The "Electability" Illusion
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Man he really likes getting ratioed by multiple men at once.
Is Trump sitting in the White House right now?
No.
This is my problem with you guys.
You guys continue to parrot conservative influencers(grifters) like Razorfist who just constantly make excuses for why Trump is not in the White House and they do this because they need to double down on running this same guy again for their grift to exist.
Let's look at what has changed since the 2020 election?
There has been no improved election integrity in the swing states that matter : AZ, GA and WI.
Trump's 2024 campaign team is objectively the worst team he has ever had with clowns like Alex Bruesewitz and Roger Stone in prominent roles.
Trump has more additional baggage with J6 and Stop the Steal which will certainly hurt him in suburban areas that he needs to improve in to have a shot at winning.
If Trump couldn't stop the steal while he was the incumbent President, no fucking way he will stop the steal as an challenger.
I vehemently support a new candidate like Ron DeSantis because the definition of insanity is not learning anything and propping the same guy up and expecting different results.
Fuck Razorfist for making excuses to keep his dumb grift going.
Motherfucker looks like a dumb tranny.
Why? No reason they couldn't join the hordes of DeSantis grifters.
Everything has gotten significantly worse? Meaning there will be some dissatisfied Dem voters who will stay home or even vote for the Orange Man...especially if RFK gets predictably screwed by the Dem leadership.
That's a big problem, but it's not a Trump exclusive problem, so what's the point? DeSantis would either suffer the same issue...or he's complicit and has the go-ahead of those in power.
Everyone seems to have clown teams this go around, sadly.
And DeSantis wants to genocide the poor trannies, gays, and Mexicans. They'll paint anyone as Hitler. That's what, like Razorfist, pisses me off about the "electability" argument; they'll make anyone "unelectable." Again, everyone is Literally Hitler.
Again, if the steal needs to be stopped...DeSantis won't be able to either. You're not making an argument for why Trump can't win...but someone else could.
Did he piss in your cereal, or something?
There's DeSantis, who is righteous and pure and infallible, and there is everybody else who are 100% grifters.
So yeah, basically everybody who doesn't worship DeSantis pissed in his cereal.
My disdain for these clowns have nothing to do with supporting DeSantis or not supporting him.
I despise these influencers who do nothing but make excuses for only Trump but somehow they will have a different standard for any other politician.
I see this bullshit constantly from grifters like Jack Posobeic, Razorfist and Styx.
They treat Trump differently when it comes to making mistakes and they will always give him the benefit of the doubt.
DeSantis probably isn't WEF; I think he's just standard neocon.
And I, personally, don't give Trump a "pass." He did all sorts of stupid shit and brought on a lot of probably compromised people.
He was still the only decent president that we've had in my adult lifetime.
How the fuck is DeSantis clearly in with the WEF?
There is no support for that claim.
We should let leftist delusions be our policy platform. It's far better than anything the Republicans come up with.
Meanwhile the Trump side has too many grifters for me to even list: Jack Posobeic, Charlie Kirk, Mike Lindell, Dinesh DeSouza, Robert Barnes, Richard Baris, Razorfist, Styx, Kari Lake, Roger Stone and Alex Breusewitz.
Conditions getting worse is not getting Donald Trump any more votes. Trump has more baggage since 2020. When faced with a choice between Biden and Trump, the normies will sadly still choose Biden.
Trump complains about election fraud constantly but has done nothing to alleviate the problem. That is why I brought up this point. I was not saying that DeSantis would magically overcome election fraud.
Trump 2024 has the biggest set of clowns in any modern political campaign.
The media will try to paint DeSantis as Hitler but he doesn't provide them free ammo. Trump cannot stop putting his foot in his mouth. He has no self-discipline. He honestly makes it too EASY for the media to smear him.
I am making the argument that running Trump again is the definition of insanity. My point is that someone new like DeSantis is harder for the media to demonize to the level that normies absolutely despise Trump.
I despise these grifters like Razorfist who make special excuses for only Trump and will only offer him grace when it comes to running again. Some other candidate made a mistake, these grifters immediately call them globalists or muh RINO. Trump fucking praises Newsom and Cuomo, oh muh Trump is so great. Fuck these influencers. Fuck Razorfist and his tranny looking faggot ass. I hope he is enjoying Katie Hobbs in Arizona.
Haha.
Everyone I don't like is
Hitlera grifter.Well, he's not in office anymore. Also, his people have been doing a fair bit on the ballot harvesting front, to try to keep up.
So, it's pointless for Trump to run, but not DeSantis, because reasons?
This is so silly, and I see it a lot. Yes, Trump is, uh...bombastic. But, again, the media can blow up anything into a mountain. Easy, hard...doesn't matter, they can still smear you. You'd think DeSantis got up every morning, whipped a Mexican before breakfast, then strong up some gays after breakfast, and in the evening made the trannies face the wall. He's an authoritarian tyrant, and every sort of "'phobe." Is it true? No. Does that matter? Not really.
Haha, I wish.
Yeah, you hate Trump, and anyone who supports him. Not exactly news.
I'd tell you to stay mad, but you obviously don't need the reminder.
On this point specifically, OTR believes (and so do I, mainly from living in supposedly red suburbs and hearing it from other people) is that Trump's personality has a lot to do with why people don't wanna vote for him, so while yes, election fraud did happen, said fraud wouldn't have been as effective as it was if it weren't for Trump being Trump.
Hahaha lmfao now Razorfist of all people is a grifter. Everyone I don't like is a grifter!
No offense Philosoraptor, but didn't you claim that Trump lost due to fraud, and that Pence should have reversed the whole thing?
Quite unlikely. Nobody cares about J6.
On the 4th of July DeSantis was praising israel instead of America.
As he said, Trump KNOWS how to play the room and be charismatic, plus he mostly does what he said he's going to do which is an improvement over the majority of politicians.
It's why 2016 he was the outsider to the corrupt establishment, 2020 the defender against the leftist perversion of liberty and now for 2024 the hunted martyr that the corruption desperately are trying to stop him undoing their work. It's all because of how the establishment/left react to him that he can brand himself as such, if they came at him on a honest side and just went on policy then they'd have more of a shot.
Going against Trump like they have is like trying to fight him in a mudhole that he treats like an operating room
Normies still will not vote for Trump in the numbers he needs to win another general election in 2024.
It is embarrassing that you even compare Trump to a fucking fictional character like Batman.
This is what I mean when I say the Trump 2024 people here are in a fucking bubble.
Normies dislike Biden but when faced with a choice between Trump and Biden they will go Biden and you will be shocked and you will demand Trump be the nominee again in 2028.
I am so tired of this retarded shit.
It's less 'Trump is Batman' but it's more for the analogue:
They usually try to drag people into the mud where they can't fight back as they aren't used to it.
Trump is such a mudfighter that like in that clip, he can take a few hits but is making you bleed and lose strength as he knows precisely how to hit back.
The problem isn't Trump (despite the vaccine support) the main issue is establishment GOP, they sabotaged the 2022 elections after Roe v Wade by saying the should bad ALL abortion at a federal level. That was massive overreach that galvanised women to vote blue in large numbers. I can see them trying to do the same again but it'll be weaker now that the focus is on how many pedos are in the pride movement.
If after the past 3 years from everything from Afghanistan, Ukraine, cocaine etc people STILL vote for the pedo in chief in a Trump vs Biden (because that's how it looking to be) then America is finished as a relevant power player, simple as.
Normies will pick Biden over Trump.
Go talk to normies and you will have your answer.
I despise Trump's behavior from 2020 onwards but I still prefer him over Biden. Too bad normies don't feel the same way.
People here don't realize how much normies hate Trump specifically.
There is no man in politics today that is hated by more normies than Trump.
What behavior?
My grievances with Trump's behavior are that
He pushed Operation WarpSpeed and refuses to acknowledge to this day that the COVID vaccines are shit and have terrible adverse effects.
He listened to Fauci and lockdowned during COVID. The worst part is to this day he still says he did the right thing. He refuses to acknowledge he ever made a mistake.
He told his most devoted supporters to come on J6 and he let them get fucked. He didn't pardon a single one while he pardoned his rat son in law Kushner's daddy.
He hired the worst people for key positions like Bill Barr, Jeff Sessions, Scott Gottlieb and Steve Mnuchin and now he says he always hired the best people and they just happened to betray him now.
He refuses to focus on running a future facing campaign for 2024. Spends most of his time bitching about 2020 being stolen and alienating any potential independent voters.
He endorsed dog shit tier candidates like Dr. Oz, Herschel Walker, Doug Mastriano, Tudor Dixon and Blake Masters who all lost key races in the 2022 midterms.
You have no idea whom 'normies' will pick, let alone 1 year and four months from now.
cough dominion cough
Where is the Kraken that Sidney Powell promised you dumbass?
Dominion has always been a red herring to discount and hide the real fraud.
The real election fraud has always been old fashioned mass mail in ballot fraud.
You'll never know what's happening with a Dominion machine because it is inherently in-auditable. Prove to me the integrity of any election involving Dominion equipment. You can't. So we will forever be consigned to half the voting population screaming fraud - rightly so - until this is rectified. Yes, it includes mail in fraud. But stop discounting the very real issue of in-auditable electronic machines.
You are arguing with me over something that I have never said.
Stop the stealers like Sydney Powell and Lin Wood pushing the Dominion machines theory never provided any actual hard evidence for their claims.
The burden of proof is always on the accuser in the west.
100% wrong. I don't care about those morons and their claims. The burden of proof in election integrity lies on the facilitators of said elections to prove to me, the citizen and voter, that the processes employed are reasonably free of corruption. Which means you need to show me an audit trail. Which you can't do with a Dominion machine.
You're speaking of criminal trials. IDGAF about that. Apples and oranges. I'm talking about election integrity and transparency. It isn't on me to prove how you committed fraud in an election, it's on you to demonstrate why anyone should believe the results of said election in the first place.
The elites who control ALL of the major institutions frankly don't care about how regular people like us have any concerns about election integrity.
I share your concerns about election integrity so I obviously would never say the system is anywhere close to perfect.
You are misconstruing my point. The point is that the accusations against Dominion machines helped the elites distract the public from the real fraud that always happens when mass mail in ballots are involved.
There has been no hard evidence presented against Dominion machines by Powell or Wood or Lindell. They made the claims against Dominion but they have not backed it up at all.
The only way to have faith in the system and create actual election integrity for the future is to win elections by winning by a margin larger than any potential margin of fraud.
I don't think Trump can achieve this and I want someone new like DeSantis to get a shot at the Presidency.
Dominion colluded with the groomers running Fox to get rid of Tucker Carlson. I'm not familiar with the claims about their role in the 2020 fraud, but they're definitely one of the bad actors in this shit show. They should be permanently barred from taking part in elections in red states since they're partisan hacks at the very least.
/r/conservative is that way
I don't have even have a reddit account anymore you fucking retard.
Your comments are almost 1/1 of that to your typical /r/conservative user.
A lot of normies probably will pick Trump because they realise now how bad and terrible shape the economy currently is and they are desperate to have the economy fixed. But you know I generally share a lot of your grievance I have with Trump. I found his presidency to be largely disappointing and generally find people around promoting Trump in twitter to be equally annoying especially JackPoso. Maybe I'm just so close to blackpilled, I cannot understand the optimism I'm seeing there.
'But they voted against trump' Conservatives please. That amount of fuckery happening in one night and then stretching election day into months is FISHY as fuck. Also DOMINION MACHINES.
screw you u/onetruephilosoraptor. Go back to /r/cuckservative. I'm sure they'll welcome you back with open arms.
Trump lost 2020 for multiple reasons.
Mail in ballot laws were changed because of COVID and the Dems pushed mass mail in ballots.
Trump certainly alienated many independent voters by putting his foot in his mouth like he always does.
I acknowledge that a lot of shady mail in ballot shit happened in the 2020 election but I will NOT absolve Trump of all of his responsibility.
He was the incumbent President while they "stole" it away from him. It happened on his watch. He could have prevented it all by just not locking down for COVID. He gave Dems the cover to change the mail in ballot laws.
Trump doesn't get to always play the victim of Democrat malevolence. He has agency and he openly made multiple mistakes that led us down the path to the terrible 2020 outcome.
I am sick of you Trump 2024 clowns painting me with a false brush.
I hate to see the U.S. suffer and truly want a Biden re-election campaign to fail but the only silver lining of a Trump nomination in 2024 is watching you clowns on this board seethe and cry when Trump loses in the 2024 general election.
Governors locked down. Trump had no authority on that.
Every governor used CDC's federal guidance to lockdown.
Trump could have fired the agency heads like Fauci and Birx but he didn't.
Trump himself bragged on Twitter that he has the final authority when it comes to any lockdowns.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249712404260421633
illegally.
every mail-in ballot is illegitimate.
the fact is the well is too poisoned against Trump. he failed to do what he campaigned on and during the swamp, and he has paid the price. they can do anything against him and the normies will lap it up.
THose only made him more and more like a martyr to normies, The inflation and constant bad news regarding biden also helps. Don't let the /r/cuckservatives TDS tell you otherwise.