For those who don't keep up with the nonsense, a big thing in feminism right now is pushing men into "HEAL" (health, education, administration, literacy) careers. I won't pretend to know what the last 2 mean, but in practice they're trying to get men to become nurses and teachers. Nursing is a miserable job, and any man who's interested in healthcare should become a PA or a doctor. He'll get paid better and won't have to worry about coming across as a faggot. I'm actually in favor of more male teachers provided they aren't soy boys because boys need positive male role models. But this kind of crap is why men should avoid teaching like the plague. It's not reasonable to ask men to martyr themselves like this, especially for what teachers get paid. Which of course segues into the pay problem. Women can do those jobs because they can get a husband who earns the real money while she LARPs as a Strong Independent Woman. A man can't support anyone on that kind of salary. Let's also keep in mind that the whole purpose of this scheme is to push men out of STEM so women can steal the good jobs.
I've worked healthcare jobs, they're super hostile to men. Everything I or another guy (who was my best co-worker and lasted 3 weeks) is harshly scrutinized, while everything the women do is incompetent but fine.
STEM is already full of women, especially in academia
Tell me about it. With a few exceptions the best professors I've had are older white dudes because they had to earn their positions instead having it handed to them as part of a DIE scheme. In undergrad I avoided one female professor like the plague after taking a W in one of her classes. I suspect she's a man hater, but considering what one of the female students in that class told me it's possible that she's just an incompetent retard. I ended up getting my letters of recommendation from those older white dudes that they're so eager to get rid of.
Kids aren't stupid, and it didn't take girls long to realise that if the teacher's male, all it takes is one "the teacher touched me" story to end a teacher's career.
Whether it happened or not.
Particularly when, these days, coordinating a group to make accusations of the same man at the same time is trivially easy.
You would have to be insane to want to be a teacher these days.
And the truly galling thing is that the administration is fully against them from the very beginning. One of these little shits can run their mouth and instantly no one is on your side and your whole career is destroyed.
I had a gym teacher in 8th grade who almost got fired (potentially arrested) because he made one of the girls in my class run laps and she accused him of touching her. I and pretty much everyone else actually heard her say it was because she didn't want to run laps, so it didn't go anywhere. But if she'd kept it to herself, he'd have been fucked.
Nursing is a miserable job, and any man who's interested in healthcare should become a PA or a doctor. He'll get paid better and won't have to worry about coming across as a faggot
There are a couple of exceptions.
Mental health nursing, we need large men who are basically security guards with health training, you need to be able to command respect and also tackle and hold people down till the meds kick in. Prison guards for schizophrenics basically.
Anesthetist nurse. High paying, basically just working under the anethetist themselves and administering meds. Reasonably split at around 50/50, and that's only cause so many of the earlier steps are female dominated. If the training that fed into it weren't so biased it would be 98/2. It's very well paying.
And there are others. It's a shame they are called 'nurse' really, because those are jobs that are suited to males, other than the name.
As a general rule sure, don't become a nurse lads. But there are a couple of 'nursing' roles which are male suited and male dominated. Or at least reasonably split, because they require male skills and physique, and which we do need as a society.
Mental health nursing, we need large men who are basically security guards with health training, you need to be able to command respect and also tackle and hold people down till the meds kick in. Prison guards for schizophrenics basically.
Is that really a good job though? Like are they paid well and respected? I know a major complaint that men who go into these kinds of fields have is that they're always assigned violent and unruly patients/clients/whatever. Fair point about anesthetist nurse, and as you said that one would benefit from a name change.
Is that really a good job though? Like are they paid well and respected?
I know a major complaint that men who go into these kinds of fields have is that they're always assigned violent and unruly patients/clients/whatever.
Obviously the work itself is shit, you're dealing with the kind of people no-one wants to work with all other things being equal. Yeah, that's the point. That's where the males are needed. Same as policing and the army.
Pay is hard to say because of how nurses are graded and all the different quals, it ranges from 'about average for educated' up to 'damn nice but not anesthetist nice', depending on which qual you have, where I am.
E: Oh, I and remembered a 3rd group. Military stuff, better ratios there.
I dunno if you saw my post a while back about going "undercover" in my school district but one thing I neglected to mention there was that all the teachers lived in constant fear of this.
All it took was one completely baseless accusation and your life and career were ruined. High school teachers were at the mercy of 2000 kids every single day. Only took one to start some nonsense like that.
Oh, I remember one crazy girl started a rumour about a teacher in my school because she was jealous he got attention after his kid went for his 3rd round of chemo.
The real funny thing about that is the top comment is "get a lawyer that is defamation" which shows not only how dumb teachers are, it shows that they apparently believe that somehow a teacher can sue a student for defamation and win.
Reading through these reddit comments is pretty fascinating. They recognize all of the problems but their programming doesn't allow them to find the root causes so they keep spouting about more funding.
Yep, just throw more taxpayer money at the problem. Always works.
Edit: Also there's something just so annoying about the "I'm so sorry this happened, that must be so traumatizing. Internet hugs!" comments. They all have this infantile way of addressing issues.
I'd certainly like to think a few of my teachers who were not now retired might fit in with that exceptional 10%. Even a few left leaning teachers I had back then. My HS journalism teacher for instance was a huge proponent of free speech (and not just freedom of the press) and tried to instill a sense of duty in trying to maintain journalistic accuracy and integrity. He loved the constitution, especially the bill of rights. Was not a fan of Communism, but also wasn't a fan of the US' handling of wars like Vietnam. And was also very much against the Patriot Act.
I've often wondered how he handled this bumpy ride over the last few years. I honestly don't think he would've compromised his principles, but man I don't know how he would've been able to process or deal with all of this without nearly losing his mind.
The problem with basing pay on literacy and math rates is that you're basically paying the teachers based on how shitty their school's demographics are. Unless the goal is to just drastically cut wasteful spending by not pouring money into trying to educate sub-humans, which I guess makes sense.
Indeed. I'd fathomed this as a really risky and plausible scenario that HS teachers probably had to be wary of, even decades ago.
Depressing how that kind of reality just sucks the humanity out of how people can reasonably interact in these kinds of environments. Makes actual, positive mentorships between teachers and students, or other similar situations an ancient thing of the past. Well that, and that there are legitimate concerns for when a teacher is indeed a creepy piece of filth.
I don't know. I mean I really enjoyed public school when I was a kid, and would hate to see my kids miss out on some of those same kinds of experiences.
Unfortunately, the educational environment today is nothing like when I was growing up. It's a lose-lose situation. And you're not going to be able to provide anything close to the same sort of social environment when homeschooling (assuming clownworld wasn't a factor that is)
This is false. There's studies that indicate home-schooled children are BETTER socialized than kids who go to academic institutions.
That's because the kinds of socialization that goes on in schools is abusive. Teachers promote propaganda, kids pressure other kids to adhere to the conventions which are determined by a deteriorating and degenerate culture that oppresses straight white men and unjustly elevates gay colored women. Gaslighting kids nonstop about social justice garbage that is counter to their intuition and a true understanding of reality. It's like putting your kid through torture. They aren't better socialized, they develop PTSD instead. Home-schooled kids are actually the normal kids who are well-adjusted and socialized. The kids who go to public school are the mental basket cases.
Even without the anti-white male bullshit the socialization was still abusive. When I was in school teachers wouldn't have dreamed of pushing their politics on kids. It didn't stop the little bastards from forming their diseased pecking orders and making life a living hell for the kids who weren't in the in group. It took me years of being exposed to heathy social environments in college and at work to undo all the damage that public schools did to me. The SJW crap is just icing on the shit cake.
See, that's what's so strange for me. My high school had almost none of the usual cliquish crap and bullying going on. Hells, nerds basically got along with jocks just fine, cheerleaders weren't stuck up bitches. Wasn't until maybe my senior year when a wave of bad apples from the sophomore newcomers that I started to see anything turn remotely sour.
I will say that elementary school and middle school were most certainly hell though. And this was all within the same school district, so I'm not entirely sure why it played out that way.
Well, I mean aside from some more obvious variables. (IE, very much a middle-class suburban-mildly rural demographic, far fewer broken homes in the state, exceedingly low crime, etc etc).
It largely depends on the quality of the school and the student body in question. I mean I do thoroughly remember both the bad and the good from public school, and was very much aware of how much worse things might've been if I was attending a particularly shitty school instead.
I'm also aware of the downsides as it pertains to how the curriculum, especially in the US, is "universalized" for convenience and expediency, and how that can muck up gifted minds. I had a high school teacher who mentioned such an experience with his own son, in regards to mathematics.
And I already covered how shitty much social justice and general clownworld make today's public schools an almost certain and probable nightmare.
I think there probably could be a happier and healthy medium, hybrid of the two (IE, some courses being taken in public school classrooms while others being homeschooled). Alas, there's a fat chance of that ever working out in the dumpster fire that is today, and there's not a snowball's chance in hell you can safely negotiate with any politicians or school authorities today.
A hybrid isn't ideal. We want women out of the workforce and back at home caring for children anyway. It leads to a much happier outcome for the men, the children and the women in society. Public education should be 100% abolished and everyone's taxes should be lowered from the cost savings.
I could argue with you further on this, but it's clear we won't see eye to eye. I get where you're coming from, but I personally think it sounds like a horribly dull and depressing setup.
It was certainly approached more balanced and rationale back then.
Today just about every company, institution, and professional would rather throw a person to the wolves for political and monetary convenience than ever bother to defend someone with a solid defense.
Oh, unless that person just HAPPENS to be a LGBTwhatever, an ethnic minority, or a woman.
Because teachers freaked the fuck out back during covid, when all of a sudden parents could actually sit in and listen to all the lessons these teachers were doing.
For some strange reason, they took offense to that. Can't imagine why.
For those who don't keep up with the nonsense, a big thing in feminism right now is pushing men into "HEAL" (health, education, administration, literacy) careers. I won't pretend to know what the last 2 mean, but in practice they're trying to get men to become nurses and teachers. Nursing is a miserable job, and any man who's interested in healthcare should become a PA or a doctor. He'll get paid better and won't have to worry about coming across as a faggot. I'm actually in favor of more male teachers provided they aren't soy boys because boys need positive male role models. But this kind of crap is why men should avoid teaching like the plague. It's not reasonable to ask men to martyr themselves like this, especially for what teachers get paid. Which of course segues into the pay problem. Women can do those jobs because they can get a husband who earns the real money while she LARPs as a Strong Independent Woman. A man can't support anyone on that kind of salary. Let's also keep in mind that the whole purpose of this scheme is to push men out of STEM so women can steal the good jobs.
I've worked healthcare jobs, they're super hostile to men. Everything I or another guy (who was my best co-worker and lasted 3 weeks) is harshly scrutinized, while everything the women do is incompetent but fine.
Let's be real, that's women in every job
Which is why women shouldn't be in the workplace.
Because nursing and teaching is the angle we use when they point out gender disparity for ceo and other cushy jobs of power.
Tell me about it. With a few exceptions the best professors I've had are older white dudes because they had to earn their positions instead having it handed to them as part of a DIE scheme. In undergrad I avoided one female professor like the plague after taking a W in one of her classes. I suspect she's a man hater, but considering what one of the female students in that class told me it's possible that she's just an incompetent retard. I ended up getting my letters of recommendation from those older white dudes that they're so eager to get rid of.
I think a lot of the women teachers end up bitter towards the male teachers because a lot of the students end up liking them more.
Men, particularly, left teaching for a reason.
Kids aren't stupid, and it didn't take girls long to realise that if the teacher's male, all it takes is one "the teacher touched me" story to end a teacher's career.
Whether it happened or not.
Particularly when, these days, coordinating a group to make accusations of the same man at the same time is trivially easy.
You would have to be insane to want to be a teacher these days.
And the truly galling thing is that the administration is fully against them from the very beginning. One of these little shits can run their mouth and instantly no one is on your side and your whole career is destroyed.
I had a gym teacher in 8th grade who almost got fired (potentially arrested) because he made one of the girls in my class run laps and she accused him of touching her. I and pretty much everyone else actually heard her say it was because she didn't want to run laps, so it didn't go anywhere. But if she'd kept it to herself, he'd have been fucked.
Blyat, indeed.
There are a couple of exceptions.
Mental health nursing, we need large men who are basically security guards with health training, you need to be able to command respect and also tackle and hold people down till the meds kick in. Prison guards for schizophrenics basically.
Anesthetist nurse. High paying, basically just working under the anethetist themselves and administering meds. Reasonably split at around 50/50, and that's only cause so many of the earlier steps are female dominated. If the training that fed into it weren't so biased it would be 98/2. It's very well paying.
And there are others. It's a shame they are called 'nurse' really, because those are jobs that are suited to males, other than the name.
As a general rule sure, don't become a nurse lads. But there are a couple of 'nursing' roles which are male suited and male dominated. Or at least reasonably split, because they require male skills and physique, and which we do need as a society.
Is that really a good job though? Like are they paid well and respected? I know a major complaint that men who go into these kinds of fields have is that they're always assigned violent and unruly patients/clients/whatever. Fair point about anesthetist nurse, and as you said that one would benefit from a name change.
Obviously the work itself is shit, you're dealing with the kind of people no-one wants to work with all other things being equal. Yeah, that's the point. That's where the males are needed. Same as policing and the army.
Pay is hard to say because of how nurses are graded and all the different quals, it ranges from 'about average for educated' up to 'damn nice but not anesthetist nice', depending on which qual you have, where I am.
E: Oh, I and remembered a 3rd group. Military stuff, better ratios there.
Med schools are taking mostly women for Drs and PAs now.
I dunno if you saw my post a while back about going "undercover" in my school district but one thing I neglected to mention there was that all the teachers lived in constant fear of this.
All it took was one completely baseless accusation and your life and career were ruined. High school teachers were at the mercy of 2000 kids every single day. Only took one to start some nonsense like that.
Oh, I remember one crazy girl started a rumour about a teacher in my school because she was jealous he got attention after his kid went for his 3rd round of chemo.
The real funny thing about that is the top comment is "get a lawyer that is defamation" which shows not only how dumb teachers are, it shows that they apparently believe that somehow a teacher can sue a student for defamation and win.
How sheltered are these people?
Reading through these reddit comments is pretty fascinating. They recognize all of the problems but their programming doesn't allow them to find the root causes so they keep spouting about more funding.
Yep, just throw more taxpayer money at the problem. Always works.
Edit: Also there's something just so annoying about the "I'm so sorry this happened, that must be so traumatizing. Internet hugs!" comments. They all have this infantile way of addressing issues.
The typical flowery and meaningless NPC response, essentially.
Pretty much agreed.
I'd certainly like to think a few of my teachers who were not now retired might fit in with that exceptional 10%. Even a few left leaning teachers I had back then. My HS journalism teacher for instance was a huge proponent of free speech (and not just freedom of the press) and tried to instill a sense of duty in trying to maintain journalistic accuracy and integrity. He loved the constitution, especially the bill of rights. Was not a fan of Communism, but also wasn't a fan of the US' handling of wars like Vietnam. And was also very much against the Patriot Act.
I've often wondered how he handled this bumpy ride over the last few years. I honestly don't think he would've compromised his principles, but man I don't know how he would've been able to process or deal with all of this without nearly losing his mind.
The problem with basing pay on literacy and math rates is that you're basically paying the teachers based on how shitty their school's demographics are. Unless the goal is to just drastically cut wasteful spending by not pouring money into trying to educate sub-humans, which I guess makes sense.
I absolutely disagree. There's only so much you can do to improve the rates when your students are averaging an IQ of 70.
Even when I was a teenager, which was 20 years ago, it was obvious to me then that female teens had more authority and power than adult male teachers.
Indeed. I'd fathomed this as a really risky and plausible scenario that HS teachers probably had to be wary of, even decades ago.
Depressing how that kind of reality just sucks the humanity out of how people can reasonably interact in these kinds of environments. Makes actual, positive mentorships between teachers and students, or other similar situations an ancient thing of the past. Well that, and that there are legitimate concerns for when a teacher is indeed a creepy piece of filth.
It's just another reason why people should really be home-schooling their kids.
I don't know. I mean I really enjoyed public school when I was a kid, and would hate to see my kids miss out on some of those same kinds of experiences.
Unfortunately, the educational environment today is nothing like when I was growing up. It's a lose-lose situation. And you're not going to be able to provide anything close to the same sort of social environment when homeschooling (assuming clownworld wasn't a factor that is)
This is false. There's studies that indicate home-schooled children are BETTER socialized than kids who go to academic institutions.
That's because the kinds of socialization that goes on in schools is abusive. Teachers promote propaganda, kids pressure other kids to adhere to the conventions which are determined by a deteriorating and degenerate culture that oppresses straight white men and unjustly elevates gay colored women. Gaslighting kids nonstop about social justice garbage that is counter to their intuition and a true understanding of reality. It's like putting your kid through torture. They aren't better socialized, they develop PTSD instead. Home-schooled kids are actually the normal kids who are well-adjusted and socialized. The kids who go to public school are the mental basket cases.
Even without the anti-white male bullshit the socialization was still abusive. When I was in school teachers wouldn't have dreamed of pushing their politics on kids. It didn't stop the little bastards from forming their diseased pecking orders and making life a living hell for the kids who weren't in the in group. It took me years of being exposed to heathy social environments in college and at work to undo all the damage that public schools did to me. The SJW crap is just icing on the shit cake.
See, that's what's so strange for me. My high school had almost none of the usual cliquish crap and bullying going on. Hells, nerds basically got along with jocks just fine, cheerleaders weren't stuck up bitches. Wasn't until maybe my senior year when a wave of bad apples from the sophomore newcomers that I started to see anything turn remotely sour.
I will say that elementary school and middle school were most certainly hell though. And this was all within the same school district, so I'm not entirely sure why it played out that way.
Well, I mean aside from some more obvious variables. (IE, very much a middle-class suburban-mildly rural demographic, far fewer broken homes in the state, exceedingly low crime, etc etc).
Agreed.
It largely depends on the quality of the school and the student body in question. I mean I do thoroughly remember both the bad and the good from public school, and was very much aware of how much worse things might've been if I was attending a particularly shitty school instead.
I'm also aware of the downsides as it pertains to how the curriculum, especially in the US, is "universalized" for convenience and expediency, and how that can muck up gifted minds. I had a high school teacher who mentioned such an experience with his own son, in regards to mathematics.
And I already covered how shitty much social justice and general clownworld make today's public schools an almost certain and probable nightmare.
I think there probably could be a happier and healthy medium, hybrid of the two (IE, some courses being taken in public school classrooms while others being homeschooled). Alas, there's a fat chance of that ever working out in the dumpster fire that is today, and there's not a snowball's chance in hell you can safely negotiate with any politicians or school authorities today.
A hybrid isn't ideal. We want women out of the workforce and back at home caring for children anyway. It leads to a much happier outcome for the men, the children and the women in society. Public education should be 100% abolished and everyone's taxes should be lowered from the cost savings.
I could argue with you further on this, but it's clear we won't see eye to eye. I get where you're coming from, but I personally think it sounds like a horribly dull and depressing setup.
It was certainly approached more balanced and rationale back then.
Today just about every company, institution, and professional would rather throw a person to the wolves for political and monetary convenience than ever bother to defend someone with a solid defense.
Oh, unless that person just HAPPENS to be a LGBTwhatever, an ethnic minority, or a woman.
They're not just avoiding these professions, they're being actively run out of them.
Why the fuck would you be a teacher and be forced to teach curriculum that's set by marxists?
Could this whole thing have been avoided with a trip to urban dictionary?
OP on reddit said he changed the name to Becky and that's not what the girls actually said.
Good thought though.
I've had some pressure to become a high school teacher. No real desire to do so. They only see me as over 6 feet tall and demanding respect.
People who want to brainwash and fuck your kids will claim having cameras in classrooms violates the privacy of the kids.
Because teachers freaked the fuck out back during covid, when all of a sudden parents could actually sit in and listen to all the lessons these teachers were doing.
For some strange reason, they took offense to that. Can't imagine why.
And teacher unions are a big, big thing.
I'd wear a body cam like a police officer.
Yeah, I wouldn't put up with this either, but our tranny janny has a hard on for whacking me with rule 2 so I didn't bring this aspect up.