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– MaverickBoobies -12 points 2 years ago +3 / -15

That is a large amount of propaganda.

Mao sure did unify China with killing the chinese...

Che Guevara sure did fight western exploitation by exploiting and killing people.

Stalin sure cleaned up the violent psychopaths he didn't like by being a violent psychopath himself.

Xi is doing an amazing job in persecuting his people.

In summary, you may as well defend Marx too.

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– TentElephant 17 points 2 years ago +18 / -1

In summary, you may as well defend Marx too.

Sure. First you have to understand who Marx was writing to. Europe had a much more rigid class structure. It can be best described as tri-part: those who work, those who fight, those who pray. The rise of the merchant class through the industrial revolution had disrupted the old relationship, where the warrior class was paternalistic towards the peasant and trades classes. Part of this disruption was the rise a new class, the proletariat, which was a psuedo-mechanical workforce that doesn't exist in the west anymore. Marx was trying to restore a noblesse oblige that would allow the increasingly debased proles to find a renewed sense of meaning in their lives.

Most of his critiques were highly reactionary and not too distant from those of Carlyle. The quiet quitting phenomenon is precisely due to the alienation of the people from their labor. No one derives meaning from developing or selling a digital platform to manage deliverables.

As for Marx's predictions of the future, he was almost entirely correct, as across the modern world the people own the means of production that are managed by a dictatorship of proletarianized elites.

On a slight tangent, nothing in Marx's economic descriptions can't be found in Adam Smith.

Spez: As for your dismissal of commie accomplishments, what is the alternative? Would it be better for China to be embroiled in massive and bloody feuds? For Cuba to continue as a degenerate mafia run vice state similar to Colombia? For violent psychopaths to control every level of Russian society or live under German occupation? For China to succumb to feminism and sodomy?

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– when_we_win_remember 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

China would have been better off if the nationalists won and the whole place was run like Taiwan.

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– TentElephant 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

I don't disagree, although this was an excercise in defending the reds. China may have even better off under Imperial Japan, but that is an entirely different conversation.

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– MaverickBoobies -4 points 2 years ago +3 / -7

Before the communist uprising, they weren't having that many problems. But authoritarians do love authoritarians. China still has massive problems with people not happy with the communist utopia.

Why do lefists all defend leftists?

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– TentElephant 11 points 2 years ago +12 / -1

There is no such thing as a non-authoritarian politics. That is a silly rhetorical trick so that any opposition will voluntarily disarm politcally. Even the most radical ancap wants to enforce their will on those around them to create ancapistan, and, if they don't, they won't be able maintain acapistan.

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– deleted 9 points 2 years ago +12 / -3
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– MaverickBoobies -7 points 2 years ago +3 / -10

I am a capitalist. I view socialism and leftists like yourself as the enemy.

Do the neonazis know you like Marx?

Now defend Israel, Soros, Netanyahu and Golda Meir.

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– deleted 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0
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– MaverickBoobies -2 points 2 years ago +2 / -4

You could not defend Israel and Soros. Thus proving the point I made, only authoritarians can defend authoritarianism, and you could not defend Israel. Because you defended authoritarians, but can not defend or say anything good about a civilized and decent country like Israel. This speaks volumes about who you are as a person.

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