We've gone so far that people don't even recognize that incel is an abbreviation for "involuntary celibate."
You can't be an incel if you are deliberately rejecting temptation and sin. And if you aren't doing that, then there is no morality and purity at play, just a lonely man failing in a terrible world.
I think that the term "volcel" exists for men who just aren't interested for whatever reason. Some people think they are incels who have given up, but the term sounds like it's meant to be closer to MGTOW in spirit.
It was always meant to separate out men who are not pursuing sex for reasons beyond the norm. Such as those with vows of chastity, like a priest. It rarely had an legitimate use because those types are rare to begin with and wouldn't be in those circles if they were.
Anyone who self-identifies as a volcel is almost entirely coping and couldn't pull pussy if he tried anyway, making him an incel with extra steps.
I do think some people who dislike MGTOW see them as the same as how you see those who call themselves volcels. That being said, I don't deny there are some men (including on this site) who just aren't interested in relationships for more understandable reasons.
I think that is basically what MGTOW is and has always been, incels trying to larp as volcels. Even if your reasons are logical and reasonable, if you couldn't if you tried then it ceases to be voluntary.
I've spoken to many, as I used to spend a lot of time in the "manosphere," and the vast majority were simply incels trying to dress up themselves with a better suit. And granted, most of them were doing great things and were leagues better than just a regular incel in terms of capability and contentment, but definitionally they were still as they were.
The only exception was the large contingent of divorced men, who probably could get women if they tried but were too damaged by their trauma and wanted to be out. And I don't blame them.
I can see that a lot of these men might just be trying to come to terms with the fact that they've got no chance of winning the dating game, even if I assume that (even on this site) on this site there are probably a good few men who have come to the conclusion that a marriage will more likely than not make their life worse regardless of their own status, whether that is sour grapes thinking or not. I think the term "Incel" when used as it commonly is refers to a man that is still trying but isn't succeeding due to being unaware of his own failures as a person, hence why it is often thought to be closely related to/synonymous with the white knight, simp and "I'm such a nice guy" archetypes.
And yeah, if you had a bad relationship the first time, it's understandable someone would not want to try again.
Easy to see how he would get confused on the matter, the priestly vow of celibacy is supposed to be a good thing despite allowing homos to take over the whole system.
If you don't believe me, no less of an authority than Pope Benedict XVI wrote about this in a book he only allowed to be published posthumously. Now what kind of potential backlash could intimidate the actual pope?
I assume by putting our economy in this limbo state of permanent recession that's kept afloat by financial wizardry. But it can only go on for so long.
Parasocial relationships via Twitch and Onlyfans is probably more of a culprit here. Terminal hypergamy and internet dating reach, cockblocking dudes who would have normally had a chance with a girl in their town as a secondary reason. Throw in less dudes than ever going to college, where lots of fucking used to happen.
So many "TradCaths" are just atheist edgelords who think it's based, it's a safe edgy position for terminal contrarians because "TradCath" allows you to have both radical right-wing and radical left-wing positions simultaneously while speaking from an intellectual tradition which has a lot of clout despite the best efforts by Prots and Jews to delegitimize Catholicism.
Ftr I'm agnostic, though definitely not a materialist. I have a lot of respect for Catholicism and I'm disgusted by anyone who LARPs as a member of a religion that they don't actually believe in. That shit is the same kind of postmodern brainrot that makes lefties terminally incapable of understanding that a religion is more than just aesthetics, hence why they don't get that Islam is an actual belief-system and not just some dank spicy rituals that look cool.
Or at least they won't get that until a Sharia patrol beats their ass (or worse) for being a slut or a fag.
So many "TradCaths" are just atheist edgelords who think it's based, it's a safe edgy position for terminal contrarians because "TradCath" allows you to have both radical right-wing and radical left-wing positions simultaneously while speaking from an intellectual tradition which has a lot of clout despite the best efforts by Prots and Jews to delegitimize Catholicism.
Not so much sexual promiscuity(women have no problem fucking Chad, whereas men get left out in the cold), as because economic downturn means less opportunity for access to sexual relief.
A man needs to be successful in life in order to have a relationship, and when you take that away...
That and holy shit look at the women today they're godawful. Sorry ladies, but fix your shit already
As time goes on I think this attitude is less and less helpful. Not because the sentiment is undeserved, but because women are incapable of fixing their own shit.
It's going to ultimately come down to men enforcing the good behavior of women until that becomes the social norm at which point women's herd instincts will takeover the maintenance of the shift in norms by being the conformists they are. The problem is getting enough men on board with such a project and not getting utterly steamrolled by the government. I think that's the reason that there are so many people romanticizing a civilizational collapse: it represents an opportunity to impose a new ruleset without the threat of the government obliterating the individual which in turn would allow others to join in to establish that new norm.
We've gone so far that people don't even recognize that incel is an abbreviation for "involuntary celibate."
You can't be an incel if you are deliberately rejecting temptation and sin. And if you aren't doing that, then there is no morality and purity at play, just a lonely man failing in a terrible world.
At this point there are more fakecels than incels, there's even such a thing as "incel groupies."
Then again you can be "asexual" while liking sex, logical coherence left the chat a long time ago.
I think that the term "volcel" exists for men who just aren't interested for whatever reason. Some people think they are incels who have given up, but the term sounds like it's meant to be closer to MGTOW in spirit.
It was always meant to separate out men who are not pursuing sex for reasons beyond the norm. Such as those with vows of chastity, like a priest. It rarely had an legitimate use because those types are rare to begin with and wouldn't be in those circles if they were.
Anyone who self-identifies as a volcel is almost entirely coping and couldn't pull pussy if he tried anyway, making him an incel with extra steps.
I do think some people who dislike MGTOW see them as the same as how you see those who call themselves volcels. That being said, I don't deny there are some men (including on this site) who just aren't interested in relationships for more understandable reasons.
I think that is basically what MGTOW is and has always been, incels trying to larp as volcels. Even if your reasons are logical and reasonable, if you couldn't if you tried then it ceases to be voluntary.
I've spoken to many, as I used to spend a lot of time in the "manosphere," and the vast majority were simply incels trying to dress up themselves with a better suit. And granted, most of them were doing great things and were leagues better than just a regular incel in terms of capability and contentment, but definitionally they were still as they were.
The only exception was the large contingent of divorced men, who probably could get women if they tried but were too damaged by their trauma and wanted to be out. And I don't blame them.
I can see that a lot of these men might just be trying to come to terms with the fact that they've got no chance of winning the dating game, even if I assume that (even on this site) on this site there are probably a good few men who have come to the conclusion that a marriage will more likely than not make their life worse regardless of their own status, whether that is sour grapes thinking or not. I think the term "Incel" when used as it commonly is refers to a man that is still trying but isn't succeeding due to being unaware of his own failures as a person, hence why it is often thought to be closely related to/synonymous with the white knight, simp and "I'm such a nice guy" archetypes.
And yeah, if you had a bad relationship the first time, it's understandable someone would not want to try again.
Easy to see how he would get confused on the matter, the priestly vow of celibacy is supposed to be a good thing despite allowing homos to take over the whole system.
If you don't believe me, no less of an authority than Pope Benedict XVI wrote about this in a book he only allowed to be published posthumously. Now what kind of potential backlash could intimidate the actual pope?
What's TARP?
And why would it increase male virginity?
I assume by putting our economy in this limbo state of permanent recession that's kept afloat by financial wizardry. But it can only go on for so long.
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Parasocial relationships via Twitch and Onlyfans is probably more of a culprit here. Terminal hypergamy and internet dating reach, cockblocking dudes who would have normally had a chance with a girl in their town as a secondary reason. Throw in less dudes than ever going to college, where lots of fucking used to happen.
There's probably a feedback loop there now but Twitch and Onlyfans thots were capitalizing on an existing problem.
So many "TradCaths" are just atheist edgelords who think it's based, it's a safe edgy position for terminal contrarians because "TradCath" allows you to have both radical right-wing and radical left-wing positions simultaneously while speaking from an intellectual tradition which has a lot of clout despite the best efforts by Prots and Jews to delegitimize Catholicism.
Ftr I'm agnostic, though definitely not a materialist. I have a lot of respect for Catholicism and I'm disgusted by anyone who LARPs as a member of a religion that they don't actually believe in. That shit is the same kind of postmodern brainrot that makes lefties terminally incapable of understanding that a religion is more than just aesthetics, hence why they don't get that Islam is an actual belief-system and not just some dank spicy rituals that look cool.
Or at least they won't get that until a Sharia patrol beats their ass (or worse) for being a slut or a fag.
Hmm how do you know this?
So yet another case of someone incorrectly using a term incorrectly, as this is neither "based" or anything to do with chastity.
Why are they bringing up TARP? Is their an implication that it caused less sexual promiscuity?
Not so much sexual promiscuity(women have no problem fucking Chad, whereas men get left out in the cold), as because economic downturn means less opportunity for access to sexual relief.
A man needs to be successful in life in order to have a relationship, and when you take that away...
No time no money everything's a metoo everything else is depressingly meaningless.
That and holy shit look at the women today they're godawful. Sorry ladies, but fix your shit already
As time goes on I think this attitude is less and less helpful. Not because the sentiment is undeserved, but because women are incapable of fixing their own shit.
It's going to ultimately come down to men enforcing the good behavior of women until that becomes the social norm at which point women's herd instincts will takeover the maintenance of the shift in norms by being the conformists they are. The problem is getting enough men on board with such a project and not getting utterly steamrolled by the government. I think that's the reason that there are so many people romanticizing a civilizational collapse: it represents an opportunity to impose a new ruleset without the threat of the government obliterating the individual which in turn would allow others to join in to establish that new norm.
I'll allow it
Hmmmm
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In fairness, there's been a massive uptick in men under 30 who can't define "female." Maybe they're struggling with the question. /s