Medical malpractice is almost always just a whoopsie poopsie slap on the wrist civil tort law situation.
More like the financial death penalty. But you're right that it's nearly impossible to get charged criminally .
Whatever little LLC she was working for is done. However the industry is structured to survive these lawsuits since they are so common. I'd say your avg OBGYN gets legit sued once a year. And goes to trial maybe 1 in 5. So they don't keep cash in these vehicles, and for the most part assets are leased or finance. The shell just exists to collect payments and pay employees. It's not a permanent thing or even the same as the brand. So you can clean one out and own it. Enjoy the debt.
Tbh if you disqualified every one whose mistake led to a death there wouldn't be any. In some places there aren't any. When the proceeds can't pay the malpractice insurance they disappear.
I recommend you just get one you trust and all their partners too. Everyone makes mistakes. Not everyone decapitates your kid tho.
I'd say your avg OBGYN gets legit sued once a year. And goes to trial maybe 1 in 5.
How do they stay in business then? My understanding is that doctors fight malpractice suits as hard as they do because a black mark on their record makes malpractice insurance too expensive to keep the practice going.
Layers. This lawsuit will take down one business entity, in all likelihood. The others they associate with will not be liable, and I don't think anyone can be personally. Don't get me wrong. This is bad. But it is not unexpected to anyone that's in the business.
My understanding is that doctors fight malpractice suits as hard as they do because a black mark on their record makes malpractice insurance too expensive to keep the practice going.
I didn't know that. My experience of most of them is that they settle. I don't know the terms, but I know a lot of times settlements in general include no admission of wrongdoing.
I can certainly see people being uninsurable. But I don't know of any. Basically, any award in a case related to infants would bankrupt any practice. It's always millions of dollars, and like I say they don't just have that laying around. People aren't gonna spend the rest of their life paying off a debt. What happens is the liable entities get liquidated and then GL.
My family member who is an OBGYN was asking: "HOw did this happen?"
I thought it would be relatively easy to decapitate a baby. Apparently it's not. Which kind of makes sense cuz we come out head first and generally get pulled on. (This one sounded like it was breached tho).
There is one exception to this: Already-dead babies. Also morbid. But my friend said that's probably what happened in this case.
I have a few family members that are OBGYNs. happy to share with you guys what I find out.
Wait, midwives aren't common over the pond? Me at maternity care here is midwife led unless there are significant risk factors: weight, age previous miscarriages etc
Midwifes aren't integrated into the hospital system here in the slightest, so midwifery is almost exclusively the domain of "home births" only. Which creates stigmas in both directions that keep each one alive and the way it is.
Also, hospital births are often incredibly expensive even for the most perfect birth possible, and its a debt almost everyone in the nation will incur at least once at some point. So the hospitals have vested interest in keeping things in house and exactly like they are to continue to screw over middle America, as nearly everyone else either just ignores the debt or gets it completely covered by tax funded programs.
Just seems odd to me, I deal with midwives on a daily basis at work so the idea that not everywhere has them never occured to me. I'm aware of the exorbitant costs of health care state side mind, but I'm never sure about the rhetoric surrounding it
Midwives are like the feminists of the birthing industry.
They believe in alll this new age woo, then suddenly rediscover their faith in Western medicine the very second the "natural" birthing process gets complicated and hairy.
Then they cut and run like Wile Coyote, dumping the problem mother and child on the hospital and the surgeon at the last minute as strangers to try to use modern science to save everyone's life.
But the attending MD and her nurses on the staff killed the child. I've always assumed that midwives are not medically trained at all, but just play catcher and comfort mothers with new-age platitudes..
I've always assumed that midwives are not medically trained at all, but just play catcher and comfort mothers with new-age platitudes..
It's true the OB/GYN and the hospital was the one that fucked up in this story.
I was just pointing out that midwives aren't a viable alternative. I'm not even confident that midwives use forceps/vacuum suction for complicated vaginal deliveries.
Midwives are fine for uncomplicated young, healthy deliveries. They do have some legit training. They, for example, are a lot more legit than say, chiropractors.
But they operate from a typical feminist model: skim off the easy cases, carry yourself like you are better than the actual specialist doctors, buy into all the latest feel good useless bunk, immediately drop your principles the very second you meet any adversity, run for help to the doctors you just had so much disdain for and their methods, go home leaving the actual professionals to clean up your literal mess.
Over here a midwifery degree is a four year degree, same as a nurse. It is one year less than a doctor, and the difference is about a year spent on the wards with training wheels and mentor. Doctors do more placements on the ward.
New nurses and midwives then spend a year under supervision before they are fully qualified. Midwives work in hospital birthing suites as well as hospital-run home birth services.
Home births are not always a stupid idea. It depends on the risk-factors and the level of support required. It takes a surgeon an hour to scrub-up for a A1 C-Section, so as long as no one is bleeding to death (which drugs can fix, mostly) then a trip in the ambulance doesn't slow down a surgical intervention.
The cover-up is the only actual crime. Medical malpractice is almost always just a whoopsie poopsie slap on the wrist civil tort law situation.
And people wonder why so many are turning to midwifes and home births...
More like the financial death penalty. But you're right that it's nearly impossible to get charged criminally .
Whatever little LLC she was working for is done. However the industry is structured to survive these lawsuits since they are so common. I'd say your avg OBGYN gets legit sued once a year. And goes to trial maybe 1 in 5. So they don't keep cash in these vehicles, and for the most part assets are leased or finance. The shell just exists to collect payments and pay employees. It's not a permanent thing or even the same as the brand. So you can clean one out and own it. Enjoy the debt.
Tbh if you disqualified every one whose mistake led to a death there wouldn't be any. In some places there aren't any. When the proceeds can't pay the malpractice insurance they disappear.
I recommend you just get one you trust and all their partners too. Everyone makes mistakes. Not everyone decapitates your kid tho.
How do they stay in business then? My understanding is that doctors fight malpractice suits as hard as they do because a black mark on their record makes malpractice insurance too expensive to keep the practice going.
Layers. This lawsuit will take down one business entity, in all likelihood. The others they associate with will not be liable, and I don't think anyone can be personally. Don't get me wrong. This is bad. But it is not unexpected to anyone that's in the business.
I didn't know that. My experience of most of them is that they settle. I don't know the terms, but I know a lot of times settlements in general include no admission of wrongdoing.
I can certainly see people being uninsurable. But I don't know of any. Basically, any award in a case related to infants would bankrupt any practice. It's always millions of dollars, and like I say they don't just have that laying around. People aren't gonna spend the rest of their life paying off a debt. What happens is the liable entities get liquidated and then GL.
True . . . and perversely, hilariously funny. Well-put!
My family member who is an OBGYN was asking: "HOw did this happen?"
I thought it would be relatively easy to decapitate a baby. Apparently it's not. Which kind of makes sense cuz we come out head first and generally get pulled on. (This one sounded like it was breached tho).
There is one exception to this: Already-dead babies. Also morbid. But my friend said that's probably what happened in this case.
I have a few family members that are OBGYNs. happy to share with you guys what I find out.
Wait, midwives aren't common over the pond? Me at maternity care here is midwife led unless there are significant risk factors: weight, age previous miscarriages etc
Midwifes aren't integrated into the hospital system here in the slightest, so midwifery is almost exclusively the domain of "home births" only. Which creates stigmas in both directions that keep each one alive and the way it is.
Also, hospital births are often incredibly expensive even for the most perfect birth possible, and its a debt almost everyone in the nation will incur at least once at some point. So the hospitals have vested interest in keeping things in house and exactly like they are to continue to screw over middle America, as nearly everyone else either just ignores the debt or gets it completely covered by tax funded programs.
Just seems odd to me, I deal with midwives on a daily basis at work so the idea that not everywhere has them never occured to me. I'm aware of the exorbitant costs of health care state side mind, but I'm never sure about the rhetoric surrounding it
This isn't true whatsoever.
Well perhaps it's true at garbage hospitals. But any network worth being in has numerous midwives.
Midwives are like the feminists of the birthing industry.
They believe in alll this new age woo, then suddenly rediscover their faith in Western medicine the very second the "natural" birthing process gets complicated and hairy.
Then they cut and run like Wile Coyote, dumping the problem mother and child on the hospital and the surgeon at the last minute as strangers to try to use modern science to save everyone's life.
But the attending MD and her nurses on the staff killed the child. I've always assumed that midwives are not medically trained at all, but just play catcher and comfort mothers with new-age platitudes..
Its just a different medical path when you look at certification requirements.
It's true the OB/GYN and the hospital was the one that fucked up in this story.
I was just pointing out that midwives aren't a viable alternative. I'm not even confident that midwives use forceps/vacuum suction for complicated vaginal deliveries.
Midwives are fine for uncomplicated young, healthy deliveries. They do have some legit training. They, for example, are a lot more legit than say, chiropractors.
But they operate from a typical feminist model: skim off the easy cases, carry yourself like you are better than the actual specialist doctors, buy into all the latest feel good useless bunk, immediately drop your principles the very second you meet any adversity, run for help to the doctors you just had so much disdain for and their methods, go home leaving the actual professionals to clean up your literal mess.
Over here a midwifery degree is a four year degree, same as a nurse. It is one year less than a doctor, and the difference is about a year spent on the wards with training wheels and mentor. Doctors do more placements on the ward.
New nurses and midwives then spend a year under supervision before they are fully qualified. Midwives work in hospital birthing suites as well as hospital-run home birth services.
Home births are not always a stupid idea. It depends on the risk-factors and the level of support required. It takes a surgeon an hour to scrub-up for a A1 C-Section, so as long as no one is bleeding to death (which drugs can fix, mostly) then a trip in the ambulance doesn't slow down a surgical intervention.
Thanx for the info. Once again, I learn something new here.
A doctor that can't get liability insurance can't practice. They are done. A serious malpractice judgement will end a doctor's career.