This is an amazing article. It has all the dodges and weasel words, as well as further proves how fucking useless modern Science™ is. Peer review and consensus my ass.
An uproar broke out on social media this week...
Strong start, science.org, you fucking weirdos.
...Critics said a key figure, which depicts patterns of relatedness among nearly 250,000 study volunteers whose genomes were sequenced, could mislead some readers into thinking the data support the idea that humans fall into distinct races.
Paraphrasing: "Whiners said this" and "This study may convince people race is real."
...The leader of the challenged All of Us study, funded by the National Institutes of Health, acknowledged in a statement that “many excellent points have been raised” about how researchers communicated their results. But they have no plans to revise the figure. “The feedback highlights how quickly this field of research is evolving, as well as its complexity,” geneticist and All of Us CEO Josh Denny said in the statement.
Has anyone brought up any, uh, scientific concerns? And people being concerned about bullshit doesn't prove the field is evolving quickly, it proves everyone is retarded.
The study...was designed to address concerns that existing genomic data sets are primarily composed of data from people of European descent. All of Us, however, has prioritized recruiting Black people, Latinos, and others with normally underrepresented backgrounds.
Uhm. They specifically went out of their way to target people based on specific racial characteristics, because they allegedly weren't being represented by this other group with different racial characteristics, then got mad when it showed there were differences. I guess.
...Ewan Birney, director of the European Bioinformatics Institute...expressed concern that “it can easily be read as ‘race is pretty real, and associated with genetics’ which is … not a good interpretation.” Stanford University geneticist Jonathan Pritchard expressed a similar concern. “I’m not a UMAP hater in all settings, but I think it’s misleading and potentially harmful for this specific problem,” he wrote on X, adding that it could be “misinterpreted by the public.”
Uhm. They specifically went out of their way to target people based on specific racial characteristics, because they allegedly weren't being represented by this other group with different racial characteristics, then got mad when it showed there were differences. I guess.
This is one of the weird things in genetics right now. Non-Whites (with some exception of Asians) do not want to participate in genetic studies. This has lead to a large movement to increase their representation in these studies. However, if you get more representation of these groups then you notice differences, which is double plus ungood in current year. So researchers have to get data from these groups, then have to figure out what to do about the politically incorrect data they receive.
My guess is most want money or compensation and don’t care about the educational purpose behind it. Whereas white people have more curiosity about that.
For example, outside of Asians and whites, blacks largely have ancestry in Africa, Hispanics in South America, Indians in India, etc. so no real need to dig deep into genome, whereas average white people have genetic ancestry such as German, Russian, Dutch, French, Spanish, Welsh, etc.
I agree with AgilePickle1123 about the most likely cause. Other reasons that have been put forward include language barriers, distrust of science/medicine, and some claim that they actually do want to participate but it is "white supremacy" keeping them out of these studies
If race is real, then that means humans aren't immune to evolutionary divergences and might even be subject to eugenical consequences.
As you can imagine, this would be devastating to the idea that sleeping with niggers and arabs is acceptable as their violent thuggish nature would be passed on to the children and can't just be Tabula Rasa'd out by "love and acceptance."
This is harmful to both women and the PoCs, so every single group has vested interest in making sure you never ever let such thoughts happen.
Not only is race an inescapable reality, but any anthropologist worth the title can tell your exact racial makeup down to several generations just from your bones.
Libs: "Race is just a skin color, we're all the same inside!"
meanwhile, DNA:
The neat thing this shows, is that Hispanics are, in fact, not white. On the chart they are clearly demarcated as two separate races, one on the Negro "S" section and another in an Iberian/Mediterranean section.
It pertains to more than race, but it's actually a rising field of medicine to use your DNA to better understand and customize what treatments will work best for you. Drugs that might work well for one person might not work as well as another person, etc.
Michael Eisen [called for a retraction] warning that it “features a scientifically invalid representation of genetic diversity and race that is going to feature in racist literature for decades.”
Not incorrect. Invalid, by which they mean it doesn't validate their beliefs.
The graph in the paper is actually amazing in showing that white Europeans, the orange group, have the most genetic variety by far and Asians, the red groups on the right, the least. This totally jibes with things like hair and eye color, faces, height, etc.
The gray in the lower right is colored Hispanic/Latino in the paper (American Indian wasn't a race option), and you can see how it has connections to white Europeans and east Asians, which makes sense from the land bridge going away they'd evolve separately from east Asians and conquistadors and such adding European connection. The long squiggle lower left probably from Africa never getting civilization, so lots of distinct tribes that get some mating from a few that go on journeys and join other tribes, but most generally staying put in one area.
For me the only surprise is that Indians/Pakis/etc (the upper red group) have very little genetic diversity. I would have expected more.
edit: the paper used a slightly different shade of cyan for Hispanic ethnicity and American, both gray areas are definitely Hispanic.
It could be arranged marriages / marrying your cousin, or having roads and trade for a long time, or maybe Genghis Khan decimating the population. Hard to say.
Thanks for the correction. I heard he almost got to Europe and never really looked at his path so just thought he went everywhere, but those mountains really protected south asia.
I mean.. if humans never migrated out of africa. We would all be living in the stone age still. Never have agriculture, metallurgy, science, tech, medicine. We'd be lucky to advance more than a typical troop of chimpanzees or gorillas. Might be lucky to live in mud huts.
Under ethnicities, "White" is basically a mix of European, West Asian and South Asian (WTF?); Hispanic is European and American (Native), as expected, with West Asian (???); Black has a larger than expected European component.
I believe those categories are self reported, which was part of the complaint. In a saner world, it would be that simple, but they have to go and make a 'race isn't real' argument, when it clearly is.
I saw this linked on the side bar of this "Scientists are worthless" thread, and had to post.
This is an amazing article. It has all the dodges and weasel words, as well as further proves how fucking useless modern Science™ is. Peer review and consensus my ass.
Strong start, science.org, you fucking weirdos.
Paraphrasing: "Whiners said this" and "This study may convince people race is real."
The usual...
Has anyone brought up any, uh, scientific concerns? And people being concerned about bullshit doesn't prove the field is evolving quickly, it proves everyone is retarded.
Uhm. They specifically went out of their way to target people based on specific racial characteristics, because they allegedly weren't being represented by this other group with different racial characteristics, then got mad when it showed there were differences. I guess.
Yeah, sure, whatever.
This is one of the weird things in genetics right now. Non-Whites (with some exception of Asians) do not want to participate in genetic studies. This has lead to a large movement to increase their representation in these studies. However, if you get more representation of these groups then you notice differences, which is double plus ungood in current year. So researchers have to get data from these groups, then have to figure out what to do about the politically incorrect data they receive.
Why is that?
My guess is most want money or compensation and don’t care about the educational purpose behind it. Whereas white people have more curiosity about that.
For example, outside of Asians and whites, blacks largely have ancestry in Africa, Hispanics in South America, Indians in India, etc. so no real need to dig deep into genome, whereas average white people have genetic ancestry such as German, Russian, Dutch, French, Spanish, Welsh, etc.
I agree with AgilePickle1123 about the most likely cause. Other reasons that have been put forward include language barriers, distrust of science/medicine, and some claim that they actually do want to participate but it is "white supremacy" keeping them out of these studies
If race is real, then that means humans aren't immune to evolutionary divergences and might even be subject to eugenical consequences.
As you can imagine, this would be devastating to the idea that sleeping with niggers and arabs is acceptable as their violent thuggish nature would be passed on to the children and can't just be Tabula Rasa'd out by "love and acceptance."
This is harmful to both women and the PoCs, so every single group has vested interest in making sure you never ever let such thoughts happen.
Not only is race an inescapable reality, but any anthropologist worth the title can tell your exact racial makeup down to several generations just from your bones.
Soyence: Race is only skin deep.
Me: puts on blackface
Soyence: Wait...
Libs: "Race is just a skin color, we're all the same inside!"
meanwhile, DNA:
The neat thing this shows, is that Hispanics are, in fact, not white. On the chart they are clearly demarcated as two separate races, one on the Negro "S" section and another in an Iberian/Mediterranean section.
It pertains to more than race, but it's actually a rising field of medicine to use your DNA to better understand and customize what treatments will work best for you. Drugs that might work well for one person might not work as well as another person, etc.
Not incorrect. Invalid, by which they mean it doesn't validate their beliefs.
The graph in the paper is actually amazing in showing that white Europeans, the orange group, have the most genetic variety by far and Asians, the red groups on the right, the least. This totally jibes with things like hair and eye color, faces, height, etc.
The gray in the lower right is colored Hispanic/Latino in the paper (American Indian wasn't a race option), and you can see how it has connections to white Europeans and east Asians, which makes sense from the land bridge going away they'd evolve separately from east Asians and conquistadors and such adding European connection. The long squiggle lower left probably from Africa never getting civilization, so lots of distinct tribes that get some mating from a few that go on journeys and join other tribes, but most generally staying put in one area.
For me the only surprise is that Indians/Pakis/etc (the upper red group) have very little genetic diversity. I would have expected more.
edit: the paper used a slightly different shade of cyan for Hispanic ethnicity and American, both gray areas are definitely Hispanic.
Pakis intermarry a lot.
It could be arranged marriages / marrying your cousin, or having roads and trade for a long time, or maybe Genghis Khan decimating the population. Hard to say.
Thanks for the correction. I heard he almost got to Europe and never really looked at his path so just thought he went everywhere, but those mountains really protected south asia.
So according to the usual idiots, race is simultaneously not real while also being the most important, defining characteristic about a person.
I mean.. if humans never migrated out of africa. We would all be living in the stone age still. Never have agriculture, metallurgy, science, tech, medicine. We'd be lucky to advance more than a typical troop of chimpanzees or gorillas. Might be lucky to live in mud huts.
Africa is just a shit hole...
Well, depends. If the separate Genesis theory is correct, Neanderthal, Cro-Magnon and Denisovan people may have come into being outside Africa.
ai can tell a black skull from a white one, so clearly we're missing something.
This feels odd though.
Under ethnicities, "White" is basically a mix of European, West Asian and South Asian (WTF?); Hispanic is European and American (Native), as expected, with West Asian (???); Black has a larger than expected European component.
I believe those categories are self reported, which was part of the complaint. In a saner world, it would be that simple, but they have to go and make a 'race isn't real' argument, when it clearly is.