Trumpers lying about fraud to cover for their wannabe strong man while he knifes republicans in the back and robs them blind (Trump's picked candidates raised enormous sums for him and he selfishly kept almost all of it for himself, giving them almost nothing in return) is hurting the Republican party, the Right, and is the best thing to happen to the Democrats in a generation.
Trump was nothing but a meme president who did a good job stirring the pot and creating a pandemic of TDS, but he is now a millstone around the neck of the Right, he's a loser, and he needs to get out of the way.
Dump Trump. Desantis is the future for the Right in America.
Lets talk about fraud. There are a bunch of different things that fall under the umbrella of "voter fraud", some of which are more factual than others.
Things that there's actual evidence of:
People who are ineligible to vote voting. People who become felons, move out of the district, illegals, etc.
People who can vote but vote in invalid ways. In GA for example, you cannot allow ballot harvesters take your vote. Doing so invalidates that ballot.
People voting on behalf of others without consent. There's evidence of nursing home workers voting the ballots of residents without their consent.
Things that there's no evidence of:
Ballots created in bulk by elections officials to sway a race.
Ballot counting machines that just make up the vote totals in favor of one candidate.
Most of the Trump cope comes in the form of the latter accusations.
In GA, for example, the Republican-controlled election officials did extensive investigations (hundreds) and found some small-scale voter fraud, but it was nowhere near enough to actually change the outcome of the election. It was maybe in the hundreds of votes, with no grand conspiracies, when trump needed in the tens of thousands.
There have been many audits. Since the trumpers are liars whose goal is to de-legitimize the elections so that they don't have to admit trump is a loser, they will never accept any audit, and will always make some excuse.
This shit is why I'm convinced you're controlled opposition.
You try to make right-wing arguments, but your Neo-Liberalism narratives, mixed with your desire to create a combative Republican primary scream subversion.
Even fucking Ted Cruz can see the issue with Trump's funding was distributing the funds to the wrong races, not to "keeping it for himself". Moreover was the massive lack of funding he actually engaged in anyway.
When I trust Ted Cruz more than you, I don't trust you.
DeSantis is going to be the nominee in 2024. Trump is a loser. He lost against sleepy Joe Biden in 2024 because he alienated voters with his stupid tweets. Trump's hand-picked candidates almost all lost now in 2022, and they all consistently unperformed. The only shining beacon of hope for the Right was the utter blowout in Florida where formerly-close districts are now voting solid red by huge margins.
Democrats successfully used Trump as a weapon against Republicans even now in 2022, by making election deniers and loyalty oaths to Trump a big part of their closing argument for this election. Their argument was successful. The destruction of the red wave was because of (1) Trump stink turning off swing voters, and (2) Trump's sabotage of primaries to get shit tier "trumpy" candidates which were not electable.
As far as I'm concerned, people like you might as well be a Democrat psyop meant to destroy the Right by turning it into some kind of fascistic Authright shit that the Democrats full well know will alienate swing voters, dooming the right to permanent minority status.
but muh Ted Cruz
You don't link a source, so why should I believe you or your characterization of Cruz? You're not an unbiased source, and I don't trust you. I looked up an actual source which discussed the real facts:
"Save America PAC, which Trump created after he lost the 2020 election, has spent about $36 million, according to OpenSecrets.org. It appears the money has been mostly spent on administrative expenses, attorney fees, salaries and on fundraising activities, such as web ads."
Trump famously recently did a "fundraiser" for Blake Masters, one of his hand picked candidates, which had a 99% Trump to 1% Masters split for donations.
Go ahead and cite to me any "wrong race" that Trump distributed a lot of money to while he sat on his $100 million dragon's hoard. Go ahead, I'll wait.
As far as I'm concerned, people like you might as well be a Democrat psyop
Yeah, confession through projection & DARVO
Anyway, the evidence we are actually seeing is that Trump needs to give more red meat to the base, rather than less, which is the opposite of most political strategy. Doing Right-Of-Center appeals is actually hurting the Republicans. The hard-core rightists had a relatively easy go of it so far, including DeSantis in the first place. JD Vance's success is another.
fascistic Authright
You're obviously a Leftist. Literally no fascists ran. Literally no authoritarian right ran.
You voted for a Democrat, because of "adequate physiognomy". I would never vote for a Democrat. You also lobby against voting straight ticket Republican even though the US political system is a right/left dichotomy where democrat = left and republican = right.
The problem with this sub is that it has too many autists in it who don't know how to act like adults, you included.
Your comment that I'm replying to now is outside what I consider acceptable discourse. Too many personal attacks and schizo shit. So I'll be blocking you. Bye.
Trump cost Republicans the election, not fraud.
Trumpers lying about fraud to cover for their wannabe strong man while he knifes republicans in the back and robs them blind (Trump's picked candidates raised enormous sums for him and he selfishly kept almost all of it for himself, giving them almost nothing in return) is hurting the Republican party, the Right, and is the best thing to happen to the Democrats in a generation.
Trump was nothing but a meme president who did a good job stirring the pot and creating a pandemic of TDS, but he is now a millstone around the neck of the Right, he's a loser, and he needs to get out of the way.
Dump Trump. Desantis is the future for the Right in America.
The only lie about fraud is coming from the side that benefited, and continued to benefit, by engaging in fraud.
Trump and his supporters lie about fraud as a cope, when the reality is that Trump is a loser.
Lets talk about fraud. There are a bunch of different things that fall under the umbrella of "voter fraud", some of which are more factual than others.
Things that there's actual evidence of:
Things that there's no evidence of:
Most of the Trump cope comes in the form of the latter accusations.
Cast vote records actually show the insertion of fake votes digitally.
https://rumble.com/v1h30h9-banned-election-fraud-exposed-lindell-cast-vote-records-8-23-22.html
In GA, for example, the Republican-controlled election officials did extensive investigations (hundreds) and found some small-scale voter fraud, but it was nowhere near enough to actually change the outcome of the election. It was maybe in the hundreds of votes, with no grand conspiracies, when trump needed in the tens of thousands.
they could easily put the fraud claim to death by a full forensic audit of the election.
the only reason they don't is because they know they'd be caught.
There have been many audits. Since the trumpers are liars whose goal is to de-legitimize the elections so that they don't have to admit trump is a loser, they will never accept any audit, and will always make some excuse.
Wrong. There was only one forensic audit and the results were buried.
Recounting fraudulent ballots isn't an audit.
Recounts are not audits.
174 Trump backed candidates won so far, 9 didn't (so far).
Yet you think Trump was the problem?
Fuck off, retard.
That's not a really accurate measurement. Trump backing a guy in an R+20 district is different to Trump backing a close race and winning.
Got a source for those numbers you just pulled out of your ass, retard?
All the high profile "Trump" candidates lost, and it cost Republicans the Senate, for a second time.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/trump-backed-174-winning-candidates-far-gop-elites-rinos-slam-president-trump-anyways/
Try not to be so retarded in the future.
Also, be a decent faggot and apologise for being such a lying faggot.
Surprise, surprise, the faggot didn't apologize.
This shit is why I'm convinced you're controlled opposition.
You try to make right-wing arguments, but your Neo-Liberalism narratives, mixed with your desire to create a combative Republican primary scream subversion.
Even fucking Ted Cruz can see the issue with Trump's funding was distributing the funds to the wrong races, not to "keeping it for himself". Moreover was the massive lack of funding he actually engaged in anyway.
When I trust Ted Cruz more than you, I don't trust you.
DeSantis is going to be the nominee in 2024. Trump is a loser. He lost against sleepy Joe Biden in 2024 because he alienated voters with his stupid tweets. Trump's hand-picked candidates almost all lost now in 2022, and they all consistently unperformed. The only shining beacon of hope for the Right was the utter blowout in Florida where formerly-close districts are now voting solid red by huge margins.
Democrats successfully used Trump as a weapon against Republicans even now in 2022, by making election deniers and loyalty oaths to Trump a big part of their closing argument for this election. Their argument was successful. The destruction of the red wave was because of (1) Trump stink turning off swing voters, and (2) Trump's sabotage of primaries to get shit tier "trumpy" candidates which were not electable.
As far as I'm concerned, people like you might as well be a Democrat psyop meant to destroy the Right by turning it into some kind of fascistic Authright shit that the Democrats full well know will alienate swing voters, dooming the right to permanent minority status.
You don't link a source, so why should I believe you or your characterization of Cruz? You're not an unbiased source, and I don't trust you. I looked up an actual source which discussed the real facts:
"Trump has certainly been hoarding the money at the Save America PAC, sitting on about $100 million in cash and giving out relatively little to fellow Republicans."
"Save America PAC, which Trump created after he lost the 2020 election, has spent about $36 million, according to OpenSecrets.org. It appears the money has been mostly spent on administrative expenses, attorney fees, salaries and on fundraising activities, such as web ads."
Trump famously recently did a "fundraiser" for Blake Masters, one of his hand picked candidates, which had a 99% Trump to 1% Masters split for donations.
Go ahead and cite to me any "wrong race" that Trump distributed a lot of money to while he sat on his $100 million dragon's hoard. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Yeah, confession through projection & DARVO
Anyway, the evidence we are actually seeing is that Trump needs to give more red meat to the base, rather than less, which is the opposite of most political strategy. Doing Right-Of-Center appeals is actually hurting the Republicans. The hard-core rightists had a relatively easy go of it so far, including DeSantis in the first place. JD Vance's success is another.
You're obviously a Leftist. Literally no fascists ran. Literally no authoritarian right ran.
You're honestly mentally ill and in need of meds.
You voted for a Democrat, because of "adequate physiognomy". I would never vote for a Democrat. You also lobby against voting straight ticket Republican even though the US political system is a right/left dichotomy where democrat = left and republican = right.
The problem with this sub is that it has too many autists in it who don't know how to act like adults, you included.
Your comment that I'm replying to now is outside what I consider acceptable discourse. Too many personal attacks and schizo shit. So I'll be blocking you. Bye.
Never mind all of Desantis's anti-fraud measures that he and only a few other R's implemented.