Due to my particular brand of Autism, I will recall words and phrases like one might recall a musical jingle from a commercial. This results in me being very good at learning and retaining foreign language, but also in noticing upticks in regular English words and phrases as they go into and out of popularity.
Recently, I have started to see a lot of Leftists in places like Reddit, Twitter, Discord, and even Youtube comments using phrases like "you're not even making any sense," "what are you talking about," "you're just speaking gibberish," and so on while arguing with other people. The comments to which they are replying are never any kind of incomprehensible or nonsensical, and it seems like this is just an attempt by the Lefty in question to try to pretend that his opponent has no argument. It could be right in the beginning of the argument or a few posts in. Sprinkled in along side these recurring phrases are random insults and swears. If I didn't know any better, I'd think it was a Glowie doing their best to follow SOP to rile up the other posters, or an AI trained to write this way.
Have any of the rest of you encountered this technique in your travels with increasing frequency? It doesn't even have to be political in nature, that's just where I know I see it the most often. I'm so curious about it because the rise in frequency that I've seen it lately makes me feel like this is something that some popular internet celebrity started doing, and a bunch of the NPCs took it as a software update and are now using it everywhere the same way they use "touch grass" like it's an automatic 'I win' button. Your thoughts and comments, please.
I have noticed this for years. Progressivism is a cult, and the cultists often get updates implicitly telling them to use certain phrases. It's part of a Marxist tactic called a "mass line effort".
I did have one guy ask if I'm "having a stroke" after he attempted to move the goalpost in an argument, to which I replied, "I'm pure, thanks." That seemed to have shut him up.
Your problem is trying to have good-faith arguments with NPCs when you should be trolling the shit out of them. They exist for your amusement, so have some fun with it.
My new favorite is "no one is saying" followed immediately by something I've personally witnessed dozens of leftists saying.
Eventually you just have to get it into your head that they're liars. Hell I don't even consider them humans anymore.
I am convinced that fully 80% of the population doesn't qualify as human. They're just animals that can speak.
When you have a world view, and someone says it's wrong, it takes a lot to even understand the concept.
The phrases you provided are examples of gaslighting as a means to bypass debate. It could be from useful idiots, shills, or bots (Chat gpt is retarded regarding contextual information). Either way, the ones behind it are batshit insane narcissistic types operating in a cult. Nothing drives them over the deep end like mockery and exposure of the truth.
What I’ve noticed is leftists co-opting terms like “coomers,” even though these same leftists are the biggest sexual degenerates imaginable. This is especially prevalent with the Skullgirls backlash and the frustration at how ugly female characters are designed in Western games. Eventually we will get to the point where they start calling their opponents “consoomers” or whatever 4chan meme words they latch onto.
We probably agree that there's quite a good chance that a person trotting out these kind of phrases in response to a cogent argument is just being dismissive or doesn't want to engage. It wouldn't surprise me if there's been an uptick in this kind of bad faith tactic since the left has recently become more insular and unwilling to even engage people or ideas that don't fit their preferred narrative.
That said, however, this kind of thing can happen even to intelligent people arguing in good faith especially if their when their world view is very different from the person they're talking to. Very different world views means different views on fundamental truths which they are going to hold as axiomatic. Unless the argument is rigorous (which, let's be real, it ain't gonna be in an internet forum) there's a good chance the each side won't properly communicate truths they hold as axiomatic. When the other side reads the argument it could look nonsensical to them because the premises do not follow from their own axiomatic truths. This sort of good faith misunderstanding could certainly be on the uptick as western society becomes more fractured regarding the truths it holds to be self evident..
Yes, oftentimes they also say "You don't even know what that means" or "what is the definition of [insert word here]?" and then dismiss whatever anyone says out of turn.
This is because Leftists' arguments are built on a house of straw.
Yes, but I first noticed it going on during Bush's second term. In one day, I saw three different people one three different forums use the same phrase, word for word, to describe some political action of Dubya's. Googling the term came up with no results. So... where did the phrase come from?
But it is getting worse. Either the Dead Internet Theory has been right for a long time, or NPCs have been in the prototype stage for quite a while.
When confronted, leftists often try to defend themselves by concealment. Usually it's done by rejecting a specific label ("wokeness doesn't exist", "Marxism can't be postmodern", etc), or that leftism exists at all, but there's really nothing stopping them from pretending the argument itself doesn't exist. Sure, it requires lying even harder, but for leftists, that's a benefit. The more unbelievable the lie they can get away with, the happier it makes them.
It reminds me a little of how Scientologists do it.
Always attack, defending is unnecessary.
how do you know it is not an AI fucking with people?
Could very likely be AI.
I haven’t noticed that particular phrase. I have noticed lefties who constantly espouse the “global south” now though. I first heard that phrase about a year ago and now it’s everywhere.
first I've heard of that one. I'm guessing it's a politically correct term for the third world? because leftists need more supply for their Coalition of Fringes but are not allowed to talk about how these places are shitholes?
Yeah, as far as I can tell it's the next euphamism for the third world. "Developing nations" is so 2015.