Mao ended a chaotic period of warlordism and united the Chinese people. Despite some mistakes, he created the necessary culture and enviornment for China to have a shot at competing as a major power on the world stage. You may not like the way it was done, but you also don't appreciate that the Chinese people see themselves as a larger organism with no regard for the individual.
Che Guevara enabled Cuba, and helped several other countries, to define their own destiny free of western exploitation, particularly by a mafia run industry of vice. Even more importantly, he saved his people from the cultural acid that is liberalism.
Stalin purged all the violent psychopaths that had been placed into power by the revolution. It would have been insane to allow those people to run the country. He even reversed some of the cultural decay caused by the revolution. His greatest achievement was rallying his people to defeat an existensial threat to the motherland.
Xi is doing a great job of caring for his people. He has not only repelled all attempts at western subversion, but has captured the elite of rival powers. The Han have never been in a more powerful position.
Oh, so that's why he refuses to do anything about China's aging population, water problems, and housing speculation? China is a paper mansion on a house of sand and Xi's bloviating does nothing to solve the main issues of his country.
He has not only repelled all attempts at western subversion
Only because he's been actively subverting the West with rampant drug smuggling while using Western property to launder money.
As always, the important question is, "compared to what?"
Oh, so that's why he refuses to do anything about China's aging population
Would you prefer he does the Canadian solution by suiciding them all? Every country has a demographic problem of some sort. At least Xi isn't intentionally mutilating the next generation and trying to replace his people with foreigners.
water problems
How's that American southwest doing again? Xi is playing his hand as best he can to secure resources for his people, which is quite an accomplishment considering Europe is made of coal and about to freeze.
housing speculation
Throwing stones in a glass house.
Only because he's been actively subverting the West with rampant drug smuggling while using Western property to launder money.
Sure. First you have to understand who Marx was writing to. Europe had a much more rigid class structure. It can be best described as tri-part: those who work, those who fight, those who pray. The rise of the merchant class through the industrial revolution had disrupted the old relationship, where the warrior class was paternalistic towards the peasant and trades classes. Part of this disruption was the rise a new class, the proletariat, which was a psuedo-mechanical workforce that doesn't exist in the west anymore. Marx was trying to restore a noblesse oblige that would allow the increasingly debased proles to find a renewed sense of meaning in their lives.
Most of his critiques were highly reactionary and not too distant from those of Carlyle. The quiet quitting phenomenon is precisely due to the alienation of the people from their labor. No one derives meaning from developing or selling a digital platform to manage deliverables.
As for Marx's predictions of the future, he was almost entirely correct, as across the modern world the people own the means of production that are managed by a dictatorship of proletarianized elites.
On a slight tangent, nothing in Marx's economic descriptions can't be found in Adam Smith.
Spez: As for your dismissal of commie accomplishments, what is the alternative? Would it be better for China to be embroiled in massive and bloody feuds? For Cuba to continue as a degenerate mafia run vice state similar to Colombia? For violent psychopaths to control every level of Russian society or live under German occupation? For China to succumb to feminism and sodomy?
Before the communist uprising, they weren't having that many problems. But authoritarians do love authoritarians. China still has massive problems with people not happy with the communist utopia.
In the wake of WW1 there was a serious threat of Soviet backed communist uprisings throughout Europe. The Biennio Rosso almost destroyed Italy until Mussolini saved the day. Bavaria had a close call with Rosa Luxembourg. The German people were rightly terrified. In 1933 the Holodomor was in full swing, and Germans who had been invited to work the land in Ukraine wrote back to their distant cousins that the judeo-Bolsheviks were starving them. That was the final straw needed to propel Hitler to power.
The Fuhrer put an end to the child prostitutes and had bonfires for child porn, both of which were largely the result of Jewish influences. By wretching German monetary policy from the control of Jewish bankers, he was to able to recover the German economy from the effects of Versailles.
Intervening in neighboring countries was completely justified. Czechoslovakia was treating Germans in their territory unfairly and the border areas were majority German. With the British guaranteeing them, Polish communists were emboldened to murder and torture Germans in lands that had been cruelly ripped from the Fatherland after WW1. The Soviet army was very explicitly an offensive force. Both Poland and Finland had learned twice that Russians massing on the border would soon surge across without warning. Attacking first was the only hope for the survival of the German people.
Hitler's biggest mistake was misjudging Churchill and Roosevelt's lust to obliterate the European continent with a second world war.
Actually all of them fall under the simple premise of the many supporting the important few. Whether or not you despise the ideology doesn’t stop it from existing today in the USA, in fact it is currently the largest premise of life here. Then again this was always the end result of communism.
Defend Mao, Guevara, Stalin and Xi.
That's easy.
Mao ended a chaotic period of warlordism and united the Chinese people. Despite some mistakes, he created the necessary culture and enviornment for China to have a shot at competing as a major power on the world stage. You may not like the way it was done, but you also don't appreciate that the Chinese people see themselves as a larger organism with no regard for the individual.
Che Guevara enabled Cuba, and helped several other countries, to define their own destiny free of western exploitation, particularly by a mafia run industry of vice. Even more importantly, he saved his people from the cultural acid that is liberalism.
Stalin purged all the violent psychopaths that had been placed into power by the revolution. It would have been insane to allow those people to run the country. He even reversed some of the cultural decay caused by the revolution. His greatest achievement was rallying his people to defeat an existensial threat to the motherland.
Xi is doing a great job of caring for his people. He has not only repelled all attempts at western subversion, but has captured the elite of rival powers. The Han have never been in a more powerful position.
o7 mega based!
If Mao had better ideology and economic policy he would have been great.
It takes a strong man to unite a country, too bad he untied it around really shitty ideas which led to famine.
Oh, so that's why he refuses to do anything about China's aging population, water problems, and housing speculation? China is a paper mansion on a house of sand and Xi's bloviating does nothing to solve the main issues of his country.
Only because he's been actively subverting the West with rampant drug smuggling while using Western property to launder money.
As always, the important question is, "compared to what?"
Would you prefer he does the Canadian solution by suiciding them all? Every country has a demographic problem of some sort. At least Xi isn't intentionally mutilating the next generation and trying to replace his people with foreigners.
How's that American southwest doing again? Xi is playing his hand as best he can to secure resources for his people, which is quite an accomplishment considering Europe is made of coal and about to freeze.
Throwing stones in a glass house.
The revenge for the opium wars is going great.
That is a large amount of propaganda.
Mao sure did unify China with killing the chinese...
Che Guevara sure did fight western exploitation by exploiting and killing people.
Stalin sure cleaned up the violent psychopaths he didn't like by being a violent psychopath himself.
Xi is doing an amazing job in persecuting his people.
In summary, you may as well defend Marx too.
Sure. First you have to understand who Marx was writing to. Europe had a much more rigid class structure. It can be best described as tri-part: those who work, those who fight, those who pray. The rise of the merchant class through the industrial revolution had disrupted the old relationship, where the warrior class was paternalistic towards the peasant and trades classes. Part of this disruption was the rise a new class, the proletariat, which was a psuedo-mechanical workforce that doesn't exist in the west anymore. Marx was trying to restore a noblesse oblige that would allow the increasingly debased proles to find a renewed sense of meaning in their lives.
Most of his critiques were highly reactionary and not too distant from those of Carlyle. The quiet quitting phenomenon is precisely due to the alienation of the people from their labor. No one derives meaning from developing or selling a digital platform to manage deliverables.
As for Marx's predictions of the future, he was almost entirely correct, as across the modern world the people own the means of production that are managed by a dictatorship of proletarianized elites.
On a slight tangent, nothing in Marx's economic descriptions can't be found in Adam Smith.
Spez: As for your dismissal of commie accomplishments, what is the alternative? Would it be better for China to be embroiled in massive and bloody feuds? For Cuba to continue as a degenerate mafia run vice state similar to Colombia? For violent psychopaths to control every level of Russian society or live under German occupation? For China to succumb to feminism and sodomy?
China would have been better off if the nationalists won and the whole place was run like Taiwan.
Before the communist uprising, they weren't having that many problems. But authoritarians do love authoritarians. China still has massive problems with people not happy with the communist utopia.
Why do lefists all defend leftists?
I am a capitalist. I view socialism and leftists like yourself as the enemy.
Do the neonazis know you like Marx?
Now defend Israel, Soros, Netanyahu and Golda Meir.
You're a born spin doctor.
Now do Hitler!
In the wake of WW1 there was a serious threat of Soviet backed communist uprisings throughout Europe. The Biennio Rosso almost destroyed Italy until Mussolini saved the day. Bavaria had a close call with Rosa Luxembourg. The German people were rightly terrified. In 1933 the Holodomor was in full swing, and Germans who had been invited to work the land in Ukraine wrote back to their distant cousins that the judeo-Bolsheviks were starving them. That was the final straw needed to propel Hitler to power.
The Fuhrer put an end to the child prostitutes and had bonfires for child porn, both of which were largely the result of Jewish influences. By wretching German monetary policy from the control of Jewish bankers, he was to able to recover the German economy from the effects of Versailles.
Intervening in neighboring countries was completely justified. Czechoslovakia was treating Germans in their territory unfairly and the border areas were majority German. With the British guaranteeing them, Polish communists were emboldened to murder and torture Germans in lands that had been cruelly ripped from the Fatherland after WW1. The Soviet army was very explicitly an offensive force. Both Poland and Finland had learned twice that Russians massing on the border would soon surge across without warning. Attacking first was the only hope for the survival of the German people.
Hitler's biggest mistake was misjudging Churchill and Roosevelt's lust to obliterate the European continent with a second world war.
Brilliant!
You have a fine talent for steel-manning (a stupid term) rebuttals to arguments so well-worn they might as well be on stone tablets.
Actually all of them fall under the simple premise of the many supporting the important few. Whether or not you despise the ideology doesn’t stop it from existing today in the USA, in fact it is currently the largest premise of life here. Then again this was always the end result of communism.
Defend Israel now.
That only a dumb person defends Hitler. (and Stalin, Mao, Xi etc)
Because for that, they must be fond or like them in some way.