Majority of Americans now support mass deportation
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You will never persuade someone "I deserve to be dead because of my color". You might persuade him to make "privilege acknowledgements" in order to increase his social standing though.
I simply don't believe that. The majority almost certainly fall into the other category you describe but I absolutely believe that propaganda can be used to completely shatter people's minds. Were you not paying attention for the last four years? Propaganda is used because it works.
I've been paying attention for ten years. Of course propaganda can be used to shatter people's minds. But first and foremost in people's minds is always their self-interest. You may disagree or find their self-interest repellent, I'm sure you do if they find it in their interests to say that "as a white person, I have many privileges".
But while we both obviously cannot look into people's minds, I find the odds of them doing it because of 'empathy' or any other positive spin you could put on it at zero. Propaganda has persuaded them that this is the way to increase their social standing. So this is what they do.
Not after they've been shattered.
This is so straight forward a premise that I'm baffled by your refusal to grasp it.
Almost.
I think you and Antonio are considering different 'levels' of broken people. You are considering the kind of people who become/are truly depressed and mentally unhealthy (like me).
I think u/antonioofvenice is just pointing out that a person merely saying or thinking their race is bad may not immediately an hero if they were handed a gun after saying so. They still need to be 'convinced' of the solution to the white problem.
Dogs, cockroaches, every living being on the planet and even some non-living beings like states, are driven by the desire to survive, and by self-interest.
You don't see white people who claim to believe that 'whites are bad' throw themselves off bridges to rid the world of white people. That's because they claim to believe that other white people are bad, and in actuality they're neutral on the issue, and are just saying things that is in their self-interest.
In order to support this claim and also refute what you’re trying to refute, you’ll need to explain someone choosing to commit suicide, and do so in a way that doesn’t also open the door for hostile propagandists convincing many people to engage in suicidal behavior.
I think that is fairly easy. I'm not sure there are many people who would argue that most suicides are the result of 'propaganda'.
Never say never, a guy lit himself on fire in protest just this month.
Two people have set themselves on fire recently. One was anti-establishment (both anti-Trump and anti-Biden). One was against the Israeli invasion of Gaza.
Dude, I fucking lived that for most of my teenage years and young adult life, so you can fuck off with that nonsense.
I, a poor but smart kid, was convinced that I shouldn't apply for scholarships because they'd help other people more.... as most of those scholarships went to already well-off students.
He was never the target of the weapons grade propaganda cannons the way you or I were. Not having experienced it he can't fathom how it could be. We should probably avoid asking him about breakfast too.
That is sad but fascinating. Can you give a little bit more explanation and background? How did you come to hold that belief?