In this video https://youtu.be/TSN4GJ0cjNY you have someone famous within the religious community, talking about child murder. i swear this post has a point. the speaker glosses over why debating on why god kills children is a bad thing. because if god commands it, it must be ok. and since many people here are evangelical christians/defender of the bible. if you saw a sign or even met a "prophet" from god. telling you to do something like, kill children... would you do it? also.
While this post may seem to target christians. this is more so a general problem with religion ingeneral. because the talmud, the qurran, and other religious holy books, kinda spout the same thing. and i know some of you will bring up judiasm, but i got ya covered. i am fully aware within the talmud, it says anyone who isn't jewish is like... a fucking animal or something. however...
If i look up the new, and old testements. i can find verses in either one. saying people of different religions, and people who are not religious, are animals, and will not go to heaven. and you'll see similar shit in other religions as well. condemning people of different religions. or not being religious at all.
So if your gonna come at me with me soft caping the jews or whatever. first critique your own damn holy book. and if you can't. shut the fuck up about the jews and the muslims, or the other religions. because, guess what! you're not any better, or any worse, than the other religions.
He thinks this is a profound own. But really it's just the, "would you kill baby Hitler" dressed up in his retardness.
I wouldn’t. I would tell him to actually do the holocaust because he is going to get blamed for it anyway and it would solve a lot of the problems post WW2.
They would believe their hands were clean. And do you know why?
fucking crazy man.
if you use the talmud to hate jews. then yes, this is an own.
The Talmud and Old Testament are not the same thing. Besides I didn't say anything about The Talmud so your point isn't germane.
The links i provided cover the old and new testaments. if you don't feel like going through all of them, that's on you.
You are confused.
i am not.
> Be atheist
> Criticize religion for killing children
> Cheer on the killing of millions of children (the unborn) so their mothers can work their email job without interruption.
It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.
Hello. i'm not left leaning or right leaning. i'm A political... for the fucking umpteenth time! i don't champion for abortion actually. now don't get me wrong, i do think women should have the right to choose! however... if the kid is like 6 months old... or later, i think the mother should carry the child to term... yeah, my stance on abortion is weird. but i'm not like for mothers killing 2nd to 3rd term fetuses.
So your claim to fame here is interesting. you know the bible has killed a fuck ton of children. yet you defend it by saying it's perfect in everyway, and should set the moral standards for any nation... yet, those same standards had to be fought against. and later struck down from the legal system, for being (no pun intended here) god fucking awful. so... what was your point here again?
Got it: you believe it's acceptable to slaughter children for any reason (or no reason) provided they're young enough, but instead of "championing" it maybe you feel a little bit bad when it happens.
So if I understand correctly, the primary moral innovation modernity has discovered with regard to child slaughter is "we still do it, but now some of us feel a little bit bad about doing it while still defending the practice".
If I had a point other than simple mockery it would be "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".
I have never said that. ironically your bible codons all of that. i don't actually. so i don't know where this is coming from.
Ah i see now. you mean in relation to abortion. well, let me give you a comparison friend. which sounds worse to you. a child being dashed against a rock. pregnant women being stabbed in the stomach and killed. and whole ass children being slaughtered for some holy war.
or
A mother taking a pill preventing her from getting an abortion. or getting an abortion early enough. to where the child isn't fully formed yet.
Would you chop a child's dick off if an expert told you to?
Dude, i don't even have my dick circumcised. why the hell would i do that? that's like, totally a religious thing.
Remember, there's a block button that you can use to block this guy's posts
Let's do a little thought experiment.
Say there were 50 ableistSLs and Bluestorms. You block them. Then you make a post. What would the board look like to someone either not logged in or a new account, or just someone who just hasn't blocked them?
The board would have reams of furfaggotry, pedo apologia, and anti-white hatred, and you would then be associated with that. Blocking is not enough.
nothing stopping you from blocking me. or are you to scared of me?
I don't like to block, it's important to get an unobstructed view of reality. Like just how retarded some of the people out in the wild are.
good man.
then feel free to use it faggot.
Do you hate commies becasue of what happened during Mao's revolution, khmer Rogue or the Bolshevik revolution, or would you still justify then because they are consequentialists and they technically didn't call for violence?
Would you do it if it was abortion instead? Because I feel at that point you would be against it because of your atheist brainrot and religion saying life begins at conception is Bad or something
To answer your question, no, people aren't as autistic as you to think if a prophet told them to kill children they'd do it. Most christians are aware of the "questionable" parts of the book, yet they decide to take the best of it and do as Christ would want them to,which ultimately is act out of kindness and justice. You aren't saying anything new nor presenting some revolutionary idea.
But if you want a secular reason, if you truly are and atheist, you are blaming god on men actions. If you truly believe that by removíng religion man would stop killing man you are so detached from reality no wonder you think someone here would genuinely give a crap about you.
Or is it that you are unable to grasp the concept of cause and effect so god becomes a convenient scapegoat in order to avoid personal responsibility? Go take revenge on the sea for killing so many sailors or something.
You are an over-invested troll or a retard, either way you are deserving of pity, but you won't listen and keep doing what you do because, well, only you know. So, the only thing I can tell you is that I hope you at least have fun posting these for as long as you do
Hate to sound like a centralist here, but... either commies or capitalists, are just both sides of the same coin. either one of em are fine. until they start getting radical. so i don't know what your point is here jack.
Broad question. mind narrowing it down?
Depends. on far along the child is. i don't like it when get abortions when the child is like 6 months old or whatever. that's too old. the topic on abortion is complicated.
This question is simple. within the video a prominent religion person in the christian community avoided answering why is god killing children a good thing? and proceeded to i guess answer? that it's god, and if he commanded anyone of us to kill children, then it's good. and people will believe in him, who are religious. monkey see, monkey do. i'm not saying you agree with him, just want your thought on the matter.
Care to explain why that doesn't apply to religion?
Never heard of the guy
it does. religion, when not radicalized is harmless. but when weaponized.... it's pretty fucking dangerous.
Fair enough. apparently, he's popular in the christian apologetic circles.
There is no such thing as jews, funny enough. The Covenant was fulfilled when Christ resurrected. Those called "jews" since are the synagogue of Satan, the descendants of the Pharisees, cursed by God.
your lucky i don't know alot about talk. but this seems anti semeitic in nature. proving my point religious people are bigoted towards other religions.
"luck' is not why you're stupid.
I haven't. At any point. Ever.
That would be god testing ME to not immediately sucker punch them.
Remember, I'm Quaker. Part of our theology is that there is a tiny bit of god in everyone. EVERYONE. God CAN speak through anyone at any time. The impetus is on the listener to discern what is being heard.
"But how am I to know the good side from the bad?" -Luke Skywalker
"YOU WILL KNOW!" -Yoda (boiling quakerism down to its most fundamental)
Good point. still, if someone can't tell the difference. and, let's ay goes on a shooting spree. because they thought they heard the voice of god. who do we blame for that? the person? or god?
No one. To understand THIS you need to be familiar with Schopenhauer. When you say "blame" what you're really doing is conflating "justice" with "revenge". REVENGE is morally indefensible, it's a continuation of Cain's bloody cycle.
Justice is NOT about righting some cosmic scale that is set wrong by harmful acts.
The morally defensible objective of justice is to make moral laws as tangible and immutable as natural laws. The prohibition of murder should be as inexorable as gravity.
The person who kills, must die. Not for the sake of the dead but for the sake of the living who will see it done and know that for cause there is effect.
Justice is deterrence, not revenge.
On this there is one caveat that departs from liberalism, and that is that IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THE CONDEMNED TO ACTUALLY BE GUILTY. Only that they are perceived as guilty by the community and that justice is done swiftly and known to all.
Actually the WORST possible situation is not the conviction of the innocent, but rather the exoneration of someone everyone "knows" is guilty. When OJ Simpson was ruled innocent, it made the state look impotent and the law toothless. Blackstone's formulation is an insidious poison utterly assured to destroy the legitimacy of every Caesar who decides to adopt it.
If i wanna kill you. and use the voice of god, as excuse. does that make me morally in the wrong?
Do you succeed in bringing about god's kingdom on earth?
Consider it like this: The Muslims believe that there will be peace when when there are no non-believers.
Are they wrong? Rather, if they succeed, were they right?
God's will is only revealed retroactively.
When you embark on a quest in the name of god, whether or not you were righteous hinges on whether or not your actions bring about the world condition your god desires.
To put it another way... God is always on the side of the victors. Or as they put it in the film: "His god... is god."
I've seen enough to know that the atheists' pure reason, and the environmentalists' gaia are false. But as to which branch of the God of Abraham is true (if any)... that is still an open question.
If a tranny goes on a shooting spree because MSM told them troons are literally being genocided who do we blame?
That happened in Nashville. Were the children deserving of it because they went to a Christian school?
This claim could work... if you could compare correctly. this is just once again bad faith. the news, and god, are 2 different things. so before i can answer your bad faith question. you must first answer mine... of which you did not.
Going by the proof i have accumulated. would it not be bad, for me to hate christianity? or judiasm? or the muslim religion? in all of those religions i am persecuted for not believing. but even if i did believe. i'd be persecuted for believing in the wrong god. so let's say i did hate christians... so what? the reason why you guys hate jews. is because their holy book calls you goyoms, or whatever. so why can't i hate christianity, for literally wishing death upon me. for being a non-believer?
You could try not deserving death? It's not hard to not be evil.
i deserve death for being an atheist, and or being apart of a non-christian religion... yeah, this is why i hate religion. so hateful and evil.
Also for being a disgusting pervert, not just a godless blasphemer and all around reprobate.
Yeah but the godless part is why i'm gonna die though.
You are free to your views. I certainly don’t hate you and have prayed for you on a number of occasions. Free will means you can hate Christians or Christianity all you want.
Oh shut the fuck up. when those old nazi's say shit about the jews you do nothing. when i bring up this shit, you say you don't hate me... well, genius. what if a christian wanted to do that to me? what grounds do i have, as an atheist to oppose that? i can't oppose a christians view of homosexuals. because i'd be encroaching on their religion. so how is this any different? if some christian dick head used the bible. to persecute or wanted to kill me? sure, you won't do it. but your holy book allows it. and that's my problem here. oh wait, i can't talk shit about how evil the bible is. because if i do. i hate all christians. but if people here wanna say all jews are evil then it's perfectly fine, so sorry i forgot about that.
I don’t hate Jews, but what do you want me to say? Dont hate people? You choose to argue with everyone. I’ve done my time doing that.
Also like I said I’m not listening to black ppl half my age lecture me on race. You haven’t experienced anything to the level of past generations and yet you act like such a victim. I’ll tell you what my mother told me when I was a dumb teen acting like some expert on race. “shut up because you don’t know what you are talking about”. If the worst thing I’ve experienced is being called racist or mean names online then so be it.
I mean Jesus doesn’t allow killing those who disagree. I know people have twisted the Bible. I guess I’ll just ignore your posts from now on
Why do you bother commenting dude. i complain because i don't like ism. i complained on youtube. and i'll complain here. nothing changed. feel free to move on with your life. i'll still be here, wasting away until death.
I mean I was here first but yes, ignoring your posts is easier. Enjoy your life bravely fighting racism online
Oh look at you mr important, i didn't say leave the forum, all i said was leave me alone.
Happy to do so. I’m nobody important. You remind me of some of my whiny cousins.
Would it be good, tho? What do you ultimately win by shunning others? Other than some distorted sense of self-satisfaction
Unless you live in a shithole like South Africa or Indonesia you aren't forced to do shit
You are being dramatic. Nobody will kill you for being a non-believer, and if you don't believe in salvation there's really no problem
i don't know. you guys use the talmud to hate jews. so you ask me.
missing the point here, again! you fuck faces use the talmud and "jewish influence" to hate and criticize... well, not even criticize, but to demonize the jews. and their roles in positions of power. using the talmud. i'm just playing by you guy's play book. and in predictable fashion... you're bringing up the nuance card, to defend yourself. but when i do the same for the jews, i'm the subversive asshole. get the fuck outta here you hypocritical dick head.
You're so full of shit, diarrhea is leaking from your ears! every nazi here uses the talmud to freak out about the jews wanting to kill all white people or something. i do the same, and i'm freaking out? this is why your here on this site! you lack self-awareness. bigoted has fuck! and even with evidence... you still think your religion is better than the judiasm. ya know. i would've had more respect for you, if you just told me to die, then trying your hardest. to look like a balanced person.
Whataboutism isn't an argument
Why? Because it's easier to dismiss me as another dang dirty nahtze than confront the uncomfortable truth that maybe there is something wrong with you after all, even if you do it to epically troll some strangers on the internet behind several layers of irony and detachement?
As I said, hope you at least have fun posting these and getting a reaction out of people, because it looks like you'll be doing this for a long time
depends. if you disagree with stuff in the talmud, i have no beef with you. if you use the talmud and or. inherently jewish people, then we have a problem.
Kinda? because many users here hate the jews. because of what's said in the talmud. i have provided proof, in the Old and new testaments. that all of the stuff you hate the jews for. the bible also condones. but you want special treatment for your holybook. but wish to condemn others. which doesn't make you worse. but! puts you on pair with the jews you don't like. also funny, that you try to make up a claim, i never said. i said you guys were no different than in the jews... in my own damn post. here, i'll even quote myself.
And even in my prior response to you. there is no whataboutism there. i'm simply pointing out how you guys use a book to hate a bunch of people... back on you. that's not whataboutism, that's a comparison. but leave it to a bad faith actor to not only misrepresent my point. but to make it look like i'm demonizing you, for your religion. when in reality, that's what you lot have been doing to other religions here.
What do you think about Iran attacking tel aviv, do you lose sleep about that?
You know what's the sad thing? You must think you are a clever with all those misdirections where everyone can see through your shit here. As I said, even if you are a troll you should just leave this be, and doing it to this extend seems pathological even if you try to convince yourself it's ironical.
Have fun, I guess. You can't never lose the game if you set the rules yourself
See through what? i told you what i believed in. and countered you when you and your lot use a book to hate people by. all i ever did with the bible, was poke fun of it. or disagree with it. and when i ask for context on something i do not know. showing you my hand. you still assume i'm fucking with you. good luck in life bro.
I don't keep up with current affairs. could you tell me more about it?
This is why I say you deserve pity. You set your own game and still the only way you can win is by acting like an idiot. Well, eat your heart out
Go for it. Just as long as you hate them proportional to the actions of their adhereants. One disagrees with you and might say some unpleasant things about you, one beheads anyone who disagrees with them, and the other will undermine and destroy your society regardless of what you agree with.
Even if you're at odds with religiosity in general, try to allocate your disdain as reality calls for it.
wow! how nuanced. to bad you can't apply that to the jews. and of course, i won't use this to hate christians. however, this is rhetoric you, and your nazi friends use to hate jews. so keeping it a buck fifthy. what goes around, comes around.