After last night's shit show I don't think it matters who the Republicans run in 2024. DeSantis won because he was able to ensure a clean election in Florida. No Republican candidate will be able to do that nationally. Look at Georgia. They have a Republican trifecta at the state level and they still can't stop the Dem's fraud machine. I've never been as black pilled as a lot of posters here but I think our goose is cooked. It doesn't matter how well the Republicans do. The Democrats and their Libertarian butt buddies will cheat to make sure the GOP never wins again.
Yeah I was just thinking that after I posted my top level comment. How convenient that we got fucked on the one election that matters in that state but the pair of jackasses who signed off on the con sailed to reelection. This is a uniparty problem rather than solely a Dem problem. Look at McConnell. He'd rather let the left impose one party rule than give MAGA a seat at the table. He belongs in a ditch alongside the "Libertarian" traitors.
Kemp got 74% in the primary when he was polling at 50ish. Against a Trump endorsed Perdue (who was polling at 40%) In GA we know he let them do the steal, and 74% of the vote is a rare freak occurrence in most of the world. Let alone when he was polling substantially lower. Besides Kemp, the SOS ratfaceburger, and the AG, all the Trump endorsed people gained massive boosts if I recall correctly.
Simply not possible without fraud. And Perdue simply does not challenge it either. No attempt at a legal battle or anything like so many of trumps worst picks. He was a shit candidate who would have lost regardless, but him losing so badly with the Trump endorsement was impossible.
Georgia has open primaries: Dems can vote in the Republican primary-- I don't know why they wouldn't have, if Kemp was the man they wanted Abrams to beat.
Once corruption settles in to the vote counting, it's over. Forever. Metastatic cancer.
When peaceful reform is impossible, violent reform in inevitable. I used to think this, but I see how Brazil is currently dealing with their stolen election and I compare with here, I can conclude we don't even fucking deserve it.
Running as Democrats isn't a bad idea, and it's one I've been thinking about. Then we pull a Romney and stab that evil party in the back. As for moving it's slim pickings. You're not gonna find a place with better gun laws, but if the Dems get their way that difference will disappear. Eastern Europe would probably be the best bet.
Trumpers lying about fraud to cover for their wannabe strong man while he knifes republicans in the back and robs them blind (Trump's picked candidates raised enormous sums for him and he selfishly kept almost all of it for himself, giving them almost nothing in return) is hurting the Republican party, the Right, and is the best thing to happen to the Democrats in a generation.
Trump was nothing but a meme president who did a good job stirring the pot and creating a pandemic of TDS, but he is now a millstone around the neck of the Right, he's a loser, and he needs to get out of the way.
Dump Trump. Desantis is the future for the Right in America.
Lets talk about fraud. There are a bunch of different things that fall under the umbrella of "voter fraud", some of which are more factual than others.
Things that there's actual evidence of:
People who are ineligible to vote voting. People who become felons, move out of the district, illegals, etc.
People who can vote but vote in invalid ways. In GA for example, you cannot allow ballot harvesters take your vote. Doing so invalidates that ballot.
People voting on behalf of others without consent. There's evidence of nursing home workers voting the ballots of residents without their consent.
Things that there's no evidence of:
Ballots created in bulk by elections officials to sway a race.
Ballot counting machines that just make up the vote totals in favor of one candidate.
Most of the Trump cope comes in the form of the latter accusations.
There have been many audits. Since the trumpers are liars whose goal is to de-legitimize the elections so that they don't have to admit trump is a loser, they will never accept any audit, and will always make some excuse.
This shit is why I'm convinced you're controlled opposition.
You try to make right-wing arguments, but your Neo-Liberalism narratives, mixed with your desire to create a combative Republican primary scream subversion.
Even fucking Ted Cruz can see the issue with Trump's funding was distributing the funds to the wrong races, not to "keeping it for himself". Moreover was the massive lack of funding he actually engaged in anyway.
When I trust Ted Cruz more than you, I don't trust you.
DeSantis is going to be the nominee in 2024. Trump is a loser. He lost against sleepy Joe Biden in 2024 because he alienated voters with his stupid tweets. Trump's hand-picked candidates almost all lost now in 2022, and they all consistently unperformed. The only shining beacon of hope for the Right was the utter blowout in Florida where formerly-close districts are now voting solid red by huge margins.
Democrats successfully used Trump as a weapon against Republicans even now in 2022, by making election deniers and loyalty oaths to Trump a big part of their closing argument for this election. Their argument was successful. The destruction of the red wave was because of (1) Trump stink turning off swing voters, and (2) Trump's sabotage of primaries to get shit tier "trumpy" candidates which were not electable.
As far as I'm concerned, people like you might as well be a Democrat psyop meant to destroy the Right by turning it into some kind of fascistic Authright shit that the Democrats full well know will alienate swing voters, dooming the right to permanent minority status.
but muh Ted Cruz
You don't link a source, so why should I believe you or your characterization of Cruz? You're not an unbiased source, and I don't trust you. I looked up an actual source which discussed the real facts:
"Save America PAC, which Trump created after he lost the 2020 election, has spent about $36 million, according to OpenSecrets.org. It appears the money has been mostly spent on administrative expenses, attorney fees, salaries and on fundraising activities, such as web ads."
Trump famously recently did a "fundraiser" for Blake Masters, one of his hand picked candidates, which had a 99% Trump to 1% Masters split for donations.
Go ahead and cite to me any "wrong race" that Trump distributed a lot of money to while he sat on his $100 million dragon's hoard. Go ahead, I'll wait.
As far as I'm concerned, people like you might as well be a Democrat psyop
Yeah, confession through projection & DARVO
Anyway, the evidence we are actually seeing is that Trump needs to give more red meat to the base, rather than less, which is the opposite of most political strategy. Doing Right-Of-Center appeals is actually hurting the Republicans. The hard-core rightists had a relatively easy go of it so far, including DeSantis in the first place. JD Vance's success is another.
fascistic Authright
You're obviously a Leftist. Literally no fascists ran. Literally no authoritarian right ran.
Trump was nothing but a meme president who did a good job stirring the pot and creating a pandemic of TDS, but he is now a millstone around the neck of the Right, he's a loser, and he needs to get out of the way.Dump Trump. Desantis is the future for the Right in America.
I have to agree. I don't like the idea of putting all the eggs in one Floridian basket, but there are simply no alternatives . . . at least not yet.
If DeSantis runs, he can whip Trump easily in primaries. He just needs to stay away from ANY D talking points in his anti-Trump campaign . . . maybe even reconcile after being nominated by offering Trump the VP, which he would naturally refuse after throwing every Trump-style insult at the guy for the entire primary campaign.
Trump out performs Republicans absolutely everywhere. Hell, take the Oz Fetterman race for example. Diving into the county by county level it's very clear that Oz lost because he did better than Trump in deep blue areas but underperformed in deep red areas. He vastly underperformed because he didn't motivate swathes of people who would have absolutely gotten out to vote if orange man was on the ballot.
As much as I appreciate some of your posts, sometimes I get the odd feeling you just take whatever Ben Shapiro says and go around parroting it. Because this comment reads exactly like some retarded shit he would spout.
Yeah, that seems to be the shocking part that a lot of his type, and RINO's refuse to accept.
There is a deep red fucking base that is far larger than anyone belives, and winning over the center-left is actually a losing proposition. Trump isn't a God Emperor, and he wants to portray himself as a Kingmaker; but the truth is that he is just an Avatar for something far larger.
Look at JD Vance by comparison to Dr. Oz. Oz is clearly a celebrity slime-ball that Trump figured could win because of personality. JD Vance is not a charisma machine, but holy shit does he speak to the rural midwestern poor and lower-class. No surprise he wrote Hillbilly Eulogy. That, and he's absolutely one of our guys. Winning Rob Portman's seat was going to be a win, but he fucking absolutely trounced Tim Ryan because the deep red parts of the country can be energized.
The republican base is much further right than the party. You could openly run race realists as candidates and your major opposition would be the establishment, not the base.
In the interest of steelmanning positions, I will say that it seems Vance feels abandoned by Trump. He is still pushing the same policies, but when he was giving his thank you’s, Trump was not on the list. Could be nothing, but still a data point to consider.
Not that The Turtle and RNC helped much either. They deserve the lions share of the blame, but Trump is not innocent either.
Trump out performs Republicans absolutely everywhere.
That simply isn't true. The "trumpy" candidates generally did about the same or worse as trump, and trump lost, so they lost.
Meanwhile in Florida, the election most untainted by Trump since DeSantis is seen as his rival, it was an absolute blowout where Republicans massively outperformed Trump's 2020 numbers.
As much as I appreciate some of your posts, sometimes I get the odd feeling you just take whatever Ben Shapiro says and go around parroting it. Because this comment reads exactly like some retarded shit he would spout.
I think for myself. I happen to agree with Ben Shapiro most of the time - not always - because he's a smart man who knows his shit. Far moreso than the people in this sub, which is why he's got the #1 conservative podcast and is essentially this generation's successor to Rush Limbaugh. Ben Shapiro is far, far closer to the pulse of the American Right than this sub is. This sub can be fringe as fuck and totally out of touch with mainstream conservatism.
I'm not talking about "Trumpy" whatever the hell that even means. I'm talking about Trump himself. There aren't many places where some generic ass Republican runs ahead of Trump. Its not like they don't exist but in most places that actually matters he beats them.
After last night's shit show I don't think it matters who the Republicans run in 2024. DeSantis won because he was able to ensure a clean election in Florida. No Republican candidate will be able to do that nationally. Look at Georgia. They have a Republican trifecta at the state level and they still can't stop the Dem's fraud machine. I've never been as black pilled as a lot of posters here but I think our goose is cooked. It doesn't matter how well the Republicans do. The Democrats and their Libertarian butt buddies will cheat to make sure the GOP never wins again.
The Republicans in Georgia are part of the fraud machine.
Yeah I was just thinking that after I posted my top level comment. How convenient that we got fucked on the one election that matters in that state but the pair of jackasses who signed off on the con sailed to reelection. This is a uniparty problem rather than solely a Dem problem. Look at McConnell. He'd rather let the left impose one party rule than give MAGA a seat at the table. He belongs in a ditch alongside the "Libertarian" traitors.
Kemp got 74% in the primary when he was polling at 50ish. Against a Trump endorsed Perdue (who was polling at 40%) In GA we know he let them do the steal, and 74% of the vote is a rare freak occurrence in most of the world. Let alone when he was polling substantially lower. Besides Kemp, the SOS ratfaceburger, and the AG, all the Trump endorsed people gained massive boosts if I recall correctly.
Simply not possible without fraud. And Perdue simply does not challenge it either. No attempt at a legal battle or anything like so many of trumps worst picks. He was a shit candidate who would have lost regardless, but him losing so badly with the Trump endorsement was impossible.
Georgia has open primaries: Dems can vote in the Republican primary-- I don't know why they wouldn't have, if Kemp was the man they wanted Abrams to beat.
Once corruption settles in to the vote counting, it's over. Forever. Metastatic cancer.
When peaceful reform is impossible, violent reform in inevitable. I used to think this, but I see how Brazil is currently dealing with their stolen election and I compare with here, I can conclude we don't even fucking deserve it.
I'm black pilled too but we have to do something. 1) Move out of the US. Where? Happy to hear recommendations .
These are the only 2 ideas i have.
Running as Democrats isn't a bad idea, and it's one I've been thinking about. Then we pull a Romney and stab that evil party in the back. As for moving it's slim pickings. You're not gonna find a place with better gun laws, but if the Dems get their way that difference will disappear. Eastern Europe would probably be the best bet.
Trump cost Republicans the election, not fraud.
Trumpers lying about fraud to cover for their wannabe strong man while he knifes republicans in the back and robs them blind (Trump's picked candidates raised enormous sums for him and he selfishly kept almost all of it for himself, giving them almost nothing in return) is hurting the Republican party, the Right, and is the best thing to happen to the Democrats in a generation.
Trump was nothing but a meme president who did a good job stirring the pot and creating a pandemic of TDS, but he is now a millstone around the neck of the Right, he's a loser, and he needs to get out of the way.
Dump Trump. Desantis is the future for the Right in America.
The only lie about fraud is coming from the side that benefited, and continued to benefit, by engaging in fraud.
Trump and his supporters lie about fraud as a cope, when the reality is that Trump is a loser.
Lets talk about fraud. There are a bunch of different things that fall under the umbrella of "voter fraud", some of which are more factual than others.
Things that there's actual evidence of:
Things that there's no evidence of:
Most of the Trump cope comes in the form of the latter accusations.
they could easily put the fraud claim to death by a full forensic audit of the election.
the only reason they don't is because they know they'd be caught.
There have been many audits. Since the trumpers are liars whose goal is to de-legitimize the elections so that they don't have to admit trump is a loser, they will never accept any audit, and will always make some excuse.
Wrong. There was only one forensic audit and the results were buried.
Recounting fraudulent ballots isn't an audit.
Recounts are not audits.
174 Trump backed candidates won so far, 9 didn't (so far).
Yet you think Trump was the problem?
Fuck off, retard.
That's not a really accurate measurement. Trump backing a guy in an R+20 district is different to Trump backing a close race and winning.
Got a source for those numbers you just pulled out of your ass, retard?
All the high profile "Trump" candidates lost, and it cost Republicans the Senate, for a second time.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/trump-backed-174-winning-candidates-far-gop-elites-rinos-slam-president-trump-anyways/
Try not to be so retarded in the future.
Also, be a decent faggot and apologise for being such a lying faggot.
This shit is why I'm convinced you're controlled opposition.
You try to make right-wing arguments, but your Neo-Liberalism narratives, mixed with your desire to create a combative Republican primary scream subversion.
Even fucking Ted Cruz can see the issue with Trump's funding was distributing the funds to the wrong races, not to "keeping it for himself". Moreover was the massive lack of funding he actually engaged in anyway.
When I trust Ted Cruz more than you, I don't trust you.
DeSantis is going to be the nominee in 2024. Trump is a loser. He lost against sleepy Joe Biden in 2024 because he alienated voters with his stupid tweets. Trump's hand-picked candidates almost all lost now in 2022, and they all consistently unperformed. The only shining beacon of hope for the Right was the utter blowout in Florida where formerly-close districts are now voting solid red by huge margins.
Democrats successfully used Trump as a weapon against Republicans even now in 2022, by making election deniers and loyalty oaths to Trump a big part of their closing argument for this election. Their argument was successful. The destruction of the red wave was because of (1) Trump stink turning off swing voters, and (2) Trump's sabotage of primaries to get shit tier "trumpy" candidates which were not electable.
As far as I'm concerned, people like you might as well be a Democrat psyop meant to destroy the Right by turning it into some kind of fascistic Authright shit that the Democrats full well know will alienate swing voters, dooming the right to permanent minority status.
You don't link a source, so why should I believe you or your characterization of Cruz? You're not an unbiased source, and I don't trust you. I looked up an actual source which discussed the real facts:
"Trump has certainly been hoarding the money at the Save America PAC, sitting on about $100 million in cash and giving out relatively little to fellow Republicans."
"Save America PAC, which Trump created after he lost the 2020 election, has spent about $36 million, according to OpenSecrets.org. It appears the money has been mostly spent on administrative expenses, attorney fees, salaries and on fundraising activities, such as web ads."
Trump famously recently did a "fundraiser" for Blake Masters, one of his hand picked candidates, which had a 99% Trump to 1% Masters split for donations.
Go ahead and cite to me any "wrong race" that Trump distributed a lot of money to while he sat on his $100 million dragon's hoard. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Yeah, confession through projection & DARVO
Anyway, the evidence we are actually seeing is that Trump needs to give more red meat to the base, rather than less, which is the opposite of most political strategy. Doing Right-Of-Center appeals is actually hurting the Republicans. The hard-core rightists had a relatively easy go of it so far, including DeSantis in the first place. JD Vance's success is another.
You're obviously a Leftist. Literally no fascists ran. Literally no authoritarian right ran.
Never mind all of Desantis's anti-fraud measures that he and only a few other R's implemented.
I have to agree. I don't like the idea of putting all the eggs in one Floridian basket, but there are simply no alternatives . . . at least not yet.
If DeSantis runs, he can whip Trump easily in primaries. He just needs to stay away from ANY D talking points in his anti-Trump campaign . . . maybe even reconcile after being nominated by offering Trump the VP, which he would naturally refuse after throwing every Trump-style insult at the guy for the entire primary campaign.
Trump out performs Republicans absolutely everywhere. Hell, take the Oz Fetterman race for example. Diving into the county by county level it's very clear that Oz lost because he did better than Trump in deep blue areas but underperformed in deep red areas. He vastly underperformed because he didn't motivate swathes of people who would have absolutely gotten out to vote if orange man was on the ballot.
As much as I appreciate some of your posts, sometimes I get the odd feeling you just take whatever Ben Shapiro says and go around parroting it. Because this comment reads exactly like some retarded shit he would spout.
Yeah, that seems to be the shocking part that a lot of his type, and RINO's refuse to accept.
There is a deep red fucking base that is far larger than anyone belives, and winning over the center-left is actually a losing proposition. Trump isn't a God Emperor, and he wants to portray himself as a Kingmaker; but the truth is that he is just an Avatar for something far larger.
Look at JD Vance by comparison to Dr. Oz. Oz is clearly a celebrity slime-ball that Trump figured could win because of personality. JD Vance is not a charisma machine, but holy shit does he speak to the rural midwestern poor and lower-class. No surprise he wrote Hillbilly Eulogy. That, and he's absolutely one of our guys. Winning Rob Portman's seat was going to be a win, but he fucking absolutely trounced Tim Ryan because the deep red parts of the country can be energized.
The republican base is much further right than the party. You could openly run race realists as candidates and your major opposition would be the establishment, not the base.
In the interest of steelmanning positions, I will say that it seems Vance feels abandoned by Trump. He is still pushing the same policies, but when he was giving his thank you’s, Trump was not on the list. Could be nothing, but still a data point to consider.
Not that The Turtle and RNC helped much either. They deserve the lions share of the blame, but Trump is not innocent either.
That simply isn't true. The "trumpy" candidates generally did about the same or worse as trump, and trump lost, so they lost.
Meanwhile in Florida, the election most untainted by Trump since DeSantis is seen as his rival, it was an absolute blowout where Republicans massively outperformed Trump's 2020 numbers.
I think for myself. I happen to agree with Ben Shapiro most of the time - not always - because he's a smart man who knows his shit. Far moreso than the people in this sub, which is why he's got the #1 conservative podcast and is essentially this generation's successor to Rush Limbaugh. Ben Shapiro is far, far closer to the pulse of the American Right than this sub is. This sub can be fringe as fuck and totally out of touch with mainstream conservatism.
I'm not talking about "Trumpy" whatever the hell that even means. I'm talking about Trump himself. There aren't many places where some generic ass Republican runs ahead of Trump. Its not like they don't exist but in most places that actually matters he beats them.