masoch, Krafft-Ebing, and Sigmund Freud. There were men dressed as women, women dressed as men or little schoolgirls, women in boots with whips (boots and whips in different colors, shapes, and sizes, promising different passive or active divertissements). I saw legless veterans on crutches, culs-de-jatte, armless or blind veterans wearing iron crosses, and the hungry unshaven unemployed, all of them begging. I saw pimps offering anything to
anybody, little boys, little girls, robust young men, libidinous women, or (I suppose) animals. (The story went around that a male goose of which one cut the neck at the ecstatic moment would give you the most delicious, economical, and timesaving frisson of all, as it allowed you to enjoy sodomy, bestiality, homosexuality, necrophilia, and sadism at one stroke. Gastronomy, too, as one could eat the goose afterward.)
Ok, I undersold it a bit. This is a blog post of a Yelp review of some straight dude who had the misfortune of ending up in the extra degenerate part of the "club":
There was one dude that was riding another guy (cowgirl style) and yelling "Balles Tief!" "Balles Tief!"…I ask the dude next to me…"What's he screamin?!"…He informs "Balles Tief" is German for "Balls Deep"…
Speaking no German, that's hilariously obvious from context and rhyme.
If he's riding on top, then he is the one controlling the depth in the first place. Who's he yelling directions at? Or is he just proud of himself?
Okay what.
That two word sentence is so wrong, it's funny.
This is activating my autism.
There's 3 possibilities here:
The dude was being funny, by saying an English phrase in a mangled German way.
German faggots use slang that is beyond my comprehension.
This is made up, by a dude with a limited understanding of German.
"Balles tief!" would translate to "The deep of the ball".
If you really wanted to keep the word "balls" in there it would have to be "bälletief". But "Bälle" isn't really a commonly used euphemism in the first place. Sure, if you do use it, people will know what you mean, and it is used in German dubs of movies, but people usually say "Sack", "Eier" or maybe "Klöten" (but I've only heard that one in reference to animal balls or by boys trying to be extra crude).
Screaming "balls deep" instead of just "deeper!" seems weird to me in the first place.
The 2 brits are gay and going to a gay club but dont try to determine if the guy they met 2min before is also gay? It would be more likely they would try to pick up the guy for sex, not only going to "the coolest club ever " without hitting on him.
Guy is too oblivious and stays too long.
Clubs like this are very insular and don't like "tourists" or casual curious people.
I mean, it’s almost certainly exaggerated for effect, but everything I’ve read suggests this is fairly “on par” with the reputation of the place…
It is, however, recommended on many “tourist” lists. Which seems odd, all things considered.
Then again, Berlin is known as a party town, so I suppose it fits that “mould”.
From my understanding of it, the guy either stumbled into the BDSM-fag section of the club (see the Wiki page), or on one of the nights where that section takes over the main hall.
I’m also not so skeptical of situations like this occurring.
I’ve regularly met randos in hostels and been convinced to go clubbing with them that night, occasionally with the intention of something sexual (with the women, obviously. I don’t think I’ve ever had a gay male try to get me to go with them), with no prior knowledge. Occasionally that has landed me in some less than ideal places, overseas. So I would honestly believe it.
The only outlier for me is, as you point out, that they weren’t upfront about their proclivities. But who knows, honestly…
That's obviously the most....'generous' interpretation of it's history given the source provided.
And it pulled up red flags in my head alone by the part saying patrons put stickers over their smartphone cameras. So got some other source that could go from on what they are TRULY up to?
Edit: right posted this BEFORE the comment by OP, yeah I now understand where MOST our STDs are made..
I'm just REALLY glad I didn't hear 'children' in ANY of that. Although I have a sick feeling they're just in a backroom for 'VIPs'....
Yeah, if you read the link in my other comment there, it is… A lot. It goes into quite extensive detail of one guy’s experiences in there, and there is some more (politicized) discussion in the comments on the blog post…
Frankly, it sounds like literal torture. Which, given the BDSM theme, is probably the actual idea…
Though in that guy’s case, his companions literally took his phone off him, so it gets even worse than the sticker bit, lol…
Australia’s largest nightclub (Home, in Sydney) also used to (temporarily) take away your phone at the door, but to my knowledge they haven’t done that in decades, and it also doesn’t have the reputation for… Degeneracy that this one does, obviously.
I’ve been to a couple of “gay/fetish clubs” before, with women. They enjoyed it well enough, but I hated it the entire time, lol. So I can’t imagine I would be able to tolerate this one at all…
I'm a bloody abstinence advocate by just thinking of doing a threesome with two (born as and 'unmodified') women by their standards..
I do a policy lifestyle wise of no drugs and never really got the interest to try alcohol, rather try different kinds of food from an hygienically clean establishment. All I see from this using drugs to dilute the moral and guilt functions of the their 'patrons' so they're so far down the degenerate slippery slope, they have a sunken cost of thinking there's no way back to being moral.
Interesting point there - I kind of wonder how that fits into general nihilism and broader just not really giving a shit.
Because I can say from anecdotal experience that after I was diagnosed with a chronic illness, and subsequently got some money saved up, I essentially went on a partying bender for a few months…
Not so much drugs (never really been a fan, either) outside of tobacco products, but heavy drinking, gambling, partying all night, lots of casual sex, etc. And obviously the financial cost that came with that (which I am still paying off!)…
Because I just… Didn’t give a shit, for a while there. Nothing “long term” felt like it really mattered.
Not quite the same, obviously, but I wonder how it fits into the slippery slope thing that you speak of.
My liver (and credit score) thanks me that benders like that were only temporary adventures, at the very least…
It's a HUGE factor, they want you uncaring, nihilistic only gaining 'feeling' from primitive base urges as you're easier to control then. Just look at these degenerates voting patterns..
I was fortunate for having a REALLY strong figure in my grandfather and completely healthy barring eyes and even that's extremely minor. They want to get your hooks on you when you're at your lowest, drag you down the slopes of excess into a hole you can't climb out of. You got LUCKY in going 'wtf am I doing?' and stopped your decent to climb out.
Neitzche warned about absence of religion making this kinda shit easier to do and the past century has shown this.
YOU can't have antibiotics because of the fear of superbugs. They have free license to breed superbugs because the suggestion that maybe keep it in their pants for an hour a day is homophobic.
And it pulled up red flags in my head alone by the part saying patrons put stickers over their smartphone cameras.
That is not that strange in some clubs here in Germany.
On one hand it's nice, cause you're there to party and not to make a movie. I had situations (in other clubs) where people were filming the whole set of a dj without doing anything else. That kind of ruins the vibe. Same as retards who have their flash on while filming. That annoys everyone.
Then there's a sense of privacy. Pacha Munich is one of the clubs that I've been to last year who have such a rule. But you occasionally get a well known person there, who obviously also want to just party. Think: Bayern München players.
On the other hand it's a way to sound "cool" and "prestigeous" for the club. Cause "Well known clubs like Berghain do that, so if we do it we are at the same level". Similar shit like intentionally blocking entrance for everyone for 10min so the line in front of the club seems longer.
Personally I just remove the sticker after entering and check the vibe within the club. Pacha you had occasionally some people who filmed for a short moment, so the overall rule there is more like "Hey, don't overdo it, okay? And if you do - you were warned so don't act surprised if you get kicked out" .
Can't be too careful about health. You wouldn't want someone to catch a cold during your drug-fueled gay orgy.
Hey, I’m sure a lot of their crowd is self-immunocompromised enough for covid to actually be dangerous. Not that the vaccines help, of course.
This is not Weimar level of degeneracy yet. It's getting there, and the club and every who attends it needs to be eradicated, but it's not Weimar level of degeneracy yet.
This is Weimar Germany, from The Europeans pg. 75 by Luigi Barzini Jr.:
Add in the collapsed economy and we're still a far ways off of Weimar (though we are doing a good job of digging our way there).
I wonder if we are printing more money today than weimar?
(I guess we would have to compare amount of money (measured in gold) printed)
Maybe nuking Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't such a bad idea...
It's not just that one club. Weimar was downright based compared to the West's current degeneracy problem.
We're living the dream. 🤡
Ok, I undersold it a bit. This is a blog post of a Yelp review of some straight dude who had the misfortune of ending up in the extra degenerate part of the "club":
https://archive.is/xcOx4
There's no photos, but you'll probably want mental eyebleach after reading it, lol.
The comments, however, are entertaining.
Fuck, I can't believe that they recommend this place to tourists, of all things...
Freaks.
I doubt that the orgy members of a degenerate sex club put too much thought into the logical consistency of their sex vocalizations.
Okay what. That two word sentence is so wrong, it's funny. This is activating my autism.
There's 3 possibilities here:
"Balles tief!" would translate to "The deep of the ball". If you really wanted to keep the word "balls" in there it would have to be "bälletief". But "Bälle" isn't really a commonly used euphemism in the first place. Sure, if you do use it, people will know what you mean, and it is used in German dubs of movies, but people usually say "Sack", "Eier" or maybe "Klöten" (but I've only heard that one in reference to animal balls or by boys trying to be extra crude). Screaming "balls deep" instead of just "deeper!" seems weird to me in the first place.
Reads like a made up story.
The 2 brits are gay and going to a gay club but dont try to determine if the guy they met 2min before is also gay? It would be more likely they would try to pick up the guy for sex, not only going to "the coolest club ever " without hitting on him.
Guy is too oblivious and stays too long.
Clubs like this are very insular and don't like "tourists" or casual curious people.
I mean, it’s almost certainly exaggerated for effect, but everything I’ve read suggests this is fairly “on par” with the reputation of the place…
It is, however, recommended on many “tourist” lists. Which seems odd, all things considered.
Then again, Berlin is known as a party town, so I suppose it fits that “mould”.
From my understanding of it, the guy either stumbled into the BDSM-fag section of the club (see the Wiki page), or on one of the nights where that section takes over the main hall.
I honestly hate to think, though…
I’m also not so skeptical of situations like this occurring.
I’ve regularly met randos in hostels and been convinced to go clubbing with them that night, occasionally with the intention of something sexual (with the women, obviously. I don’t think I’ve ever had a gay male try to get me to go with them), with no prior knowledge. Occasionally that has landed me in some less than ideal places, overseas. So I would honestly believe it.
The only outlier for me is, as you point out, that they weren’t upfront about their proclivities. But who knows, honestly…
You also get sucked into cults, so you're not a shining example of normality here...
Maybe they thought they were going to turn the guy gay.
We need Hitler 2 and we needed him decades ago
That's obviously the most....'generous' interpretation of it's history given the source provided.
And it pulled up red flags in my head alone by the part saying patrons put stickers over their smartphone cameras. So got some other source that could go from on what they are TRULY up to?
Edit: right posted this BEFORE the comment by OP, yeah I now understand where MOST our STDs are made..
I'm just REALLY glad I didn't hear 'children' in ANY of that. Although I have a sick feeling they're just in a backroom for 'VIPs'....
Yeah, if you read the link in my other comment there, it is… A lot. It goes into quite extensive detail of one guy’s experiences in there, and there is some more (politicized) discussion in the comments on the blog post…
Frankly, it sounds like literal torture. Which, given the BDSM theme, is probably the actual idea…
Though in that guy’s case, his companions literally took his phone off him, so it gets even worse than the sticker bit, lol…
Australia’s largest nightclub (Home, in Sydney) also used to (temporarily) take away your phone at the door, but to my knowledge they haven’t done that in decades, and it also doesn’t have the reputation for… Degeneracy that this one does, obviously.
I’ve been to a couple of “gay/fetish clubs” before, with women. They enjoyed it well enough, but I hated it the entire time, lol. So I can’t imagine I would be able to tolerate this one at all…
I'm a bloody abstinence advocate by just thinking of doing a threesome with two (born as and 'unmodified') women by their standards..
I do a policy lifestyle wise of no drugs and never really got the interest to try alcohol, rather try different kinds of food from an hygienically clean establishment. All I see from this using drugs to dilute the moral and guilt functions of the their 'patrons' so they're so far down the degenerate slippery slope, they have a sunken cost of thinking there's no way back to being moral.
Interesting point there - I kind of wonder how that fits into general nihilism and broader just not really giving a shit.
Because I can say from anecdotal experience that after I was diagnosed with a chronic illness, and subsequently got some money saved up, I essentially went on a partying bender for a few months…
Not so much drugs (never really been a fan, either) outside of tobacco products, but heavy drinking, gambling, partying all night, lots of casual sex, etc. And obviously the financial cost that came with that (which I am still paying off!)…
Because I just… Didn’t give a shit, for a while there. Nothing “long term” felt like it really mattered.
Not quite the same, obviously, but I wonder how it fits into the slippery slope thing that you speak of.
My liver (and credit score) thanks me that benders like that were only temporary adventures, at the very least…
It's a HUGE factor, they want you uncaring, nihilistic only gaining 'feeling' from primitive base urges as you're easier to control then. Just look at these degenerates voting patterns..
I was fortunate for having a REALLY strong figure in my grandfather and completely healthy barring eyes and even that's extremely minor. They want to get your hooks on you when you're at your lowest, drag you down the slopes of excess into a hole you can't climb out of. You got LUCKY in going 'wtf am I doing?' and stopped your decent to climb out.
Neitzche warned about absence of religion making this kinda shit easier to do and the past century has shown this.
YOU can't have antibiotics because of the fear of superbugs. They have free license to breed superbugs because the suggestion that maybe keep it in their pants for an hour a day is homophobic.
That is not that strange in some clubs here in Germany.
On one hand it's nice, cause you're there to party and not to make a movie. I had situations (in other clubs) where people were filming the whole set of a dj without doing anything else. That kind of ruins the vibe. Same as retards who have their flash on while filming. That annoys everyone.
Then there's a sense of privacy. Pacha Munich is one of the clubs that I've been to last year who have such a rule. But you occasionally get a well known person there, who obviously also want to just party. Think: Bayern München players.
On the other hand it's a way to sound "cool" and "prestigeous" for the club. Cause "Well known clubs like Berghain do that, so if we do it we are at the same level". Similar shit like intentionally blocking entrance for everyone for 10min so the line in front of the club seems longer.
Personally I just remove the sticker after entering and check the vibe within the club. Pacha you had occasionally some people who filmed for a short moment, so the overall rule there is more like "Hey, don't overdo it, okay? And if you do - you were warned so don't act surprised if you get kicked out" .
I did consider going to an Anyma/Tales of Us event near me. But all of their events look like this in recordings - 70% of the crowd has their phone out and films constantly. No thanks.
This one is absolutely horrifying as well. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/dQ5r8