Before anyone gets too excited about this because "won't someone please think of the children", remember that government policies never stop where they end. Governments want to be able to track everything single thing you do and "let us spy on you because of DUH CHILDREN" is always their first go-to excuse.
...remember that government policies never stop where they end. Governments want to be able to track everything single thing they do and "let us spy on you because of DUH CHILDREN" is always their first go-to excuse.
Thank you. I thought I was going to have to jump on this and shit talk government age verification, because there are some people here who do let their emotions get the best of them on this issue.
I don't get how anyone can defend it. They'll say things like 'oh, it doesn't affect you, you're not a child.' Wrong. This law gives the government the right to demand identification from you, an adult, before you're allowed to access a website. It's utterly terrifying. Obviously children shouldn't be watching porn, but this is not the way to do it.
My go to example is, they can move it pretty easily to any other currently or future age-gated activity. Guns being a big one. Conceivably, this could slide pretty quickly to stopping people from accessing online gun/militia content. Considering they're trying to push the purchase age up, too, if they ever succeeded, they'd have some level of precedent from stopping legal adults from accessing 2A content.
Handing even more power to the government in regard to the internet is an incredibly retarded idea.
Just having the law creates opportunities for blackmail. Even if you've never visited the porn site, the fact that they are legally required to have a list of everyone who visits makes your addition to that list more credible.
With the assumption as always being that those children are now 100% protected from whatever evil they are trying to banish, and not themselves only slightly inconvenienced in their pursuit of it.
Then maybe the porn sites should have spent some of their money coming up with a more robust solution than asking "are you over 18" with unlimited chances to pick the "correct' answer.
And while I certainly take advantage of the fact things are as lax as they are, I also know I can't even buy an R-rated (possibly even PG-13) movie from the bargain bin at Walmart without an ID check; and that discrepancy always strikes me as a bit absurd.
Yeah, but you can enter Walmart, you can pick up and look at the R-rated movie cases, etc.
The internet is its own beast, and it's hard to do an exact analogy. For starters, you're not buying porn, you're viewing it. There's no explicit transaction, and the government is now trying to patrol and control who can even enter the site. Which again, would be fine in theory, if I trusted the government. But they've shown time and again they want to control everything, perhaps especially the internet.
Barring someone from one site can easily snowball into the people in charge controlling access to all sites. If we set the precedent that the government can ask you for your ID to access a website, the slope isn't so much slippery, as just a cliff. It's a short step to not only all manner of thought policing, but also the end of internet anonymity.
I believe the law relates to making it available to minors for viewing, not just selling. Which is why on occasion leftist teachers get charged with showing porn to their students.
But even putting that aside for the moment, what's the R&D budget for these sites for implementing anonymous "proof of age" systems? Are they funding grad students/PhD candidates in this area? Offering grants? Are they interested in solving this problem at all, or are they simply using "it's impossible" as an excuse and counting on the government's general disinterest in this matter?
I don't like government getting involved in this either, but them getting involved is inevitable when the industry itself doesn't offer an acceptable solution on its own. Nor does it help when the industry practically brags about statistics relating to the average age of kids when they first view porn (which is well under 18).
truly the foundation of every nation: pornography, gambling, sexy movies, and videogaming...
we agree that this ability to demand ID will be misused soon, that much is obvious. but, with all due and sincere respect, get a fucking grip, this rhetoric is pathetic and just makes us all look like uppity, porn-addicted children.
Pornhub’s homepage now displays a message to North Carolina users explaining the company’s decision to stop operating in the state — just as it has in all other states that passed similar age verification legislation.
Good I hope they do that in any country/state which does this shit, so these idiots get voted out. And no idea how pornhub thinks how device based adult verification should happen, that would literaly require a chip in your pc or an external ID reader and the chip could probably be tracked by most websites then and the ID reader would also cost money. If parents allow their kids to browse the internet unsupervised to watch that stuff its their problem not the governments. And then I rather get a vpn and pay monthly so I dont have to give ID to every adult site and can also safely use torrents.
Even if they make vpns not work, most countries still only block sites via dns, so unless they block sites some other way. It should be quite easy to still visit sites which wont comply with these ridiculous demands like face cams lol. And plenty of sites you usually cant even find with google anymore because of copyright stuff. Like planetsuzy.org.
But the UK is a good example of peak clownworld hopefully the rest of the EU will not be that retarded.
Banning vpns doesn't work as it is core tech on how banking networks work. They will not migrate to any "state approved" tech as banking tech is so ancient that it will throw a hissy fit if you even dare look funny at the ancient server in the corner. Same with banning encryption because storing CC info in plain text is a wonderful idea.
You cannot regulate vpn traffic as it just looks like normal encrypted traffic. The only reason that sites can detect a vpn is being used is because the traffic comes from a known vpn host. Any system can function as a vpn with few lines of code. They had more success banning alcohol than they will ever have with banning vpns
How would they enforce it? The traffic looks identical to normal traffic so you cannot know from an ISP perspective. man-in-the-middle attack wouldn't work as VPN connects directly to the VPN server and has its own certificates and a country like Russia will not collaborate with US government for something that may harm their own interests. So the law cannot be enforced and is a dead law from the start
Good, we have to actually use Government power to help our cause. Right wingers are seemingly terrified of using the power they have to influence society, if everyone did it we'd have won a long time ago.
Well, we have precedent, so, you know, those questionable websites that feature... republicans... we've got to make sure we have a list of those types, just in case, you know, so ID is necessary.
Before anyone gets too excited about this because "won't someone please think of the children", remember that government policies never stop where they end. Governments want to be able to track everything single thing you do and "let us spy on you because of DUH CHILDREN" is always their first go-to excuse.
Thank you. I thought I was going to have to jump on this and shit talk government age verification, because there are some people here who do let their emotions get the best of them on this issue.
I don't get how anyone can defend it. They'll say things like 'oh, it doesn't affect you, you're not a child.' Wrong. This law gives the government the right to demand identification from you, an adult, before you're allowed to access a website. It's utterly terrifying. Obviously children shouldn't be watching porn, but this is not the way to do it.
My go to example is, they can move it pretty easily to any other currently or future age-gated activity. Guns being a big one. Conceivably, this could slide pretty quickly to stopping people from accessing online gun/militia content. Considering they're trying to push the purchase age up, too, if they ever succeeded, they'd have some level of precedent from stopping legal adults from accessing 2A content.
Handing even more power to the government in regard to the internet is an incredibly retarded idea.
The funny thing is they'll never push for any kind of photo ID to vote. That's the one line in the sand for them.
Whoa that's racist bro. Black people are too stupid to get a photo id. /s
Just having the law creates opportunities for blackmail. Even if you've never visited the porn site, the fact that they are legally required to have a list of everyone who visits makes your addition to that list more credible.
With the assumption as always being that those children are now 100% protected from whatever evil they are trying to banish, and not themselves only slightly inconvenienced in their pursuit of it.
Then maybe the porn sites should have spent some of their money coming up with a more robust solution than asking "are you over 18" with unlimited chances to pick the "correct' answer.
And while I certainly take advantage of the fact things are as lax as they are, I also know I can't even buy an R-rated (possibly even PG-13) movie from the bargain bin at Walmart without an ID check; and that discrepancy always strikes me as a bit absurd.
Yeah, but you can enter Walmart, you can pick up and look at the R-rated movie cases, etc.
The internet is its own beast, and it's hard to do an exact analogy. For starters, you're not buying porn, you're viewing it. There's no explicit transaction, and the government is now trying to patrol and control who can even enter the site. Which again, would be fine in theory, if I trusted the government. But they've shown time and again they want to control everything, perhaps especially the internet.
Barring someone from one site can easily snowball into the people in charge controlling access to all sites. If we set the precedent that the government can ask you for your ID to access a website, the slope isn't so much slippery, as just a cliff. It's a short step to not only all manner of thought policing, but also the end of internet anonymity.
I believe the law relates to making it available to minors for viewing, not just selling. Which is why on occasion leftist teachers get charged with showing porn to their students.
But even putting that aside for the moment, what's the R&D budget for these sites for implementing anonymous "proof of age" systems? Are they funding grad students/PhD candidates in this area? Offering grants? Are they interested in solving this problem at all, or are they simply using "it's impossible" as an excuse and counting on the government's general disinterest in this matter?
I don't like government getting involved in this either, but them getting involved is inevitable when the industry itself doesn't offer an acceptable solution on its own. Nor does it help when the industry practically brags about statistics relating to the average age of kids when they first view porn (which is well under 18).
It's already here.
https://cleanbrowsing.org/
The tools are all there, nobody wants to use them because
A: Puritans can no longer pearl clutch because there is an actual solution
B: politicians can't trojan horse digital id
C: coomers gonna coom
D: parents would rather complain to daddy government than actually protect their children.
truly the foundation of every nation: pornography, gambling, sexy movies, and videogaming...
we agree that this ability to demand ID will be misused soon, that much is obvious. but, with all due and sincere respect, get a fucking grip, this rhetoric is pathetic and just makes us all look like uppity, porn-addicted children.
OK, groomer.
Good I hope they do that in any country/state which does this shit, so these idiots get voted out. And no idea how pornhub thinks how device based adult verification should happen, that would literaly require a chip in your pc or an external ID reader and the chip could probably be tracked by most websites then and the ID reader would also cost money. If parents allow their kids to browse the internet unsupervised to watch that stuff its their problem not the governments. And then I rather get a vpn and pay monthly so I dont have to give ID to every adult site and can also safely use torrents.
The UK never fails to be peak clown world.
Even if they make vpns not work, most countries still only block sites via dns, so unless they block sites some other way. It should be quite easy to still visit sites which wont comply with these ridiculous demands like face cams lol. And plenty of sites you usually cant even find with google anymore because of copyright stuff. Like planetsuzy.org.
But the UK is a good example of peak clownworld hopefully the rest of the EU will not be that retarded.
Banning vpns doesn't work as it is core tech on how banking networks work. They will not migrate to any "state approved" tech as banking tech is so ancient that it will throw a hissy fit if you even dare look funny at the ancient server in the corner. Same with banning encryption because storing CC info in plain text is a wonderful idea.
You cannot regulate vpn traffic as it just looks like normal encrypted traffic. The only reason that sites can detect a vpn is being used is because the traffic comes from a known vpn host. Any system can function as a vpn with few lines of code. They had more success banning alcohol than they will ever have with banning vpns
If the state wants to ban or limit their use, they will and they have other options to use.
The stupid laws needs to go and the idiots that put it in place exposed for being cunts.
It isn't even a law in one country or state.It's across all of them.
How would they enforce it? The traffic looks identical to normal traffic so you cannot know from an ISP perspective. man-in-the-middle attack wouldn't work as VPN connects directly to the VPN server and has its own certificates and a country like Russia will not collaborate with US government for something that may harm their own interests. So the law cannot be enforced and is a dead law from the start
Good, we have to actually use Government power to help our cause. Right wingers are seemingly terrified of using the power they have to influence society, if everyone did it we'd have won a long time ago.
Jews and coomers kvetching lol. Porn isn't protected speech. In fact, pornographers should be given hefty prison sentences.
Well, we have precedent, so, you know, those questionable websites that feature... republicans... we've got to make sure we have a list of those types, just in case, you know, so ID is necessary.
Obviously this will not work, and maybe it will backfire against the liberty of millions. The only solution is outlawing pornography.