Winning: DeSantis lets go of more than 1/3 of campaign staff
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I like DeSantis, generally. Whoever he's listening to has destroyed his political career. It's kind of sad to see.
All he had to do was wait four more years and keep Florida great. And now people won't even trust him for that cycle anymore.
I'm guessing he got paid handsomely by the DNC or the uniparty to try and siphon off votes.
We should all be happy he exposed himself so early as a tool instead of hiding it until 2028.
Same thing.
I don't think he got paid. I think he just had too many Grima Wormtongues at his side.
The shitty big donors were beginning to line up behind him. He was at least on track to be paid.
You said exactly what I'm thinking. Trying so hard to "pwn and one-up Trump" was pathetic and I didn't appreciate the infighting over nonsense while the left, as unified as ever, marching hand-in-hand with RINOs, gets their agenda passed. Not only does it make him seem like a weak Presidential candidate but that flak bounces back and shows him as a weak Governor.
(And I'm not at all excited to guess at who's next. DeSantis' ego and flubs could very well get enough wishy-washy conservative fence sitters to stay home and let a Democrat sink it's claws and destroy Florida in record speed.)
Trump gaslighting over his approval of DeSantis' governorship is outrageous, but DeSantis did not appreciate how low Trump would stoop to punish what he sees as disloyalty. Which is a fucking hoot considering Trump never punished any leftist traitors on nominated by his word anywhere near that degree.
"The only thing worse than a whore is a stupid whore."
DeStraction only has himself to blame. Signing a literal fucking hate speech law in a foreign nation was crossing the line. Even if I buy into the idea that it was "whoever he listened to", it's his name on the dotted fucking line. But let's assume he just does whatever stupid bullshit is asked of him without thinking if it might blow up in his face. Do you really want someone like that leading America?
I have to agree with you here. He was getting bad advice from all angles, from people he should have been much more skeptical about.
I'm particularly worried about the behavior of his internet shills, and I actually don't mean PhilosoRaptor. Some of the worse ones who went after Barris's former felony conviction, or the manufacturing of AI art involving Fauci, and actual harassment and slander. I really think some people were paid to burn the right to the ground in this effort.
As bad as Trump is with personelle issues, DeSantis clearly has similar problems.
Trump/DeSantis 2024 would have been a hell of a thing to see. I would be disappointed but that would mean I have any faith in the republican party.
I prefer Trump but wouldn't want to see DeSantis drop out this early, not like this. He could win me over. I was hoping for a battle for the ages, with fiery debates possibly leading to hand-to-hand arena combat, the spoils going to the victor, and the loser - should he survive - possibly becoming VP.
Well Trump implied Ben Carson was a pedophile and he later joined his cabinet so the good news is anything's possible
This is really the tragic part. I've been calling from the beginning that this was the GOPe attempting to kill one or both potential candidates. If he had won the nomination, his own donors would have pulled out, and the RNC would have cut his throat, repeating what happened in 2022: claiming that Trumpism was dead because DeSantis was the "electable Trump". "Only real Conservatives like Jeb Bush should run in the future!"
Since it doesn't look like he'll win, his shills are trying to burn every bridge, and his donors are trying to use this moment of weakness to push him out of Florida.
All that being said, I don't think his political damage is permanent. Look at Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio. Both were absolutely lambasted by Trump. Yet, "Lyin Ted" (the BTK killer) turned into "Lion Ted". Sure, being president is a bit out of their leagues, but their careers aren't over. I don't think DeSantis is going to be kicked out of the Governor's race anytime soon, and I don't think the Trump wing is actually going to want to ostracize him if they can bring him back into the fold.
Not saying you're wrong, and I don't know all the backstory behind this shakeup, but can someone explain to me why everyone here is saying "this is it for DeSantis"? I'm probably ignorant of a political reality here, but the article only says he's cutting staff so he can keep campaigning. Why would you bother with austerity if you don't plan to stay in for the long haul? They make it sound like he can reposition his strategy as an underdog and keep going. Some of the staffers are still helping him but not on payroll.
Eh, he waffles.
Personally, I don't think "this is it for DeSantis." He'll continue to limp along and his fanboys will continue to be annoying.
I just think he has no shot at winning the primary.
Collapsing poll numbers, donors complaining, Ramaswamy is actually catching up to him, bone-headed media stunts, crazy shills, it all kinda screams "circling the drain".
His ugliest problem is that he's got tons of money, but is actually lacking in grass-roots support. So if those donors are pulling their investments and he can't pay staff, it says his chance at success is hurting badly.
Sure but, his career's not over. That's what I'm getting at.
Trump just has too much baggage. Plus, the democrats have a hard on for destroying him, so he'll galvanize and mobilize their voters in a way other candidates wouldn't. DeSantis has a better chance to win the presidency IMO. It would be a shame if he loses the primary and Trump goes on the lose the general.
You're utterly crazy if you think that the Dems won't shift to "Worse than Trump!" for literally anyone who isn't Trump, and resembles anything akin to a dissident. They were already calling DeSantis a Fascist back in 2020 and 2021.
TDS has nothing to do with Trump. It has to do with the power of psychological conditioning. Leftist rage can switch from one thing to another, just like they did with Kavanaugh, to Covington, to Barret, to Rittenhouse, to Thomas. It doesn't matter who, all that matters is the process. Go ahead and read the shit they said about Reagan and Goldwater, it's shockingly similar to what they say about Trump. It's almost word for word.
Even anyone old enough to have been aware during the George W Bush years can confirm this.
Super creepy how they just have no issue with him.
yeah been saying this a lot. But the usual /r/consfugees cannot accept the fact that were against litteral npcs.
Some people are, unfortunately, reverse polarity NPC's.
100% truth. The idea that one candidate is less vulnerable than another is based on libs having a shred of integrity. They have none! NONE! If any fact or event or person threatens their cause du jour they will shred it like piranhas. It could even be something they actually liked before, doesn't matter. Once they sense the blood in the water it's a wrap.
That's because they are operating on considerations of power, not ideology. Trump, one way or another, is someone they consider their greatest and most imminent threat. Hence, why you should push down that avenue of approach.
My point is that DeSantis never had a shot at beating Trump, and his campaign handlers have done such a poor job that at this point, he probably has no shot at national office any more.
Considering what the Democrats have been doing to Trump and then ask yourself why they aren't doing the same thing to DeStraction.
He might have had a chance if he hadn't surrounded himself with the nastiest Never Trump people in the world, but he's capped his ceiling at sub-Romney levels now.
He'll be back in four years. I hope Trump wins this one and gives him a hand in the next.
Trump holds grudges against people who actively betray him, but he also can make deals with anyone. We shall see which is which, but I honestly think it will be the latter.
/r/conservative is not taking this lightly
r/"conservative" thinks DeSantis' path to success was to run to the left of Trump
This is dead internet theory right? 35 people upvoted this retard?
I mean, they're not altogether wrong, in the context of appealing to anti-Trumpers.
"He chose to place himself further right than trump which is the exact opposite of what anti-trumpers wanted."
That's a (largely) true statement. Anti-Trumpers do largely want to go back to uniparty neoconnery. Not all of them, and some do want more right wing, but that seems to be the minority. Anti-Trumpers often want more Bush, Romney, etc. Definitely that's what the people at the top pushing anti-Trump stuff want.
In that respect, they didn't want DeSantis or his stances, but are taking what they can get, because at least he's not Trump.
We will see next year how things end when people actually vote in the primaries.
If Trump ends up as the nominee, so be it. The primary electorate will get the nominee that it deserves. Trump 2024 will end up losing in the general and some people here still will make excuses for Trump and they will go on to support Trump 2028 or whatever year till the arrogant old man dies. Hopefully the old man dies sooner than later.
You can choose to make the same mistakes with the same people but you cannot expect different results.
Trump has not learned from his mistakes and his public standing has only worsened since 2020.
Independent voters will not feel any sympathy for him over the indictments while GOP voters generally do feel sympathy for him. People here get the two groups conflated.
The average normie vehemently hates Trump and also dislikes Biden. They will hold their nose and vote for Biden if faced with a choice between the two.
I am telling you all this now but you still won't accept it even if it happens next year.
For the record, I think the Dems don't need any mail in ballot fraud to win 2024 unlike 2020.
Trump is a lightning rod for Dem turnout but his recent baggage makes it easier than ever for them to win even without any shenanigans.
In terms of DeSantis, if he loses the primary in 2024, I will be supporting someone new in 2028. I love DeSantis for what he has achieved in Florida but if he actually loses the primary to a buffoonish clown like Trump, I definitely cannot support him.
I personally prioritize winning above else not complaining that it was rigged or that they stole it.
I am not like some of the clowns in the base who want to run the same retarded faggot over and over again.
Politicians are rental cars not your fucking family. We owe none of them any loyalty.
I will say that this primary has made me realize that I really do hate the MAGA movement and I will enjoy watching it die in 2024. I align very well with all of the policy of MAGA but I realize the main figures are insufferable.
People like Donald Trump, Jack Posobeic, Charlie Kirk, Kari Lake and Raheem Kassam have lied so much about DeSantis so many times that I have no respect for this movement of clowns and grifters.
I have sadly learned that the MAGA movement is not about policy at all but merely about cultlike hero worship of a flawed man.
People here are crazy enough to say that Trump really cares about disloyalty. That fat fuck cheated on every one of his wives. The only loyalty that faggot cares about is other people bending to him. He has no shred of loyalty towards anyone. He didn't endorse loyal people like Lou Barletta and instead endorsed loons like Mastriano, Herschel Walker and Dr. Oz. Trump is a cancer to the right's chances of winning anything.
Enjoy the primary victory for Trump if it happens. We will watch him lose in the general.
Trump will NEVER be president again and neither will any of his children or that dumb whore Kari Lake or that inbred clown JD Vance or that midget Indian Clownaswamy.
MAGA's expiration date is 2024.
This pathetic movement will die with Trump's loss in the general.
Delicious, burning copium. Love the smell this early in the morning. rOn DeSpectrum crashing and burning already